What would Christopher Nolan do with...

[terry78]

Memento is regarded as a staple indie flick. Batman Begins is one of the better comic book films put to screen. And The Dark Knight is going to be nominated for Best Picture.

I think he deserves a lot of the praise he gets, to be honest. The man has accomplished a lot in a span of eight or nine years. The real question is: how will people react when he finally slips up?

That's what I'm saying. I am a geek fanboy like the rest of the ilk, but I know we are one of the most fickle groups in existence...we'll praise someone come hell or high water, but as soon as something goes sour, we'll turn on their ass in a heartbeat. Nolan won't always do **** that we agree with, eventually he's going to do something and fanboys will be like, "wait...that's pretty stupid." Raimi did it, Singer did it, Jackson somewhat did it, both of the Beards have done it.

 

[dude stannis]

But that's it, it's not just "wait... that's pretty stupid" it's "OMFG YOU RAPED MY CHILDHOOD FURK YOU I HOPE YOU GET RUN OUT OF HOLLYWOOD YOU HACK!" because of one movie that didn't aim to give them orgasms.

 

[Cmill216]

Raimi is the poster child for it.

Spider-Man 2 was hailed as the greatest comic book film ever back in 2004. Fast forward three years, and people start prepping the guillotine.

"What have you done for me lately?"

 

[cerealkiller182]

Yea I have total respect for the man, and appreciate him for bringing back the one character I'll always love. But the love for him on here is over-the-top to me. But what do you expect on SHH.

Agreed

What the second coming is too Christians, Nolan is to fanboys, and it is irritating as hell.

 

[Movies205]

Memento is regarded as a staple indie flick. Batman Begins is one of the better comic book films put to screen. And The Dark Knight is going to be nominated for Best Picture.

I think he deserves a lot of the praise he gets, to be honest. The man has accomplished a lot in a span of eight or nine years. The real question is: how will people react when he finally slips up?

I really dig Christopher Nolan and so I am not disagreeing about him deserving praise. However, to put things into perspective Memento is a huge riff off what Dutch Filmmakers were doing with the Dogma 95 movement, a lot of people fail to realize that the late 90s renaissance of film with stuff like Fight Club, The Usual Suspects, etc all is a huge take off of the Dogma 95 movement, now it'd be a bit disingenuous to say that its a rip-off because its not, Nolan doing what all artists do which is to build off what came before, however his film was not the first.

The Prestige was good and Batman Begins was okay. I find Batman Begins gets a lot more credit simply because of the idea of restarting a franchise in a darker and grittier way since the movie is arguably mediocre.

The Dark Knight is awesome So with that said is Nolan great, yes he is yet we need to put that into perspective with his body of work. I have yet to see the Following.

 

[Movies205]

In Peter Jackson's defense, "King Kong" didn't get him into the mess that "Superman Returns" got Bryan Singer into, likewise for "Speed Racer" with the Wachowskis. Actually, the Wachowskis were being dumped on since the two Matrix sequels in '03. They gained some cred back after "V for Vendetta", but it was lost again after "Speed Racer". But if you want to talk about a director's fall from grace, look no further than George Lucas. On top of the world with "Star Wars", but I don't need to explain "Episode I".

Touche

Back on topic, I think Christopher Nolan is an exception to the rule. Sure, he may have some duds in the future. Every director does, even Spielberg. But I don't think he will be shunned by the fan community like Bryan Singer was. For one thing, Nolan just seems content with sticking with Batman. He doesn't even know if he wants to do a third one yet. Plus, another main reason why Singer pissed off the fan community was because he bailed on the X-Men series.

If Nolan doesn't branch out then yeah he won't be shunned but hell mayhe will if he makes a crappy Batman like Raimi did with Spiderman 3. I mean its following a similar path. Spider-Man 1 was mediocre like Batman Begins, Spider-Man 2 kicked ass like Dark Knight, will Batman 3 suck like Spiderman 3?

 

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

I really dig Christopher Nolan and so I am not disagreeing about him deserving praise. However, to put things into perspective Memento is a huge riff off what Dutch Filmmakers were doing with the Dogma 95 movement, a lot of people fail to realize that the late 90s renaissance of film with stuff like Fight Club, The Usual Suspects, etc all is a huge take off of the Dogma 95 movement, now it'd be a bit disingenuous to say that its a rip-off because its not, Nolan doing what all artists do which is to build off what came before, however his film was not the first.

