Civil War What Team Are You On NOW?!?

[Doctor Octopus]

I am still team Cap.

 

[The Guard]

There is no team Cap.

It's team Nomad now.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Team Cap. The accords basically make you a villain, if you want to try to help, but the pencil pushers say no.

Just like the SHRA on which its based, the Accords is doomed by its draconian implementation. Cap knew that the Accords wasn't really a search for a solution, it was an ultimatum. Even though there was some validity in the argument about accountability, Cap anticipated the problems that the flawed methodology would have.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I was always Team Cap, but definitely saw the positives of Team IM's position, close enough that it was probably only 60/40 in favor of Cap.

Spoiler

But after Ross commanded Tony to hunt them down and then all the fighting started, it was solidly Team Cap, although Rhodey's last conversation with Stark at the end did make me still care about Team IM.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I'm still Team Iron Man (with regards to the Accords, not...trying to murder people out of revenge)

Imagine if cops, armed forces, etc lived by the same mantra as Cap in this film. I don't trust the judgement of my government so I'm going to take my weapons out and deal justice as I see fit? Cap's experience in the WS has clouded his judgement. Just because one agency was infiltrated by evil nazi supervillains (conveniently justifying his fears), it doesn't mean that one should assume that other agencies will be the same way, let alone the UN. The answer is more compliance/regulation of organizations, not outright ignoring them.

 

[Spiderine]

None of them were ever actually given a choice in the matter. It was basically sign these accords or there will be consequences. Hoping that everyone would fall in line and cooperate so the world can be a better place under government control. The Avengers originally were under government control and what happened?

I find it odd that they would bring up the events in Avengers and TWS when it was a government agency that brought the Avengers together in the first place. Shield was practically begging for these superheroes help against an alien invasion that was actually caused by Shield's experiments with the tesseract. It was also Shield that had been fostering an evil terrorist organization from within. An organization in which Cap was an employee. Creating gunships with the capacity to eliminate millions of people. I didn't see the military involved at all to stop it either. But none of that was the fault of the Avengers. The Avengers continued to operate because of ongoing existence of Hydra and retrieving the Scepter. Strucker and Crossbones were examples of that. The world did a poor job of reacting to events of IM3 as well as Malekith's appearance in London. Another potential world ending catastrophe.

The only real argument to be made was Tony's actions in creating Ultron. Ultron was his baby. And everything that transpired from that. Tony took the blame for that. But even then........where the hell was the world when Ultron unleashed his catastrophic plan in Sokovia? The Avengers took as much precaution in saving as many civilians as possible. I can understand the need to work with the world body but for the most part they were. What happens during these operations will often result in death and destruction when trying to stop the bad guys even with the UN blessing. The rest of the world for some reason seem to ignore Hydra.....who still operates in dangerous fashion.

 

[Spiderine]

Furthermore I would like to add that it was the decision of the government to nuke NYC. I mean.......seriously.......that was the best solution they came up with. LOL

 

[grieven]

Went in rooting for Cap and his team, but shifted to Tony. I think some degree of oversight is necessary, plus while I understand Steve's loyalty to Bucky and don't blame him, there's no way to fault Tony for his reaction at the end of the movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Team Captain America before, Team Iron Man after.

Only because I think the movie failed to really get into Cap's reasoning in the end. He believes Bucky is a victim, and not responsible for his actions. Considering WS was brainwashed, it's not an entirely unreasonable argument. But they really framed that final sequence as Cap defending Bucky because they're friends. It didn't exactly shine a good light on him.

You mean the scene where Tony was trying to murder a guy for emotional reasons only? The guy who was willing to work with Ross, who clearly doesn't have the best intentions? They had a lead, and Ross just ignored it.

Widow said it right, they played it wrong.

 

[MadVillainy]

Furthermore I would like to add that it was the decision of the government to nuke NYC. I mean.......seriously.......that was the best solution they came up with. LOL

Honestly dont think that was that bad of a decision

 

[The Chris]

To be honest to me i compare The Avengers less to a military group and more like a bunch of atom bombs with brains and consciences. I would not trust a group of countries to be in control of that team. So much has happened since phase 1's end. The world security council attempted to nuke NYC, the vice president tried to have the president killed, hydra was revealed to be within the world security council, the politician world and SHIELD. The Avengers are meant to be the completely selfless ones who go beyond the political crap and red tape thinking. I just don't trust the governments we've seen in the MCU to use them right. It's a big reason i side with Cap. Look at Iron Man 3, without Tony intervening nothing happens because of the government's ego. They wanted no help.

 

[Spiderine]

Honestly dont think that was that bad of a decision

Hmmmm.......but why? Just like Fury said they only needed a little more time and they were still battling Loki and the aliens. They only needed to close the portal. It was a hasty decision and a very dangerous one.

