What will be done with Daredevil, Iron Fist and Luke Cage now that their Netflix shows are canceled?

[the gael]

I will be honest, as much as I am an hardcore Daredevil fan who would love to see DD on the big screen again, I would skip a reboot with a new cast too. Stratham as Bullseye has something that I didn’t like. Yes, excellent martial art artist, but he’s not a good actor and he won’t be able to make us forget Wilson Bethel. And are people serious when they proposé Jaimie Dornan or Robert Pattinson and his non existent charisma to replace Charlie Cox ?

Unlike the Punisher, who is a strict R rated character, DD can work in a PG 13 world (A PG 13 that will be a Dark knight like PG 13), but not at any cost, and the names above would be for sure perfect for a watered down version that won’t give justice to the character.

I will be honest, one year ago, I was a die hard MCU fan who believed that everything was great with the MCU, but with the Netflix / Marvel Studio / Marvel TV war behind the curtain, Thor Ragnarok that I thought too saccharine for my taste (and it came from someone who loved GOTG), the James Gunn affair, and the recent firing of a starwars comic book writer for political reason, I have grown disillusioned with them.

Maybe we will see, with the Fox fusion and after the cancelling of Jessica Jones and the Punisher (in 2019, after the release of their next season), a reorganization of both Marvel TV and Marvel Studio under Kevin Feige that will solve the current problems, but I am really suspicious of Disney / Marvel now

 

[psylockolussus]

Hopefully all three are rebooted for the films!

 

[Stormborn]

Look, I support Fiege. Dude hasn't made a misstep yet. But recasting DD would be a massive one. There's simply no reason to unless Netflix has some kind of clause not allowing the MCU to use their interpretation of the characters. Cox owns the role, and D'Onfrio as well. DD S3 was one of the best superhero products I've ever seen. It's up there with Logan and TDK. Recasting it would be foolishness in the extreme.

Continue the damn show on Hulu, or move Cox and D'Onfrio to appear in films.

I agree with every word of this.

If there's a "Netflix owns the rights" issue to work around then work around it, Netflix doesn't own the rights to the actors. Use the same cast and introduce Daredevil in the films/new show as an established hero with established villains. Maybe use different costumes and recast some minor roles but imply the Netflix series was near enough canon without needing to explicitly say so.

It's not like we don't have examples of keeping actors despite reboots. Reynolds has played two versions of Deadpool and I don't even know how many versions of Batman/Joker Conroy and Hamill have voiced.

 

[NotNickFury]

Does anything really need to be done with these characters when their shows go away? The MCU is huge. A few heroes eventually fading into obscurity- even in the middle of their plots- isn't the end of the world. Perhaps in the immediate future, nothing is done with them. They say there'll be more Daredevil, but that could literally be any time or never at all.

 

[Dasher10]

I'm all for the Netflix characters being moved to Hulu. That's likely what'll happen.

The new Hulu universe will likely be Runaways, the Netflix series, Ghost Rider and Blade. We'll likely now see Disney+ series for War Machine, Hawkeye, She-Hulk, Power Pack, New Mutants, Avengers Academy and Champions.

That means that Cloak and Dagger will be stuck on Freeform.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Does anything really need to be done with these characters when their shows go away? The MCU is huge. A few heroes eventually fading into obscurity- even in the middle of their plots- isn't the end of the world. Perhaps in the immediate future, nothing is done with them. They say there'll be more Daredevil, but that could literally be any time or never at all.

Nothing needs to be done with any superhero character. We don’t need superhero films/tv adaptations to be made period. Arguing that we shouldn’t continue this DD interpretation based on need is pointless, as you can’t make the argument for “need” for any fictional property.

However, if you want to argue the continuation of a product based on merit and quality, DD is the easiest case to make.

That aside, it makes sense on a brand awareness level. It’s an established product, a respected product, and a product that has directly acknowledged the existence of the MCU. There is no potential confusion incorporating it more directly as their is with the existing X-universe. In fact, recasting or rebooting would be more confusing than simply using the established versions of these characters.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Unpopular opinion alert (seems to be par for the course for me lol): if Disney/Marvel Studios have no plans to continue the plotlines of the shows, I hope they just reboot. Yea, the Netflixverse has been a fun ride, but honestly, I'd prefer seeing these 5 characters that I have grown to like so much in a more family-friendly environment. I'm not one who enjoy excessive blood, cursing, sex, etc. in his superhero movies/TV shows. BvS is about the limit of what I would tolerate.

And plus, would Feige ever give us a crappy version of Daredevil or Iron Fist? And we'd finally be able to see them cross over. Continuation looks very unlikely so I hope they just reboot, and sooner rather than later I say. These characters are too good to sit on the shelf.

