What should marvel do to the Ultimate Universe?

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IGN created an article about the current status of the Ultimate line, which they say is in the brink of extinction. They also stated some suggestions that could be done.Let's see what you guys think should be really done to this alternate universe.
 
Brink of extinction? Are you freakin' kidding me? The Ultimate books are practically my only grain of comfort to be had in these dark times at Marvel, what with 616 totally sucking up their characters and mythos beyond all belief and recognition.
 
Brink of extinction? Are you freakin' kidding me? The Ultimate books are practically my only grain of comfort to be had in these dark times at Marvel, what with 616 totally sucking up their characters and mythos beyond all belief and recognition.

Hey i'm just basing this on the IGN article which has its own thread now. I actually like the ultimate line too. My solution though is to just always put the A-list creative teams on the books, and maybe add some new and significant books for the line.
 
I think the concept of rebooting it every 10 years definitely has merits.
 
I think the concept of rebooting it every 10 years definitely has merits.
I actually don't like it. I probably won't even be reading comics in 10 years, but if I am, I want the SAME USM that I know and love.
 
I actually don't like it. I probably won't even be reading comics in 10 years, but if I am, I want the SAME USM that I know and love.

Well, I can't speak on that, but from a business perspective reboots every decade make sense.
 
Change/improve the creative teams. Also, get all of the books coming out on a CONSISTENT and REGULAR BASIS!!!

There are so many storylines that could be explored as well. Keep things fresh and different from 616.
 
Get rid of the "realistic" storytellin'. It's boring and flat.
 
Isn't the whole point of Ultimate, is that it doesn't need to rely on long-term readers, that it is accessible to people who want to read comics without having to wade through continuity.
 
Isn't the whole point of Ultimate, is that it doesn't need to rely on long-term readers, that it is accessible to people who want to read comics without having to wade through continuity.
It may have started that way, but it was a foolish assumption to believe that it could stay that way. Now, more than ever, the Ultimate Universe has become a place to change/improve the older stories so that they are more accessible to modern readers. That way Spider-Man doesn't jump around shouting "Gee Willikers!" when he is fighting someone. It's just a way to take stories that are cherished, yet also dated, and making them more believable for today's readers.

That's part of the reason that characters like the Green Goblin got changed so much. I know that in many people's eyes, the Ult. GG is horrendous. But I think the design makes a lot of sense. People don't run around in tights anymore (not that they ever did), and it just makes sense that villains no longer act that way. "Well, look at that. I have superpowers! Here's an idea, why don't I go make a spandex suit and try to take over the world!"

Adding to that idea is that a lot of villains go unnamed in the comics. Carnage and Hobgoblin are never called by those names. Why? Because no one in today's world would realistically think, "Well, now that I have the powers and the spandex, I need to come up with a name for myself!"
 
There's things that have been improved upon and things that haven't in the Ultimate U. Probably the worst thing was killing Gwen Stacy off prematurely.
 
Of those choices, changing the creative teams would be best. And while the Ultimate line has kind of outlived its purpose, it's still an alternative to 616 Marvel if that's what some fans are looking for.
 
They should have a Crisis (so to speak) and amalgamate all of the universes into one. Get rid of 616 Spider-man and bring in Ultimate spidey, get rid of Ultimate Green Goblin and keep 616 Gobby. Take some AoA Characters, bring in a couple from Earth X, Keep Plenty of 616 and some select Ultimate, Bring Panther over from the Zombies Universe.

And reboot the untire Marvel U







I am so incredibly kidding.
 
Of those choices, changing the creative teams would be best. And while the Ultimate line has kind of outlived its purpose, it's still an alternative to 616 Marvel if that's what some fans are looking for.
Exactly. True, it has outlived the reason that Marvel started it. But that doesn't make it obsolete. Now it's just a place to go for an alternative.
 
It was a toss-up between the first two options. I went with the new creative teams even though another X-Men book is needed for Emma's school :o
 
86 the ultimate line ASAP
 
keep both sides of the universe. let 616 do whatever the hell they want to do, rape, murder, hulkanate all of their characters, but keep the ultimates alive, because they remind us of what the marvel line up used to be.
 
keep both sides of the universe. let 616 do whatever the hell they want to do, rape, murder, hulkanate all of their characters, but keep the ultimates alive, because they remind us of what the marvel line up used to be.


Agreed.

Quoted for truth.
 
Axe it all together. Most of the Ultimate counter parts either suck ass or are complete *****es.
 
That way Spider-Man doesn't jump around shouting "Gee Willikers!" when he is fighting someone. It's just a way to take stories that are cherished, yet also dated, and making them more believable for today's readers.

I don't think Spidey ever said Gee Willikers. Although I think he called Chameleon a dirty Communist once. ;)

Anyway, I understand what you're saying. Most readers aren't going to be able to deal with the way comics used to be written, plus a lot of the silliness that they suffered through.

Still, I mean, imagine try explaining the Ultimate universe to somebody.

Cable's actually a Wolverine from the future without his healing ability.

Spider-Woman is a female clone of Spider-Man.

Dr. Doom has goat-legs.

A lot of these things are just as silly as the stuff that's in the regular 616 universe.

In the beginning, the Ultimate was I'll grant you, a more realistic Marvel universe, but that's just not the case anymore.

That's part of the reason that characters like the Green Goblin got changed so much. I know that in many people's eyes, the Ult. GG is horrendous. But I think the design makes a lot of sense. People don't run around in tights anymore (not that they ever did), and it just makes sense that villains no longer act that way. "Well, look at that. I have superpowers! Here's an idea, why don't I go make a spandex suit and try to take over the world!"

Not to digress too much, but I think the reason Ult. GG failed was that they turned him into a completely super powered monstrosity when the concept of the Green Goblin has always been a gadget-villain, plus his glider and pumpkin bombs are iconic and doing away with that hurts the visual appeal of the character.

I think Raimi's approach was good. Not in a Halloween costume, but still very recognizable as the Green Goblin.

Adding to that idea is that a lot of villains go unnamed in the comics. Carnage and Hobgoblin are never called by those names. Why? Because no one in today's world would realistically think, "Well, now that I have the powers and the spandex, I need to come up with a name for myself!"

Again, I think Raimi did a great job, modernizing this, more so than Bendis, with Jameson naming the villains.
 
The Ultimate Universe is supposed to be different. The biggest thing I think it's guilty of doing right now it mimicing some 616 stories. Different means different!

Scott doesn't HAVE to be with Jean
Doom and Reed don't have to hate each other
Spidey and MJ don't have to be together

etc...
 
^^

Well, originally, the Ultimate universe was designed to be for new readers to read about Marvel without all that continuity to worry about so obviously while they tried to do some things different they were trying to keep the essence of the Spider-Man/X-Men/Fantastic Four/Avengers mythos intact.

What you're describing would be more in the vein of an Elseworlds type thing.
 

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