Superman Returns What Singer needs to do for the sequel to make it a sucess.

[LostSon88]

To make the audience root for Superman, you need to show him get his face rubbed in the dirt. Sort of like the old Rocky movies.
Like the robbery scene in SR, where Superman is shot with the giant machine gun. To make it more interesting, have him show up in the nick of time, only to have the force of the bullets throw Superman back into a wall. And no bullet in the eye gimmick scene. What is he, God?

Interestingly enough, the ONE scene in Superman Returns that exemplifes that is arguably the best most powerful scene in the movie...the beatdown on NK. The ONE scene where everyone became emotinally involved, fanboy or not.

They need more moments like that in the sequel...a vunerable Superman.

 

[Dotten]

Interestingly enough, the ONE scene in Superman Returns that exemplifes that is arguably the best most powerful scene in the movie from the audience POV...the beatdown on NK.

They need more moments like that in the sequel...a vunerable Superman.

And that scene could have been even better if he was bloody and got even more beaten. It was powerfull to see him being dragged by the face.

It's like Superman II. The best part of that movie was not the fight with Zod. It was him being beaten by a hillbilly at the cafeteria. He was helpless, an was lying bleedy in the arms of Lois.

That's the kind of drama and intensity that makes a good movie. Superman being drunk and shooting peanutts in Superman III was awesome too. Basicly, showing his more vulnerable sides. Maybe make him fail. I've often thought that Superman The Movie may have been better of by him not spinning the world backwards and saving Lois.

She should have died there in his arms, for him to realise even he has limits. And then we could see him deal with it.

 

[LostSon88]

It makes Superman more relatable to the audience...and that is key.

And that is why Clark Kent is more widely accepted as the real person nowadays, as opposed to the movie continutity where he for the most part is merely a disguise.

 

[D-Bone]

And that scene could have been even better if he was bloody and got even more beaten. It was powerfull to see him being dragged by the face.

It's like Superman II. The best part of that movie was not the fight with Zod. It was him being beaten by a hillbilly at the cafeteria. He was helpless, an was lying bleedy in the arms of Lois.

That's the kind of drama and intensity that makes a good movie. Superman being drunk and shooting peanutts in Superman III was awesome too. Basicly, showing his more vulnerable sides. Maybe make him fail. I've often thought that Superman The Movie may have been better of by him not spinning the world backwards and saving Lois.

She should have died there in his arms, for him to realise even he has limits. And then we could see him deal with it.

If, if, if there's a sequel, there's any easy way to do that by just using some Superman universe history and changing it just a little:
introduce Red Kryptonite at the beginning of the movie.
Superman loses his powers. Super-villains are on the loose. Slowly, scene by scene Superman gets his powers back, a little at a time.
First his strength increases, but since he can't fly or do anything else, he gets beaten down by the villain.
Then his speed starts coming back, and so on and so forth.
For the climactic finale, to have the audience on its feet, cheering, Superman gets his power of flight back and beats the villain.
Now THAT'S storytelling.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Doesn't Red K reverse his emotions and personality? Or is that Black K?

 

[LostSon88]

Red K lowers his inhibitions and kinda just turns him into a laid back MOS who does what the f*** he wants...basically what a human would do with superhuman powers.

Black K literally spilts him in half thus creating an good and evil version of himself.

 

[D-Bone]

But that's what I mean, they could mess around with the Superman mythos a bit, as long as the filmmakers could make it interesting. It isn't exactly heresy to the fans if you change the effects of the different colored Kryptonites.
Because, does that really matter? It doesn't really change the character at all.
It just increases the conflict, which is a good thing.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Honestly, there's so many colored K......they could switch em up (except green) and nobody would care.

 

[PSU442]

They need more moments like that in the sequel...a vunerable Superman.

agreed.... and, IMO, another reason Jason's character was created. Superman has his weakness, even more so than his love for Lois. If Zod does return (which I'm hoping against) how do you think he'll react to the news of Jor-El's grandkid?????

 

[PSU442]

ha... no more colored K..... just bring on the big-boys. My hope... Braniac and the city of Kandor for the sequel. Maybe a reference to S2 with Braniac laughing at Superman's troubles with Zod.

