Homecoming What should they do with the Spidey franchise? - Part 2

[Dark Raven]

Definitely think that's the way to do it though. Get some teen actor, like an actual 18 year old kid to play Parker in Netflix and crossover with DD. Then have the adult Spiderman in the event films. I mean look at what Gotham is doing for Fox. The continuity doesn't have to be exact either. Both the film medium and TV show would be self contained, separated by at least 5-8 years or so.

I don't want two different Spider-Men running around within supposedly the same continuity. Definitely don't want it self-contained like Gotham or Arrow/Flash. If Marvel gets Spider-Man, it should be the same one in BOTH a Netflix series and on the big screen, in the same way that it was the same Mulder and Scully on the big screen between seasons of the X-Files.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I agree.

Just pretty much turn Spider-Man into a Smallville-style show by adapting the Ultimate Spider-Man comics with Brian Bendis serving as head writer.

Also, is anyone here jumping for joy at the new rumour that Kevin Feige wants Avi Arad out?

The ending to Spider-Man 2 was like an episode of Smallville. No surprise since two Smallville writers wrote it

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Peters apartment was basically the barn in smallville

 

[Moridin]

I don't want two different Spider-Men running around within supposedly the same continuity. Definitely don't want it self-contained like Gotham or Arrow/Flash. If Marvel gets Spider-Man, it should be the same one in BOTH a Netflix series and on the big screen, in the same way that it was the same Mulder and Scully on the big screen between seasons of the X-Files.

The Netflix shows are set in the MCU, albeit apparently darker. So if Marvel got Spidey and wanted to use him in both Netflix & big screen it'd be the same actor.

 

[Dark Raven]

The Netflix shows are set in the MCU, albeit apparently darker. So if Marvel got Spidey and wanted to use him in both Netflix & big screen it'd be the same actor.

Yes, as it should be. But that's not what Mr. M was suggesting. He wanted 2 different Spider-Man actors: one in the Netflix series who is a teenager, and one in the movies who is an adult, in the same way that Gotham is a separate continuity to the big screen Batman (Ben Affleck) where Gotham has a child Bruce Wayne. I was arguing against that.

 

[Mr.M]

I don't want two different Spider-Men running around within supposedly the same continuity. Definitely don't want it self-contained like Gotham or Arrow/Flash. If Marvel gets Spider-Man, it should be the same one in BOTH a Netflix series and on the big screen, in the same way that it was the same Mulder and Scully on the big screen between seasons of the X-Files.

But those shows are owning the ratings in terms of fanboy viewing. Marvel wants a piece of that action. If they are launching DD, Cage, Defenders, they certainly have that intention. Spidey is the perfect way to boost interest in those series. You can also tell countless stories in his early days without telling that story again in a major tentpole film.

The reality is, I don't think Marvel wants to do solo Spidey films for a long time. The may have to because Sony demands it in the new deal. But it really doesn't make sense considering he hasn't had a great film since 2004 and has been in steady decline since.

Can they placate Sony with a TV deal and a slice of the pie for Spidey crossovers and MCU appearances? That's something I'd look at if I'm Feige.

 

[Moridin]

Yes, as it should be. But that's not what Mr. M was suggesting. He wanted 2 different Spider-Man actors: one in the Netflix series who is a teenager, and one in the movies who is an adult, in the same way that Gotham is a separate continuity to the big screen Batman (Ben Affleck) where Gotham has a child Bruce Wayne. I was arguing against that.

I was agreeing with you.

 

[WBwins]

Yes, as it should be. But that's not what Mr. M was suggesting. He wanted 2 different Spider-Man actors: one in the Netflix series who is a teenager, and one in the movies who is an adult, in the same way that Gotham is a separate continuity to the big screen Batman (Ben Affleck) where Gotham has a child Bruce Wayne. I was arguing against that.

Yeah it has to be the same actor for both the Netflix and movie series.

Id rather a Netflix TV series focus on Spidermans solo adventures,whilst the movie series concentrates on his adventures with the Defenders..



The Spiderman tv series would start in 2018.The Movie series in 2019(Beginnning of MCU phase 4)

 

[Mr.M]

Yeah it has to be the same actor for both the Netflix and movie series.

Id rather a Netflix TV series focus on Spidermans solo adventures,whilst the movie series concentrates on his adventures with the Defenders..