 

[Hypestyle]

the characters will be renewed, somewhere, somehow. maybe not in the form we expect, but they are too valuable to just keep shelved forever. We'll see.

 

[Flint Marko]

I think Marvel is gonna do an elseworld’s sorta thing sooner rather than later and just say boom, here are different versions of different characters and here’s why. We’ll see if the Netflix characters come up then but that’s just speculation on my part. It’d be the best way for Marvel to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Unpopular opinion alert (seems to be par for the course for me lol): if Disney/Marvel Studios have no plans to continue the plotlines of the shows, I hope they just reboot. Yea, the Netflixverse has been a fun ride, but honestly, I'd prefer seeing these 5 characters that I have grown to like so much in a more family-friendly environment. I'm not one who enjoy excessive blood, cursing, sex, etc. in his superhero movies/TV shows. BvS is about the limit of what I would tolerate.

And plus, would Feige ever give us a crappy version of Daredevil or Iron Fist? And we'd finally be able to see them cross over. Continuation looks very unlikely so I hope they just reboot, and sooner rather than later I say. These characters are too good to sit on the shelf.

I don't want to see the characters rebooted at all, and think it would be a huge mistake, as evident by my above comments. However, I do see no reason why DD couldn't be continued in a hard PG-13 style ala TDK. Even TWS-esque type would work. I personally enjoy the darker take and I think it's something Marvel desperately needed and still needs, but there's no reason we couldn't have DD stories that are just as intense, just with a bit less blood. Hell, you could still show Kingpin decapitating the guy, you just don't pan down to seeing the gore on the ground. You just show him slamming the door at his face level and we hear the sound effect and that's enough. And would fit within a pg-13.

I still want to see these shows continue via Hulu, but I would be okay with DD as a hard Pg-13 as well. The one character that I think needs to stay R is Punisher. He's not, and has never been a family friendly character, and he should be kept dark and violent.

 

[Yowza]

Put on the shelf. If Feige wanted to use these characters he wouldn't have sent them to TV in the first place.

Marvel Studio's didn't have plans for the characters so they were given over to Marvel TV as you say so I feel this way as well.

Twitter newsfeed alert which gets way too much attention sometimes:
Rollingstone's TV critic Alan Sepinwall's November 29th response to news of the cancellation from Variety can be seen here: Alan Sepinwall (@sepinwall) | Twitter:

"S3 was the best Netflix/Marvel season in quite some time, which I wrote about here https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/daredevil-season-3-review-748714/ … But it's clear this partnership is doomed as Disney focuses on its own streaming service, while Netflix hasn't been happy (justifiably) with the creative on these shows."

The whole deal was ill-conceived from the start, with Marvel selling Netflix 5 shows (Punisher came later) without any creators attached, looking to instantly manufacture a small-screen version of what had grown much more gradually on film. And the shows had moments, especially when they featured strong villains (Fisk, Kilgrave, Cottonmouth). But they were also by far the most glaring examples of the downside of streaming's 'It's a 13-hour movie' approach. No matter how many eps a season had, it was always too many. And the shows tended to get worse with this as they went along, not better. DD s3 stood out in part because it was the 1st time a season of one of these shows improved on the previous one. Jessica Jones and Punisher both seem on borrowed time at this point. Some fine moments/performances floating in a sea of meh.

The execs have already said they don't want these shows on the Disney service. And even if they did, the nature of the contracts would make it virtually impossible. They're done," Marvel TV execs in general have come across as pretty stubborn/oblivious about the flaws of their shows. Agents of SHIELD is the only one to notably improve as it went along. Most others either got worse or failed to fix what wasn't working.

I should clarify. The Marvel shows for Disney+ are being produced by Marvel movie execs, who do not like or get along with the Marvel TV execs who made Daredevil et al. Technically, they COULD make a Luke Cage show a few years down the line. They just don’t want to.

And if they did, they’d be starting over from scratch creatively, like Sony ditching the Andrew Garfield movies for Tom Holland as Spider-Man. So sad/hilarious what a one-sided relationship the MCU and Marvel TV turned out to be.

The most frequent responses to my tweets about Disney+ not wanting Daredevil et al are, 'Well, then I guess Hulu will take them!'"

For fans of current shows, I think it's disingenuous to them to reboot it so soon.

On the flipside for the fans that didn't like it yet may like a softer toned reboot, they may find the same sort of sudden abrupt abandonment of the projects yet again due to fan backlash of those that don't like things to be repeated so soon. This is not a good precedent to not fully finish things off so of course something similar may happen with a re-boot. Whose to say we won't watch another origin story repeating things again through Marvel Studio's sheer stubborness to do things over again.

