Batman Begins What were Crane's intentions?

[DiFabio]

I have a question, does anyone know the reason why Scarecrow/Crane at the end of Begins states "I'm hear to help!" to the boy and Rachel? It makes me wonder, by his tone and voice if he was actually going to help them out of the Narrows.

Rachel tells the "they wouldn't believe me" kid that no one will hurt him, then Crane comes by on his horse and says "of course they are" in his menacing voice. Dawes, in confusion, asks "Crane?" then he says "No! Scarecrow!" (Keep in mind he never states that "of he course is")

It skips to the Loeb then the Batman/Gordon scene. Then at 1:56 goes to the main scene, where Crane, after finding Dawes and the boy, still in his pursuit, says "there you are". "There is nothing to fear but fear it self" He then changes his tone completely and appears to raise out his hand and says in a sincere manner "I'm here to help" and she of course raises her arm and shocks him in the head. He then rides off into the night screaming.

This was all with subtitles. Just found this out recently when I watched the movie again. Why the hell would he do that? It doesn't look like he's about to trick her, not at all. And changing his voice seems strange to me. Unfortunately they never go into to much detail about it. This always always puzzled me, could he have turned over a new leaf? Maybe getting gassed made him think sanely? I just don't understand it. He sounded, again, sincere to me, and it really doesn't help that he states he's "there to help".

I really hope he has a decent part to play in the Dark Knight.

 

[sasquatchs]

His voice changes because it shifts from the boy's perspective to Rachel's, she only sees a dweeb with a sack on his head

 

[gqxsensazn]

His voice changes because it shifts from the boy's perspective to Rachel's, she only sees a dweeb with a sack on his head

Hmm...interesting, I never thought of it that way. I always just thought something was messed up with audio.

 

[Joker]

I have never heard the "I'm here to help" line in all the times I've watched it.

 

[Eddie Brock]

I have never heard the "I'm here to help" line in all the times I've watched it.

Neither have I - but it is truly as simple as sasquatchs made it. Scarecrow's voice (as we know it) is a result of the Fear Toxin. Rachel, being inoculated, heard what Crane really sounds like.

 

[Joker]

Why would she tase him in the face if he said he was there to help them, and she heard it? Wouldn't she be like "well, he does have transport, and a mask that would scare off the people doped up on fear toxin. Let's give it a shot!"?

 

[Lobster Charlie]

"There's nothing to fear, but fear itself...and I'M HERE TO HELP!"

I'm thinking he's saying that as a clever sounding play on words. In other words, he's going to "help" them be more fearful.

 

[Joker]

That makes more sense than him having a sudden change of heart and becoming a good guy...

I still think they should have had him say "There is nothing to fear...but fear...HIMSELF" as he once did on the animated series, by the way.

 

[BatJeff7786]

I always thought he said "I'm here to help" too. Anyone check the subtitles?

 

[emj2006]

Yes, on the subtitles it says I'm here to help..

 

[CaptainClown]

It is suppose to be a kind of ironic statement in that he isn't going to really help. It is like when Jack Torrance screams "COME HERE AND TAKE YOUR MEDICINE!" he really doesn't mean that just to bash his sons head in. Many villains do it, and it is not uncommon. Look at Joker "lets put a smile on that face" he literally doesn't mean to make you happy, just turning something friendly into a menacing threat.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Remember he says, "There's nothing to fear but fear itself...." and then he says "I'm here to help".

Seemed to me he was talking about helping them learn about fear. So, was more of threat than him wanting to actually help. He was talking about fear.

So I gotta agree with Lobster.

Rachel and the kid didn't actually find themselves in a jam until AFTER Rachel had tazered Crane, which about a few minutes after that is when they got surrounded.

 

[DiFabio]

It is suppose to be a kind of ironic statement in that he isn't going to really help. It is like when Jack Torrance screams "COME HERE AND TAKE YOUR MEDICINE!" he really doesn't mean that just to bash his sons head in. Many villains do it, and it is not uncommon. Look at Joker "lets put a smile on that face" he literally doesn't mean to make you happy, just turning something friendly into a menacing threat.

Yeah I understand that, but the way Crane goes about saying it doesn't imply that he's going to hurt them. When he says "I'm hear to help!" it seems more like a whine or plea, instead of a threat. I just watched it now, with subtitles. It's so strange. It's just the way he says it that strikes me. He sounds sincere instead of menacing. Maybe it was from a bad take, I don't know, but it definately doesn't go with the scene.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That's because while he was saying it....he got a taser to the face.

That would be the whining and pleaing in his voice.

Cause the taser in the face.

 

[DiFabio]

No he says it before he gets tasered by Rachel Dawes.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Nah, he says it while geting tasered.

I think he was finishing the sentence, and then he breaks out into his crying scream.

Plus, I think there was a synthesizer on his voice through the fear toxin as well.

But he doesn't want to help anyone. He's crazy.

 

[DiFabio]

Get your Batman Begins DVD and put it in. I just saw it and I can tell you now he's says it right before he gets tasered at the very end of finishing "Help!"

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Fine.

He wanted to save Rachel and the boy.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It was the synthesizer. That's what you're hearing. It's really altering hs voice.

And he didn't even get to finish the sentece. So really, what he said was "I'm here to hell-" and then he proceeded to scream like a girl.

 

[DiFabio]

Fine.

He wanted to save Rachel and the boy.

No, i'm not saying that. The way he delivers the line is just off. It certainly makes it seem like thats his intent though.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

"There's nothing to fear, but fear itself...and I'M HERE TO HELP!"

I'm thinking he's saying that as a clever sounding play on words. In other words, he's going to "help" them be more fearful.

Yeah, that sounds more likely to me. I find it hard to believe that a masochistic psychopath like Crane would suddenly turn over a new leaf after getting a taste of his own "medicine."

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Nice avvy.

 

[BurningBallroom]

I never heard the 'I'm here to help' line, i'll have to have a look.

 

[CaptainClown]

The way he says it is because we are shifting out of the fear realm into reality. In the fear realm he sounds confident and menacing and he is in control. We have thus far not seen Scarecrow with his mask on and talking that was the moment. When we see that we see that there is nothing to be afraid of, he is some little girl in a mask. It is like when you are afraid of something in the dark and you find out what it is when the lights are on and you are no longer scared.

 

[BurningBallroom]

The way he says it is because we are shifting out of the fear realm into reality. In the fear realm he sounds confident and menacing and he is in control. We have thus far not seen Scarecrow with his mask on and talking that was the moment. When we see that we see that there is nothing to be afraid of, he is some little girl in a mask. It is like when you are afraid of something in the dark and you find out what it is when the lights are on and you are no longer scared.

That actually makes an awful lot of sense you know.