But the point I was making is the irony of the government to make that call as it would have resulted in massive casualties and widespread destruction. In Civil War they appear to blame the Avengers for the alien invasion which was strange to me. They also blamed them for Hydra unleashing gunships that would have eliminated millions of people. They have no real alternatives to deal with these threats.

Should they have nuked London because of Malekith? Does anyone even know the world was about to be destroyed there?

 

[The Shape]

Both sides displayed some level of idiocy at times, but I'm Team Iron Man at this point.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I think there are a number of thoughts missed here; but, I'm only going to address two.

1st] Ross made the point (as well as Zemo & the mother) that the world see "AMERICAN" superhero, at will, encroaching on other country sovereignty(borders) without permission or check. This, in the real world today, is what the U.S. & Western Powers military is doing today, as well as occupying, that are breeding more hate & terrorism against the U.S. & it's Western Allies. In CW, this exactly how the World is seeing the Avengers, according to what the World is telling Ross...which is reverberated by the King of Wakanda several times as well. The amount of collateral damage & lives loss, who can blame a terrorist like Zemo, who feels he has loss everything, listening to his dead wife recording, about his dead son excitement...while the Avengers simply just go home...no cares about what just happen...what they did.

In the film, after much discussion & disagreement about collateral damage, for one, what does Vision do.....unnecessarily destroy a radar tower to stop Cap & Bucky....Giant Man tearing up planes & vehicles that own the tarmac, carelessly, blowing up stuff, in Lagos, they are engaging hostile in the mist of a crowd of people, in a crowded market.

2nd] Keep in mind, Tony is still very much operating under the vision that Scarlett Witch deployed on him. He keeps mentioning about the dangers to come & the team being torn apart. He has seen these visions...and it point to him being at fault; leading to him trying his damness, to get in front of the sI tuition & future threat. Tony & Thor are the only ones that see a future threat coming; and, are trying to get ahead of it as in Tony case or learn more about it as in Thor case.

Cap totally disregarding lives loss, damage done, countries sovereignty & their rights to deal with a problem or ask for aid. As for Bucky, he will just ignore all that he has done & killed, regardless of brainwashing or not, because other than Peggy, Bucky represent the last of his era and simply a friend. Cap readily admit he was wrong & selfish; but, got this stubborn ideolog he can't overcome.

 

[Spiderine]

To be honest to me i compare The Avengers less to a military group and more like a bunch of atom bombs with brains and consciences. I would not trust a group of countries to be in control of that team. So much has happened since phase 1's end. The world security council attempted to nuke NYC, the vice president tried to have the president killed, hydra was revealed to be within the world security council, the politician world and SHIELD. The Avengers are meant to be the completely selfless ones who go beyond the political crap and red tape thinking. I just don't trust the governments we've seen in the MCU to use them right. It's a big reason i side with Cap. Look at Iron Man 3, without Tony intervening nothing happens because of the government's ego. They wanted no help.

Let us not forget a terrorist organization growing like a cancer from within the Shield organization. A government agency in existence since the 40's. Releasing massive gunships that would have eliminated millions of targets. Where was the government in that time of crisis? And how would they have intervened if they had too without casualties and destruction? Oh thats right.....send in a nuke. Ross shows footage of that and blames the Avengers.

 

[Pokkle]

Shield like the Avengers lacked transparency and accountabilty.

At the end of the Winter Solider, the world was shocked about all these secrets revealed.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Team Iron Man.

Winter Soldier still killed his parents . Steve knew about it and didn't tell Tony. **** move by him.

Tony was right when he said Cap didn't deserve the shield especially since it was his dad that made it.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

No hydra killed his parents. Steve should have told tony that I agree.

 

[zephyrinthesky]

Team Black Widow.

The idea of answering to the UN might be bad, but the alternative of retirement or forever being fugitives is worse. Kind of hard to do their job if they're constantly on the run. And the reality was that global sentiment wasn't exactly on their side.

Both sides were being irrational.

 

[Steyin]

Team Cap all the way. The film, just like the comic, made me hate Tony even more. By the end he was just a whiny baby.

 

[Nathan]

Well, at least Tony did try to bring him in peacefully. He knew that if it wasn't him, they'd send others, who weren't willing to talk things out. He was basically trying to prevent a worst case scenario all this time, because he knew if they didn't sign the accords, the Avengers would get shut down, and the UN wouldn't be nice about the way they do it.

Now I really wonder if we'll eventually get a Thunderbolts Movie, because it would seem a natural way to go, after the events of this, and probably future Movies, when the Avengers ultimately get back together. The Thunderbolts could be the UN's answer to the Avengers. "Oh, so you won't listen? Well, then we'll just make a team that listens."

 

[IronManHype]

Team Cap all the way. The film, just like the comic, made me hate Tony even more. By the end he was just a whiny baby.

Whiny baby after watching a video of his parents (who he thought died from a car crash) murdered by a guy standing next to him?

Team Iron Man coming in and didn't think of changing ever during and after the film.