 

[Bach]

I think this discussion really shows how things have changed. Even though I like the MCU, I can't help but think how everything would be if they would have kept the tone of the first Iron Man film.



Here, Tony intervened in a terrorist conflict and killed in cold blood a high number of terrorists. If the whole MCU was like this, the ex-Netflix shows would've blended much better.

I love Marvel Studios' movies and all they have brought in my life, but I know for sure they aren't perfect. The humor is an element the GA expects from them and that's why they like them. However, in my opinion most of the MCU movies have an excessive amout of humor, and most of the time it only harms the narrative. Like, in Age of Ultron there was a big fight and everything was being destroyed and yet everyone was making freaking jokes. I won't even mention how pathetic Ultron was.

It's not only the humor, they cover most of the important events in a superficial manner. We didn't see the consecuences of the Battle of New York until Civil war happened. MCU leans too heavily in the sci-fi aspect and never find a balance so the suspension of disbelief doesn't work for people like me. Etc, etc. Aaaaaanyway, I guess this was just me ventilating my acumulated frustration with the MCU. Good thing I can write my own canon.

EDIT: Also, I'm not saying that the Netflix shows are perfect either. Even though I like them for showing everyday life of people and conflicts, they also have tons of issues. The Hand is a joke, which consequently made The Defenders a joke. There's also the recurring problem not knowing how to use the characters to their fullest. Not to mention the already known pacing issues. Etc, etc.

 

[Darkprime]

Marvel Studio's didn't have plans for the characters so they were given over to Marvel TV as you say so I feel this way as well.

Twitter newsfeed alert (gets way too much attention sometimes): Rollingstone's TV critic Alan Sepinwall responds to svoicing some thoughts on this November 29th in response to news of the cancellation from Variety can be seen here: Alan Sepinwall (@sepinwall) | Twitter:






For fans of current shows, I think it's disingenuous to them to reboot it so soon.

On the flipside for the fans that didn't like it yet may like a softer toned reboot, they may find the same sort of sudden abrupt abandonment of the projects yet again due to fan backlash of those that don't like things to be repeated so soon. This is not a good precedent to not fully finish things off so of course something similar may happen with a re-boot. Whose to say we won't watch another origin story repeating things again through Marvel Studio's sheer stubborness to do things over again.

Disney and Marvel looking at a reboot basically confirms what we've always known. That the Netflix shows were never really in the MCU. Sorry its true. Vague little easter eggs don't mean anything. They used those as a marketing tool to drag the audience along in hopes of a MCU crossover. Despite the Russo's saying they "considered" them for Infinity War.

I doubt that idea ever left the writers room and I bet they never even contacted Netflix. They continue to use the same old scheduling excuse they've been using the past few years when asked and I'm pretty sure Feige has also used a similar excuse once before when asked about a MCU crossover. If they really wanted a crossover in the movies they would have made it happen. They've called actors at the last minute to do small cameo's in the movies. It wouldn't have been hard to get the group of them for a few days to film a cameo.

The Netflix shows were a cool experiment that allowed us to see the darker more mature side of Marvel a side we rarely see on the films if at all. But it seems that experiment is over. And we should just enjoy what's left.

 

[Ozbridge]

I think this discussion really shows how things have changed. Even though I like the MCU, I can't help but think how everything would be if they would have kept the tone of the first Iron Man film.

Here, Tony intervened in a terrorist conflict and killed in cold blood a high number of terrorists. If the whole MCU was like this, the ex-Netflix shows would've blended much better.

I just rewatched the first Iron Man recently and I was surprised to see smoking in there. But after Disney acquired Marvel Studio I don't think they will ever agree to go back to that though. (I remember being quite shocked that Disney let Marvel leave the scene of Rebecca Hall's character in underwear in the theatrical cut of Iron Man 3).

Disney and Marvel looking at a reboot basically confirms what we've always known. That the Netflix shows were never really in the MCU. Sorry its true.

You don't have to say sorry for stating fact. I don't really know how it's stated (or whether it's stated) officially on "Disney's documents" but the person that ever says "It's connected" is from Marvel TV. Kevin Feige likely hasn't never purposely watched anything from Marvel TV, so I don't think he thinks that all movies and TV shows occur in the same universe.

And you know what? Actually despite probably never caring about the TV division, I don't think the people working on the movies have ever done something contradicting the TV shows. On the other hand I find Agents Carter and AoS go out of their ways to create an alternative universe and severe ties with the movies. Winter Soldier establishes that Sharon is likely Peggy's niece, but then AoS went out of the way to show that Peggy had only 1 sibling and Agent Carter killed off that sibling, both done long after Winter Soldier.