 

[Super Flight]

To make it succeed... get the guy who plays clark on Smallville to play superman then it will make a lot of money

 

[D-Bone]

To make it succeed... get the guy who plays clark on Smallville to play superman then it will make a lot of money

Nah. WB could re-use Routh; he was actually one of the bright spots of a decent but flawed movie.

Movies have always been about story, and always will be.
Story, story, story.
Tell a good story and you'll get a good response.
Tell a mediocre story and you'll get mediocre results.

There isn't a thing audiences enjoy more then when they walk out of a theater having watched anything from Superman, POTC, The Godfather, or Schindler's List, and say, "Geez, that was awesome. What a great story. I loved the part when..."

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

What does Singer need to do IF there is a sequel?

Step down and give someone else a crack at it....

 

[PSU442]

maybe if Singer sells his soul to the devil (like bruckheimer) the next Superman movie will set box-office records.

 

[Galactical]

What does Singer need to do IF there is a sequel?

Step down and give someone else a crack at it....

Sky captain agrees.

I'd love to see a sky captain style supes movie. My life would be absolutely completed once that ever happened. Because these guy captured my childhood perfectly with this movie. while watching it I just wished superman would fly out and punch a robot to save the lois-like character, but it was bloody jude law doing the saving instead. You could just feel it, these guy wanted to make a superman movie done in the fleischer style but had to use some other flying hero they just invented. OH I'd love for them to have the chance now...

 

[LostSon88]

Considering the box office "success" of Sky Captain, I doubt that's ever gonna happen...

 

[Galactical]

Considering the box office "success" of Sky Captain, I doubt that's ever gonna happen...

nice little jab at sky captain there. har har

box office is immaterial in this case, I just want a great film. Oh wait, and Weren't you one of the guys saying box office does not equal quality anyway? Don't go back on that if true, just because someone wants someone else to have a chance to do the next supes. sky captain's style is perfect for a new superman imo. Agree with me.

 

[Uncanny]

5 Things:

1. Watch STAS
2. Watch JLU
3. Read the MODERN Comic Books
4. Talk/consult with the DC artists & writers
5. Apply 1, 2, 3 and 4 to the Sequel.

Nuff' said.

That is very good!

Now get rid of the kid please! Very bad.

Kara-Zor-El (Supergirl) would have been better in a much MUCH later movie.

 

[dpm07]

That is very good!

Now get rid of the kid please! Very bad.

Kara-Zor-El (Supergirl) would have been better in a much MUCH later movie.

You're right.

That said, Singer's ego would likely not allow that to happen, because it wasn't something of his own creation. Furthermore, he's already made Jason, so now we have to deal with that creative genius decision in the future Superman films.

It's highly unlikely Singer's ego would realize that he's really not suited for a Superman franchise, and he'll likely make an even greater debacle next time.

 

[Desk]

You're right.

That said, Singer's ego would likely not allow that to happen, because it wasn't something of his own creation. Furthermore, he's already made Jason, so now we have to deal with that creative genius decision in the future Superman films.

That's why I'm so opposed to a direct sequel - I'm repulsed at the idea of anything that further cements "Jason Lane" into Superman mythology.

 

[Matt]

What can Singer do? Absolutely nothing. The man is quite frankly out of his league. Now if you ask me what Warner Brothers can do...thats a different story.

 

[PSU442]

That's why I'm so opposed to a direct sequel - I'm repulsed at the idea of anything that further cements "Jason Lane" into Superman mythology.

too late. and, unfortunately for those that do not like it, DC signed off on Singer's idea.

 

[dpm07]

That's why I'm so opposed to a direct sequel - I'm repulsed at the idea of anything that further cements "Jason Lane" into Superman mythology.

I agree. Unfortunately, we're probably stuck with Singer's lackluster and soulless "vision" of Superman unless a reboot occurs, and that's unlikely.

Singer's in way over his head, and provided a very poor film that did not resonate with the fans. He really has performed an immaculately atrocious act by introducing Jason into the franchise.

 

[Desk]

too late. and, unfortunately for those that do not like it, DC signed off on Singer's idea.

Realistically, I doubt that DC had any significant influence over this film.

If "Jason Lane" plays a part in any subsequent Superman films I won't be seeing them either, regardless of any other positive amendments.

 

[Eros]

well for a sequel singar could just add more new stuff, I suppose more of superman rogues gallery. Expand more on supermans relationship with Jason, and lets see superman really show his true power.