What was the problem with the fire bird?

[chaseter]

Then why did it insist on calling itself "Phoenix"? (last time I checked, Phoenix was born from fire, not from water. Water puts out fire. Apparently since water puts out fire, it put out the fire effects too). It should have called itself "Swamp Thing" or "Cesspool Girl"

Either way it certainly corrupted the jean pool

And the Shi'ar was involved. If you want to gripe about the nitty gritty then you certainly have to take into account the alien that inhabited her. I was sad we didn't get fire Phoenix but I understand why they did what they did...see explanation above...and thought it was good.

 

[Mother_Askani]

If they couldn't have used the full Phoenix Effect, they could have at least kept some of the Phoenix energy/glowing.

If they just did a bit of a glow and the Phoenix eye symbol, it would at least have showed Jean was using her powers.

My bad attempt at Photoshoping it:

But it needs the glowing energy as well, similar to this image:

Something like that would have looked cool, and not been as expensive as doing something like:

Which is what everyone wants, but I can understand how the animation to do that is going to be difficult, time consuming and expensive.

 

[Retroman]

I think it was Brett Ratner's decision to leave it out. As crazy at might sound he did not think it was realistic enough to have the Phoenix fire.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Of course they wanted and needed to make a good film. That's one of the most stupid things anyone has ever said on here.

Otherwise, why did they get Beast and Angel so right, why spend so much on that bridge replica?

They didn't get Angel completely right. For one, they didn't take the time to explain why/how Angel wants to keep his wings all of a sudden. It wasn't explained about how he came to want to step out from his father's shadow. No development there.

Second, Angel would have joined the battle. No matter what his feelings were at the time, he would always help those in need.

The film failed to realize those components.

 

[Retroman]

Which is what everyone wants, but I can understand how the animation to do that is going to be difficult, time consuming and expensive.

They had a 200 million dollar+ budget surely they could have spared some extra cash to do the Phoenix effect.It worked fairly well in X2.

 

[La_She-Beast]

OOh nice Shots Retroman

 

[ntcrawler]

^^^ So it's official. There IS no excuse.

 

[Mother_Askani]

Very cool, Retroman.

But I mean they wouldn't have the budget to do the Phoenix Effect as a character essentially. Jean flying around with the full firebird and grabbing people with it and stuff like that. That would get rather complicated.

It should also have been within their budget to do something like the classic Byrne Phoenix Effect from X-Men 135 when Jean came out of the water.

 

[WideAwake]

It would've been great to see a firebird, or not even a bird, but just a fiery aura around Jean. They did it for X2, so why not for X3? It doesn't have to be in every single scene she's using her power, so it won't loose it's impact. I'd keep it in the scene in which she kills Xavier, and when she destroyes Alcatraz during the final battle.
Maybe the writers and/or director figured it would be useless to make a Phoenix firebird since the Phoenix in this film is just Jean's alter ego, and not something "bigger" or even a metaphore.

It could be just time restraints, but didn't one of the writers mention that they didn't think it would fit in with the realistic tone of X1 and 2?
In X2, Jean's fire looked realistic to me, and the way they could've explained it, is that there is some residual energy being released while Jean is using her all of her enormous powers. Kinda like a lamp giving of heat, next to light.

 

[britrogue]

We DID get to see it in X3. Granted it's only a split second shot, but at least it proves that they did try and put it in.

 

[Angamb]

I think they didn't want it, because the movie version of Phoenix wasn't the cosmic entity, the firebird, so, why add a firebird without a solid reason?

 

[ico]

I really don't think they would've needed much of an explanation for the firebird in the movie, or even for some fire. As was said many times in the movie, she can do anything. Her power was practically limitless. She could blitz buildings within seconds, raise tons of water into the air with ease, I doubt creating a small amount of flame would be much of a stretch for her.

 

[Nibune]

Basically heres what happened.
They choose not to make the Phoenix effect a top priority off the bat, and thus when it came down the line they didnt have enought time to do it good. Additionally Ratner and Rothman which was stated months ago believed it didnt fall into realistic X-Men world, to which i respond ITS A COMIC BOOK MOVIE...
See thing with X3, even before anyone saw the script any X-Fan knew Jean didnt die. So the first FX i would think would be a priority is the phoenix, they choose differently, thus no phoenix

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Blah . . . the Phoenix effect should have been in The Last Stand plain and simple. It is Phoenix/Dark Phoenix's defining power signature and has been inherent to the character since her inception. It absolutely fits with what is established in the previous films, as the Phoenix effect begins emanating from Jean during her final moments at Alkali Lake, and is shown emerging in all of its potential glory in the final scene of X2.

Its absence is the product of bullheadedness and subsequent rushing.

Not to mention the fact that they didnt care about the quality of the movie from the start.

 

[Bastila]

They had a 200 million dollar+ budget surely they could have spared some extra cash to do the Phoenix effect.It worked fairly well in X2.

even if they did something like that it would have been cool.

 

[*xmenfan*]

They had a 200 million dollar+ budget surely they could have spared some extra cash to do the Phoenix effect.It worked fairly well in X2.

I loved the pheonix effect in X2. If only they did that in X3

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Jean looks like a physco in the top shot lol

 

[ntcrawler]

Blah . . . the Phoenix effect should have been in The Last Stand plain and simple. It is Phoenix/Dark Phoenix's defining power signature and has been inherent to the character since her inception. It absolutely fits with what is established in the previous films, as the Phoenix effect begins emanating from Jean during her final moments at Alkali Lake, and is shown emerging in all of its potential glory in the final scene of X2.

ABSOLUTELY!!! The firery aura is as defining or Jean / Phoenix as the black sulfurous smoke and "BAMF" sound when NightCrawler teleports.

Unless you're one of the believers that sitting submerged in Alkali Lake for 8 months put her fires out... I don't think so... "Phoenix borne of water?" what's this world coming to???

 

[flavio_lebeau]

We DID get to see it in X3. Granted it's only a split second shot, but at least it proves that they did try and put it in.

i tried my hardest to find this shot, but couldnt...is there any way you could take a screencap and send me? :\

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

theres one in the phoenix thread a page or two back

 

[flavio_lebeau]

theres one in the phoenix thread a page or two back

oh thanks

Jesus...that is being WAY too optimistic she is like 3 kilometers away from the screen, and it doesnt look really like a Phoenix...but oh well...

 

[La_She-Beast]

ABSOLUTELY!!! The firery aura is as defining or Jean / Phoenix as the black sulfurous smoke and "BAMF" sound when NightCrawler teleports.

And it would explain why the %&$! heck the Professor called Jean's demoniacal double personality "Phoenix"

 

[The Ones]

I knocked this up in 1/2 an hour a few days ago and its not finished:

http://media.putfile.com/Flame-86

So clearly budget wasnt the problem.

 

[N_z0]

^ Woah

 

[X-Maniac]

And it would explain why the %&$! heck the Professor called Jean's demoniacal double personality "Phoenix"

The Professor didn't call it Phoenix, he says this other repressed personality came to call itself Phoenix.

You have to consider why that name. Was she manifesting a firebird at the time he put the mental blocks in? No.. she only showed a fiery aura in her final moments at Alkali Lake... and the actual firebird form was only seen at the end of the movie...

It might make made more sense for Magneto to give her that name because she seemingly rose from death.

But perhaps this 'blocked' personality chose the name because it knew it would always rise again, awaken and return to life, it knew it would rise again and be resurrected. Xavier had in effect killed it, blocking off pathways in her brain, deadening part of her mind, stopping it expressing itself. Until that machine ensured Jean's mutation could fully express itself again.