 

[samsnee]

They could reboot these characters for the movies if they wanted to and wouldn’t hurt continuity in any way for the movie verse.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I just rewatched the first Iron Man recently and I was surprised to see smoking in there. But after Disney acquired Marvel Studio I don't think they will ever agree to go back to that though. (I remember being quite shocked that Disney let Marvel leave the scene of Rebecca Hall's character in underwear in the theatrical cut of Iron Man 3).



You don't have to say sorry for stating fact. I don't really know how it's stated (or whether it's stated) officially on "Disney's documents" but the person that ever says "It's connected" is from Marvel TV. Kevin Feige likely hasn't never purposely watched anything from Marvel TV, so I don't think he thinks that all movies and TV shows occur in the same universe.

And you know what? Actually despite probably never caring about the TV division, I don't think the people working on the movies have ever done something contradicting the TV shows. On the other hand I find Agents Carter and AoS go out of their ways to create an alternative universe and severe ties with the movies. Winter Soldier establishes that Sharon is likely Peggy's niece, but then AoS went out of the way to show that Peggy had only 1 sibling and Agent Carter killed off that sibling, both done long after Winter Soldier.

Agent Carter at the very end of season 2 hinted that her brother was still alive.

 

[Yowza]

Agent Carter at the very end of season 2 hinted that her brother was still alive.

Also, season 2 set things up and the writers have said they planned to use him in Season 3. As a potential villain.

 

[Ozbridge]

Agent Carter at the very end of season 2 hinted that her brother was still alive.

Oh thanks I forgot that.

 

[TheVileOne]

My prediction: If they want to use them, they'll be rebooted.

 

[Yowza]

Reading between the lines (or press releases if want to put it that way), the Shang-Chi announcement taken in context with the recent announcements this past week regarding the Netflix shows could be informing.

It seems this adds further weight to speculation that Netflix has the rights to the characters utilized in the TV shows for a while yet. Furthermore, this announcements makes it seem a reboot is unlikely as well within the next 5 years as Shang-Chi will take about 2-3 years from now to hit the screen.

If the characters of the Netflix shows appear again it will be in a similar context we've seen them in the past but will still be some years from now unless of course Marvel TV inserts some into JJ or Punisher which is probably only going to be minor appearances due to them being pretty far along in development.

 

[samsnee]

The whole tweet thread is worth a read and makes sense from a profitability perspective for both Disney and Netflix. Netflix just doesn't need the buzz of Marvel like it used to in order to grow its subscriber base. And Disney is not going to take someone else's sloppy seconds. Looks like we won't see these characters again for a long time (and will probably be recast if they do).

 

[BoredGuy]

Idk
I feel like this could be a death knell for Netflix
They've been hemorrhaging licensed content for a while now, and their original stuff is 98% unprofitable crap

Most of their movies underwhelm, and I don't know the last time I got a positive recommendation for a Netflix show outside of the Marvel stuff

So I see why Marvel would be okay with this, they'll roll with the punches, but for Netflix it doesn't seem too smart

 

[Ozbridge]

My prediction: If they want to use them, they'll be rebooted.

If the movies or Disney+ want to use Defenders characters, then they're very likely rebooted. But I think Marvel TV is allowed to use these characters in the first place because the movie people don't plan to use them anyway, so I don't think anything changes now.

Idk
I feel like this could be a death knell for Netflix
They've been hemorrhaging licensed content for a while now, and their original stuff is 98% unprofitable crap

Most of their movies underwhelm, and I don't know the last time I got a positive recommendation for a Netflix show outside of the Marvel stuff

So I see why Marvel would be okay with this, they'll roll with the punches, but for Netflix it doesn't seem too smart

I think they expect contracts with Ryan Murphy, Shonda and the Millarworld acquisition to perform. Besides they don't depreciate original movies/ TV based on the excuse that they'll be on Netflix forever, so those properties are still reported at cost AFAIK.

Anyway about a year ago a blind item on CDAN said that every decade an entity in Hollywood spends all the money they have to buy everything in town to eliminate competition but it never ends well and in 2010s that entity is Netflix.

 

[BoredGuy]

But once again I must reiterate:

RECAST VINCENT D'ONOFRIO AND I WILL BLOW UP MOTHAFU**IN' DISNEYLAND, I SWEAR TO GOD, DISNEY.

 

[samsnee]

Yeah, I think Netflix is betting they can make more money on properties they own 100% versus licensing deals. I get it, because then they can control budgets, episodes orders, etc.

If the TV shows had actually caught on fire and was buzzed about beyond the comic fans, they would have kept them. But it's obvious that a vast majority who watch the movies just aren't watch the shows when there is so much more competition out there for prestige TV.