The Dark Knight What should happen to the Rachael character?

[El Payaso]

Run over by the Tumbler

HAHAHAH. Brilliant.

 

[captain_jimbo]

Maybe she sees an old episode of Dawson's Creek and dies of boredom!

 

[Cake]

The Joker should kill Rachel in an incredibly cruel and emotional scene.

That'd be a total bummer. Such a predictable/not original act. The villain kills the love interest in order to create conflict with the hero.... repeating the same story we have seen so many times already. I hope Jonathan and Chris decide to go with a more creative route.

I say don't kill Rachel. Let her romance with Bruce grows... let's have a continuity. Why not a real heroine and a real romance? That would make this sequel a lot different from the other batman movies.

 

[COMPO]

That'd be a total bummer. Such a predictable/not original act. The villain kills the love interest in order to create conflict with the hero.... repeating the same story we have seen so many times already. I hope Jonathan and Chris decide to go with a more creative route.

I say don't kill Rachel. Let her romance with Bruce grows... let's have a continuity. Why not a real heroine and a real romance? That would make this sequel a lot different from the other batman movies.

Have her get tortured by the Joker into insanity, my friend. That's creative. And it would show a sinister side of Joker.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I say don't kill Rachel. Let her romance with Bruce grows... let's have a continuity. Why not a real heroine and a real romance? That would make this sequel a lot different from the other batman movies.

In what other Batman movie was the love interest killed by the villain? Sure, they've been taken hostage or whatever, but never actually murdered.

 

[COMPO]

In what other Batman movie was the love interest killed by the villain? Sure, they've been taken hostage or whatever, but never actually murdered.

I think it means giving him a serious relationship. That's never been done in films before.

 

[Abaddon]

I liked Rachel.

 

[Abaddon]

That'd be a total bummer. Such a predictable/not original act. The villain kills the love interest in order to create conflict with the hero.... repeating the same story we have seen so many times already. I hope Jonathan and Chris decide to go with a more creative route.

I say don't kill Rachel. Let her romance with Bruce grows... let's have a continuity. Why not a real heroine and a real romance? That would make this sequel a lot different from the other batman movies.

Continuity would be not having them be together.She already said in her last scene that he's no longer the man she loved.

 

[I am Batman]

I think they should say that she took a Head DA position in Metropolis. This way they mention the existence of Metropolis and it allows Harvey Dent to take up the empty position.

 

[Cake]

Have her get tortured by the Joker into insanity, my friend. That's creative. And it would show a sinister side of Joker.

So creative and different that it was the first idea everyone came up with.

 

[Katsuro]

The one thing that's turned me against Joker killing Rachel is the fact that we've all talked about it so much. We're all expecting it, so now I dont really want it. Just write her out, it's so simple. It's not like B'89 or Batman Forever where him and the love interest seemed like like they were gonna be together, then in the next movie they're forgotten. This one has an excuse to leave. She's obviously not gonna have a relationship with Bruce, so write her our as transferring to Metropolis, Bludhaven, or Coast City.

Then bring in Selina Kyle as the love interesting in the next film, and have her carry over to the third film where she becomes Catwoman (maybe have hints of her existence in the second film, but Batman never meets her).

 

[COMPO]

So creative and different that it was the first idea everyone came up with.

Yeah, by me. I've been staying this idea for months now

 

[Katsuro]

Yeah, by me. I've been staying this idea for months now

Trust me. you arne't the first person to suggest the death/torture/rape/urination on of Rachel by the Joker.

 

[COMPO]

Whoa, there i just meant you know electrocute her and cut her a bit. I didn't mean piss on her and rape her.

 

[Katsuro]

Whoa, there i just meant you know electrocute her and cut her a bit. I didn't mean piss on her and rape her.

I know you didn't, but I was just pointing out all the multitude of things crazy people have suggested.

 

[COMPO]

Are you call me crazy? It's not my fault. It's the elves they tell me top start fires. LOL

 

[Cake]

Just write her out, it's so simple. It's not like B'89 or Batman Forever where him and the love interest seemed like like they were gonna be together, then in the next movie they're forgotten. This one has an excuse to leave. She's obviously not gonna have a relationship with Bruce, so write her our as transferring to Metropolis, Bludhaven, or Coast City.

I strongly disagree with you. I got the feeling of hope, not end, by Rachel's lastest words. She does use the words "maybe... someday", not "I dont wanna see you ever again". She's not saying goodbye IMO, she's waiting for Bruce to go after her (like she did for him). She's waiting to see that even though we have Batman now, we still have a man underneath. It's a similar situation to what happened with Peter and Mary Jane in Spider-man 1.

And I believe people do root for continuity. It's tiresome to see Batman gettting a different and unmeaning love interest for every movie. He's not Bond. Why can't he have for once a real connection with life and love? That would make him even more appealing and human IMO.

Then bring in Selina Kyle as the love interesting in the next film, and have her carry over to the third film where she becomes Catwoman (maybe have hints of her existence in the second film, but Batman never meets her).

I wouldn't risk so much. Most people still repulse the simple idea of having Catwoman on screen again. And I doubt that would change much until Batman 3.

 

[Katsuro]

I strongly disagree with you. I got the feeling of hope, not end, by Rachel's lastest words. She does use the words "maybe... someday", not "I dont wanna see you ever again". She's not saying goodbye IMO, she's waiting for Bruce to go after her (like she did for him). She's waiting to see that even though we have Batman now, we still have a man underneath. It's a similar situation to what happened with Peter and Mary Jane in Spider-man 1.