The Prestige was good and Batman Begins was okay. I find Batman Begins gets a lot more credit simply because of the idea of restarting a franchise in a darker and grittier way since the movie is arguably mediocre.

The Dark Knight is awesome So with that said is Nolan great, yes he is yet we need to put that into perspective with his body of work. I have yet to see the Following.

It's worth checking out for sure.

 

[Movies205]

It's worth checking out for sure.

Too many movies, too little time

 

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Too many movies, too little time

I know the feeling, I manage a movie rental spot.

 

[Cinemaman]

Memento is regarded as a staple indie flick. Batman Begins is one of the better comic book films put to screen. And The Dark Knight is going to be nominated for Best Picture.

I think he deserves a lot of the praise he gets, to be honest. The man has accomplished a lot in a span of eight or nine years. The real question is: how will people react when he finally slips up?

Agreed, he hasn't failed yet considering the fact that he has been working in this business for years. I would call him the best example of the greatest director of this generation.

 

[Cinemaman]

Touche



If Nolan doesn't branch out then yeah he won't be shunned but hell mayhe will if he makes a crappy Batman like Raimi did with Spiderman 3. I mean its following a similar path. Spider-Man 1 was mediocre like Batman Begins, Spider-Man 2 kicked ass like Dark Knight, will Batman 3 suck like Spiderman 3?

I have to disagree. While the main purpose of BB was to introduc a new vision of Batman in the real world, TDK must never be compared with Spidey 2, as it did more than just add more action and drama. It is praised like a new The Godfather II or Star Wars V, and it should be so, as it was the first superhero film, which changed everything in its genre of constant cliche and nothing else.

 

[Movies205]

Agreed, he hasn't failed yet considering the fact that he has been working in this business for years. I would call him the best example of the greatest director of this generation.

He's made a great film (Memento), very good film (Dark Knight), 2 decent films (insomnia and prestige), and 1 mediocre film (Batman Begins).

I think there are far better examples out there... P.T. Anderson comes to mind considering he just made what many, including myself, considering the best movie of the past decade "There Will Be Blood" consistently making mindblowing films. Nolan is okay, he makes good film but the only movie he made that's going put a dent in cinema history is Memento and even that is outshine by the fact that Dogma 95 is where that style originated from. This is not to bash Nolan its simply to put it into perspective.

 

[Movies205]

I have to disagree. While the main purpose of BB was to introduc a new vision of Batman in the real world, TDK must never be compared with Spidey 2, as it did more than just add more action and drama. It is praised like a new The Godfather II or Star Wars V, and it should be so, as it was the first superhero film, which changed everything in its genre of constant cliche and nothing else.

I loved Dark Knight saw it three times in theaters but in the end its simply a fun superhero movie just like all the rest with a pretencious coating on for good measure. I mean it follows all the same plot lines that Spiderman 2 face, choosing whether or not to be spider-man, people being hurt by being a superhero, the cost of doing good when your not being praised, the difference is that Spider-man did it in a much lighter tone. Dark Knight simply tacked on a bunch of first grade philosophy. Dark Knight was great, however it is no Godfather 2, its on par with Star Wars V though.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

I really dig Christopher Nolan and so I am not disagreeing about him deserving praise. However, to put things into perspective Memento is a huge riff off what Dutch Filmmakers were doing with the Dogma 95 movement, a lot of people fail to realize that the late 90s renaissance of film with stuff like Fight Club, The Usual Suspects, etc all is a huge take off of the Dogma 95 movement, now it'd be a bit disingenuous to say that its a rip-off because its not, Nolan doing what all artists do which is to build off what came before, however his film was not the first.

Not disagreeing with your stance but I'm pretty sure that the Usual Suspects was shown at Sundance before Dogman 95. Anyway I'm not sure what the Dogme 95 movement really brought, There rules seem to be pretty basic, pointless and nesscary for any Independment movie.

I didn't start this thread to bash Nolan. Truth is, I've only seen his Batman films [both I felt were really over-rated] so I can't really judge his talent fairly. This thread is directed at the Nolan lovers, who have build him up to God like status. I would love to buy him for what's he's worth and sell him for what his fans think he's worth.

 

[Movies205]

Not disagreeing with your stance but I'm pretty sure that the Usual Suspects was shown at Sundance before Dogman 95.

You're correct, I always associate Usual Suspects with that whole movement cuz there so similar, I stand corrected. However, my point with Memento still stands...