The Spiderman tv series would start in 2018.The Movie series in 2019(Beginnning of MCU phase 4)

It just depends on how much of a veteran Spiderman is going to be in the films. If he is going to be married, then it doesn't make sense to have a young 20's actor in there. They could introduce him in the TV series (cameo in CW) for sure, and that's what I would go for if I'm Marvel. Then I would give Sony distribution rights internationally for the ensemble event films. Another Spidey trilogy on film is too risky, even if we are talking 2019. It's basically another reboot five years later. I wouldn't want to guarantee Sony more than one or two solo films.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Spidey could be a Netflix TV series which doesn't have to last several seasons. It could be just a mini series, or even just one season long as part of an anthology series like True Detective where it could be a different hero each season. That would allow extensive development of Spidey and his villains without having to put out a trilogy, but then allow him to make the leap to the big screen for either special event movies (eg team ups or guest starring roles in other heroes' films) or one of his own films in phase 4.

 

[The Infernal]

A tv series could be good in some ways. You can delve more into characters each episode, have more villains and longer arcing stories. It would need the right cast & writers. However I'd be worried about the budget for a tv show hampering it.

 

[blake c]

The budget is my biggest concerned as well. I really don't want Spidey powered down or anything sacrificed.

 

[Dark Raven]

Don't the Netflix TV shows in general have a big budget akin to a movie? Also, DD is being approached as a 13-hour movie instead of a TV show. If Spidey is just created like a movie but in 13 parts, then it could work on Netflix but wouldn't have to be released in theatres unless Marvel suddenly felt the need to release it there as well or an abridged version at least.

 

[blake c]

Does anyone think maybe doing an animated t.v. show on Netflix would be a good idea? I feel like it could have the actors they intend to use for the movies doing voice over and be cheaper than live action

 

[Tymminator]

The budget is my biggest concerned as well. I really don't want Spidey powered down or anything sacrificed.

It doesn't have to be.

Spidey verses Kingpin, Chameleon, Tombstone, Tarantula, Mysterio or the Kangaroo for example can be done with definitely no super heavy SFX.

The supporting cast could be fleshed out and explorered and leave the movies for the bigger villians.

 

[blake c]

I'd prefer Mysterio to a movie of his own, but I'd defiantly love to see a series with Spidey vs. Kingpin and the mafia. Even introduce The Enforcers

 

[Dark Raven]

I see that a Netflix series could be like the Spectacular Spider-Man comic while the movies could be like the Amazing Spider-Man comic. Originally, the premise of each was that Amazing was more of an action comic while Spectacular dealt more with his personal life. There was, of course, some crossover, and they didn't always stick to that premise, but there was room for both as they each had a different focus.

A Spidey TV series could focus on fleshing him out more, show his life at college and the Daily Bugle and set him up as a thorn in the side of the Mafia and the Kingpin, and even show some of his romantic life. The movies can have Spidey taking on more super powered foes where it's more pure action thriller and less soap opera.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I see that a Netflix series could be like the Spectacular Spider-Man comic while the movies could be like the Amazing Spider-Man comic. Originally, the premise of each was that Amazing was more of an action comic while Spectacular dealt more with his personal life. There was, of course, some crossover, and they didn't always stick to that premise, but there was room for both as they each had a different focus.

A Spidey TV series could focus on fleshing him out more, show his life at college and the Daily Bugle and set him up as a thorn in the side of the Mafia and the Kingpin, and even show some of his romantic life. The movies can have Spidey taking on more super powered foes where it's more pure action thriller and less soap opera.

That could work. I'd love to see a Netflix series, perhaps 13 episodes per season. They could follow the formula of The Spectacular Spider-man cartoon. Get Joss Whedon, Jed Whedon, & Maurissa Tancharoen to handle it. It's the best way to flesh out Pete and his supporting cast. You can get as many villains as you can get into the show who wouldn't necessarily carry a movie. The movies could handle the events like The Sinister Six and The Night Gwen Stacy Died. Have him cross over with other Netflix series (using Kingpin is excellent). And Capt. America: Civil War would be an opportune way to introduce Spider-man into the MCU.

 

[WBwins]

It just depends on how much of a veteran Spiderman is going to be in the films. If he is going to be married, then it doesn't make sense to have a young 20's actor in there. They could introduce him in the TV series (cameo in CW) for sure, and that's what I would go for if I'm Marvel. Then I would give Sony distribution rights internationally for the ensemble event films. Another Spidey trilogy on film is too risky, even if we are talking 2019. It's basically another reboot five years later. I wouldn't want to guarantee Sony more than one or two solo films.

This is why I suggested that the Spiderman movie trilogy should be ensemble/event movies not straightup solos as they used to be.