But I just dont see what she would do in the meantime. Her character ins't interesting to be anything but the love interest. Even if she and Bruce will eventually get back together, it wont be for a long, long time. Her character is rather useless, not to mention many people dind't like her.

I wouldn't risk so much. Most people still repulse the simple idea of having Catwoman on screen again. And I doubt that would change much until Batman 3.

See, us comic fans always think that, because we remember that nightmare that was Halle's Catwoman. What we forget, is that we're the only people who care about or remember that movie. No one saw that movie, and no one remembers it. I'm sure when people think of Catwoman even today, they think of Michelle Pfeiffer sooner than they think of Halle Berry. Hell, I'll bet they think of Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt, and Lee Meriwether before they think of Halle Berry.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I strongly disagree with you. I got the feeling of hope, not end, by Rachel's lastest words. She does use the words "maybe... someday", not "I dont wanna see you ever again". She's not saying goodbye IMO, she's waiting for Bruce to go after her (like she did for him). She's waiting to see that even though we have Batman now, we still have a man underneath. It's a similar situation to what happened with Peter and Mary Jane in Spider-man 1.

And I believe people do root for continuity. It's tiresome to see Batman gettting a different and unmeaning love interest for every movie. He's not Bond. Why can't he have for once a real connection with life and love? That would make him even more appealing and human IMO.

I wouldn't mind it so much in this instance, but Rachel was a made up character. I'd like to see a love interest from the comics (Selina Kyle or even Talia al Ghul).

 

[Two-Face]

I strongly disagree with you. I got the feeling of hope, not end, by Rachel's lastest words. She does use the words "maybe... someday", not "I dont wanna see you ever again". She's not saying goodbye IMO, she's waiting for Bruce to go after her (like she did for him). She's waiting to see that even though we have Batman now, we still have a man underneath. It's a similar situation to what happened with Peter and Mary Jane in Spider-man 1.

And I believe people do root for continuity. It's tiresome to see Batman gettting a different and unmeaning love interest for every movie. He's not Bond. Why can't he have for once a real connection with life and love? That would make him even more appealing and human IMO.



I wouldn't risk so much. Most people still repulse the simple idea of having Catwoman on screen again. And I doubt that would change much until Batman 3.

She said she may find Bruce again the man she knew and loved when Gotham no longer needs Batman, Gotham always will need Batman.

 

[Thot]

Hold on a minute ya'll! In the final scene with Rachel and Bruce she laments that he's not the guy she once knew and that she hopes to see "him" the way he was again. This doesn't mean she doesn't want a romantic relationship with him. Indeed, the scene immediately after that one shows them walking hand in hand! Something they wouldn't be doing if she had just told him "no deal" til he becomes "old Bruce" again. The impression I got was that the romantic relationship has officially begun, but that it will be a strained one.

 

[Cake]

Her character is rather useless, not to mention many people dind't like her.

Rachel does serve for a different purpose than the usual love interest from previous movies. She's his moral voice, his dear friend, his link with real world. Rachel (along with Alfred) reminds Bruce his humanity and through her we see the soul and heart of Batman. We can't have a Batman without Bruce. We need to understand his motivations and his world, in order to care for him and his story. The audience needs to know there's a human behind the mask. That's one of the reasons Rachel is there.

I wouldn't say "many people didn't like her". Most people I've talked liked her character a lot (specially how she's not stereotyped). From what I've read around most people are waiting for her return. According to BOF, there's even a "RD Campaign" launched:

From the BatmanOnFilm.com mailbag Q and A: -Im launching a 'Rachel Dawes campaign' to bring back actress Katie Holmes. It will break my heart and many hearts if Rachel is just written out of the sequel or murdered too quickly - Richard G.

See, us comic fans always think that, because we remember that nightmare that was Halle's Catwoman. What we forget, is that we're the only people who care about or remember that movie. No one saw that movie, and no one remembers it.

Rather contradictory, no? If "no one saw that movie" what would comic fans worry about then?

She said she may find Bruce again the man she knew and loved when Gotham no longer needs Batman, Gotham always will need Batman.

Actually those are Rachel's exactly words: "But maybe he's still out there, somewhere. Maybe one day, when Gotham no longer needs Batman, I'll see him again."

Will Gotham needs batman all the time? Bruce will no longer exist? No real life for Bruce?

 

[Batman]

...Well, considering he doesn't really have a real, true non-Batman life in the comics...

 

[Katsuro]

Rather contradictory, no? If "no one saw that movie" what would comic fans worry about then?

I guess that's the point, they shouldn't be worrying. Comic fans all saw Catwoman and remembered it because it ruined a character they're familiar with and like in the comics. The general public doesn't really give a damn that she was treated so poorly, and probably can't even tell the difference. It didn't stick with them as a mocking of a good comic character like it does us, to them it's just some crap they didn't see because the trailers looked dumb. So comic fans just need to remember that they're the only ones who remember that movie, and stop worrying about people being turned off by the idea of Catwoman in a Batman movie.

 

[Dark Knight]

That'd be a total bummer. Such a predictable/not original act. The villain kills the love interest in order to create conflict with the hero.... repeating the same story we have seen so many times already. I hope Jonathan and Chris decide to go with a more creative route.

I say don't kill Rachel. Let her romance with Bruce grows... let's have a continuity. Why not a real heroine and a real romance? That would make this sequel a lot different from the other batman movies.

Horrible idea to let Rachel and Brcue develop there relationship?? What a waste of screentime for such an insignificant character. Rachel should die...or leave Gotham.