 

[matrix_ghost]

Memento is regarded as a staple indie flick. Batman Begins is one of the better comic book films put to screen. And The Dark Knight is going to be nominated for Best Picture.

I think he deserves a lot of the praise he gets, to be honest. The man has accomplished a lot in a span of eight or nine years. The real question is: how will people react when he finally slips up?

I don't think it's a question of when but rather HOW much he'll screw up.
Every director will eventually screw up in their careers. But you have moderate screws up and the cluster-f@*cks .

For example take a look at Steven Spielberg. The guy was on a roll and then he made 1941. I haven't seen 1941 but from what i've read from articles with spielberg admitted he messed up. But it didn't hurt his career and he came back with strong movies like Jurassic Park. AFterwards he made Amistad. Again that movie didn't perform well but spielberg bounced back with stuff like Minority Report , WOTW and Munich.

At the same time you have someone like Michael Cimino who made The Deer Hunter. The movie was extremely well received but Michael's 2nd movie "Heaven's gate " completely killed his career. And yes i know that he made these extravagent demands but my point here is that he messed up so badly , it completely killed his career.

Brian Singer was a very well respected filmmaker before Superman Returns. Now because of Superman Returns , there are people who don't believe in him. The fans are split 50/50.
I think may studio exec. will probably look tightly at his budgets.
He messed up pretty badly with SR.

I think that a director like nolan can still have the support from studios and fans
1 If his movie doesn't alienate fans
2 If his movie couldn't find an audience but it's still something that critics will love
3 The financial losses aren't too great

 

[matrix_ghost]

Memento is regarded as a staple indie flick. Batman Begins is one of the better comic book films put to screen. And The Dark Knight is going to be nominated for Best Picture.

I think he deserves a lot of the praise he gets, to be honest. The man has accomplished a lot in a span of eight or nine years. The real question is: how will people react when he finally slips up?

I don't think it's a question of when but rather HOW much he'll screw up.
Every director will eventually screw up in their careers. But you have moderate screws up and the cluster-f@*cks .

For example take a look at Steven Spielberg. The guy was on a roll and then he made 1941. I haven't seen 1941 but from what i've read from articles with spielberg admitted he messed up. But it didn't hurt his career and he came back with strong movies like Jurassic Park. AFterwards he made Amistad. Again that movie didn't perform well but spielberg bounced back with stuff like Minority Report , WOTW and Munich.

At the same time you have someone like Michael Cimino who made The Deer Hunter. The movie was extremely well received but Michael's 2nd movie "Heaven's gate " completely killed his career. And yes i know that he made these extravagent demands but my point here is that he messed up so badly , it completely killed his career.

Brian Singer was a very well respected filmmaker before Superman Returns. Now because of Superman Returns , there are people who don't believe in him. The fans are split 50/50.
I think may studio exec. will probably look tightly at his budgets.
He messed up pretty badly with SR.

I think that a director like nolan can still have the support from studios and fans
1 If his movie doesn't alienate fans
2 If his movie couldn't find an audience but it's still something that critics will love
3 The financial losses aren't too great

 

[블라스]

This is probably one of the smartest and more civilized discussions I've witnessed on the Hype
No one is being insulted

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I feel there is an inevitability about Nolan doing a Bond movie. Maybe later in his career. He's British, he is a fan (and of the 70's ones, oh yes), and he has a sober, dramatic style that is perfect for 007. If you watch For Your Eyes Only, it's very similar in style to Nolan's directorial approach (but with much better action).

 

[Carmine Falcone]

This is probably one of the smartest and more civilized discussions I've witnessed on the Hype
No one is being insulted

**** ALL OF YOU!

You asked for it you bastard.

 

[블라스]

 

[dark_b]

lets make something clear about Singer. he had 100% control and 180 milions for superman. he asked for more money for a bullet scene(is the guy serious)

now years after he has again problems with the budget. if someone will kill Singers career it will be him.

 

[dude stannis]

lets make something clear about Singer. he had 100% control and 180 milions for superman. he asked for more money for a bullet scene(is the guy serious)

now years after he has again problems with the budget. if someone will kill Singers career it will be him.

A prime example of what I'm talking about.

 

[ComixGirl]

Something original. You shouldn't fit Nolan into an archetype just because of his Batman series, look at Following and Memento. He never fits into a single archetype, he's got talent.

 

[Sawyer]

You did not just put "King Kong" in the same category as "Superman Returns" and "Speed Racer".

Speed Racer was genius. The other two were ****.