The movie trilogy should be about Spiderman and The Defenders.

The tv show will show Spidermans Solo adventures.movie is about his teamup

Don't the Netflix TV shows in general have a big budget akin to a movie? Also, DD is being approached as a 13-hour movie instead of a TV show. If Spidey is just created like a movie but in 13 parts, then it could work on Netflix but wouldn't have to be released in theatres unless Marvel suddenly felt the need to release it there as well or an abridged version at least.

Correct.If Flash can be done on a measly CW budget,then Spiderman can definitely be done on a Netflix budget.

 

[harryoscop]

I hate the idea of a Netflix Spider-Man show! Marvel isn't going to give Spider-Man (their number one Superhero) a lame ass Netflix show! he isn't going to be joining the ranks of Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. he's going to be with Cap & Iron Man!

Basically what you guys want is a Spider-Man soap opera?

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I hate the idea of a Netflix Spider-Man show! Marvel isn't going to give Spider-Man (their number one Superhero) a lame ass Netflix show! he isn't going to be joining the ranks of Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. he's going to be with Cap & Iron Man!

Basically what you guys want is a Spider-Man soap opera?

...like the comic book.

 

[Mr.M]

Does anyone think maybe doing an animated t.v. show on Netflix would be a good idea? I feel like it could have the actors they intend to use for the movies doing voice over and be cheaper than live action

No... just no. We have had enough of those.

This is why I suggested that the Spiderman movie trilogy should be ensemble/event movies not straightup solos as they used to be.

The movie trilogy should be about Spiderman and The Defenders.

The tv show will show Spidermans Solo adventures.movie is about his teamup




Correct.If Flash can be done on a measly CW budget,then Spiderman can definitely be done on a Netflix budget.

I agree. The teen angst stuff is done and is fit only for weekly TV episodes. The episodic Spiderman needs to go. Event movies would be the following:

1. New Avengers.
2. Sinister 6
3. Kraven's Last Hunt (Basically TDKR of Spidey)

Also Defenders and Midnight Sons could be in play, but this would be an extension of New Avengers.

That's where the money lies. Not Spidey vs villain A/B/C featuring love interest A/B/C. Can't redo Gwen Stacy either. That would have to be a TV episode season finale if that. Those are the movies that should appear in the MCU featuring Spidey. Then I think he needs a separate TV show to get the 15-25 male demo (and yes... loser fanboys older than 25 that still watch CB series).

 

[harryoscop]

...like the comic book.

True, but I'd rather not sacrifice the SFX & CGI.

 

[Tymminator]

...like the comic book.

Exactly.

And again, in my happy world, it's not exclusive. There would be movies too and they would be there for the spectacle, the villians that need the cgi to look great and the major battles and team ups.

Superman has had TV shows and movies. They just were always their own thing and didn't tie to each other. What I want is where the series and the movies have that Marvel synergy where together they make a true Spider-verse.

And like others have said, I don't need a long ongoing one, just a mini-series or two that fleshes out Spidey's world.

For example, an episode that was based on "The boy who collected Spider-man" may not fit in a movie, but would be a DAMN great single episode....lots of stories like that would be great for a series.

 

[Visualiza]

I hate the idea of a Netflix Spider-Man show! Marvel isn't going to give Spider-Man (their number one Superhero) a lame ass Netflix show! he isn't going to be joining the ranks of Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. he's going to be with Cap & Iron Man!

Basically what you guys want is a Spider-Man soap opera?

Well, a soap opera is essentially what we've got with the TASM movies, so no...we don't want that.

 

[Dark Raven]

I hate the idea of a Netflix Spider-Man show! Marvel isn't going to give Spider-Man (their number one Superhero) a lame ass Netflix show! he isn't going to be joining the ranks of Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. he's going to be with Cap & Iron Man!

Basically what you guys want is a Spider-Man soap opera?

You don't want a "lame ass Netflix Spider-Man show" but you want a lame ass Fantastic Four in Name Only movie?

Netflix isn't lame ass anyway. It's not some CW-standard TV series but more like a movie on a movie budget.

And no, I don't want a Spider-Man soap opera (which is in fact what the comic is like anyway) but I do want to see character development with more space to breathe, which isn't possible in a 2 hour movie. And I didn't say ONLY a Netflix series but BOTH a series and movies, with each focusing on different aspects of the character.

It sounds more like you just want Ultimate Spider-Man and not the classic 616 Spider-Man anyway (which does have a focus on his personal life as well) since you're such an Ultimates fan.