Justice League What would Snyder need to do for Justice League to be a critical success?

[PRIMUS]

I am quite curious if Snyder follows in same style, can he have a chance at critical success? If same style doesn't work, what does he need to change for JL?

 

[Jaxon]

Make a "safe" movie is the only way to get that. I don't want that. I want Man of Steel level brilliance.

 

[PRIMUS]

MOS was of better quality, but also even not perfect the Zod villain was better than jokey Lex.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Make a "safe" movie is the only way to get that. I don't want that. I want Man of Steel level brilliance.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic lol.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Snyder would need to make a faster moving film, more direct plot without choppy editing, and have Superman happy too be doing what he does.

 

[DerekLake]

Oh so many things. Like Snyder's approach to the Justice League as a whole. I think it's what WB needs to change. And frankly they need to change Snyder. The entire plot of Batman v Superman was born of Snyder's idea that Superman shouldn't help found the Justice League. His entire foundation is flawed. What would he need to change? Everything.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Bruce Wayne feels bad he didn't give Superman a chance (MARTHA!!!!) and starts the JL from it. That's the motivation we have for JL, like it or not.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

leave

I hate to be crass about it, but thats really the only way

 

[Jaxon]

Oh so many things. Like Snyder's approach to the Justice League as a whole. I think it's what WB needs to change. And frankly they need to change Snyder. The entire plot of Batman v Superman was born of Snyder's idea that Superman shouldn't help found the Justice League. His entire foundation is flawed. What would he need to change? Everything.

Let's walk through Superman needing to form the Justice League.

Under what premise would they join with this all powerful, all good Superman around? If you try and write that script it is paint by numbers - big bad comes to planet, quick let's form the JL and fight! That would be just boring as bat s*** boring. And if Superman is this all good righteous person, then every conversation he ever has is he is always right. Again, under what reason would any member of the JL be interested? The dynamic would be so stupid and childish and it'd be an even weaker movie than the Avengers.


Let's walk through the current scenario. 2 times the world has now faced extinction level events and both times saved by Superman. Superman is no longer here. There is now a genuine need for the metas to form. For the 2 years prior with Superman around the metas stayed hidden, no need for them, they go in hiding. With him dead, it's time for them to come forward especially now with Superman having pathed the way for the acceptance in the world. Superman took the whole weight of the world on his shoulders to allow the other metas to come through and be embraced, because he is the only character than can do that. And he did.

Just keep doing what you're doing Zack, you know better than the fools who vote for Trump.

 

[Jaxon]

MOS was of better quality, but also even not perfect the Zod villain was better than jokey Lex.

If you check my last 1000 posts you know I am the real voice of knowledge and all things wonderful.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Just keep doing what you're doing Zack, you know better than the fools who vote for Trump.

there is no reaction gif I could find to appropriately describe this

 

[Zero_Effect]

Let's walk through Superman needing to form the Justice League.

Under what premise would they join with this all powerful, all good Superman around? If you try and write that script it is paint by numbers - big bad comes to planet, quick let's form the JL and fight! That would be just boring as bat s*** boring. And if Superman is this all good righteous person, then every conversation he ever has is he is always right. Again, under what reason would any member of the JL be interested? The dynamic would be so stupid and childish and it'd be an even weaker movie than the Avengers.


Let's walk through the current scenario. 2 times the world has now faced extinction level events and both times saved by Superman. Superman is no longer here. There is now a genuine need for the metas to form. For the 2 years prior with Superman around the metas stayed hidden, no need for them, they go in hiding. With him dead, it's time for them to come forward especially now with Superman having pathed the way for the acceptance in the world. Superman took the whole weight of the world on his shoulders to allow the other metas to come through and be embraced, because he is the only character than can do that. And he did.

Just keep doing what you're doing Zack, you know better than the fools who vote for Trump.

Man scenario 2 sounds so lazy. If you can come up with a way to form the Justice League with Superman alive, then you aren't the right person for the job.

 

[DerekLake]

Let's walk through Superman needing to form the Justice League.

Under what premise would they join with this all powerful, all good Superman around? If you try and write that script it is paint by numbers - big bad comes to planet, quick let's form the JL and fight! That would be just boring as bat s*** boring. And if Superman is this all good righteous person, then every conversation he ever has is he is always right. Again, under what reason would any member of the JL be interested? The dynamic would be so stupid and childish and it'd be an even weaker movie than the Avengers.


Let's walk through the current scenario. 2 times the world has now faced extinction level events and both times saved by Superman. Superman is no longer here. There is now a genuine need for the metas to form. For the 2 years prior with Superman around the metas stayed hidden, no need for them, they go in hiding. With him dead, it's time for them to come forward especially now with Superman having pathed the way for the acceptance in the world. Superman took the whole weight of the world on his shoulders to allow the other metas to come through and be embraced, because he is the only character than can do that. And he did.

Just keep doing what you're doing Zack, you know better than the fools who vote for Trump.

Before I present a way in which Superman founding the Justice League works (as it always has), let's address your presuppositions: you understand neither what actually happened in Man of Steel nor what the Justice League is. First, Superman had a LOT of help in Man of Steel, and by sheer luck he didn't face all 20 or so Kryptonians at once. He's not all-powerful, as his death shows. He was nearly killed by a mortal man, after all. Second, the Justice League is not merely a defense force, and Superman is not merely Earth's first responder. This is what Superman is supposed to be about, according to Man of Steel:

Jor-El: The people of earth are different than us, it’s true. But ultimately I believe that’s a good thing. They won’t necessarily make the same mistakes we did. Not if you guide them, Kal. Not if you give them hope. That’s what this symbol means. The symbol of the house of El means hope. Embodied within that hope is the fundamental belief in the potential of every person to be a force for good. That’s what you can bring them... You will give the people of earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.

I think that speaks for itself. Consider that Wonder Woman isn't just an anti-Nazi feminist warrior but an ambassador on a mission to bring peace to the world. Or consider that we're talking about a group called the Justice League. They aren't the Metahuman Defense Force or the Superhero Squad. These characters and this group are bigger than that.

Superman's legitimacy and the League's significance don't come from how powerful they are, but from their mission. And their missions are hand in glove. Superman wants to make a better world. The Justice League fights for Justice in the world. Now anyone can come up with a context in which an overwhelming threat forces these heroes to band together. Any team can be vulnerable and outmatched against a more powerful foe. But if you want to depict the Justice League, you've got to get to the heart of why this is a justice league. And the best way to do that is to take Superman and Batman and Wonder Woman and have them realize that the best way that each accomplishes their own missions is to form this group. Again, how you fit that into the context of a threat-based story isn't really that hard, once you have a firm grasp on the Justice League itself.

So this has absolutely nothing to do with Superman's power level. Because you do realize that your issue with Superman's invulnerability doesn't go away after the League is formed, right? The only way to resolve that issue would be to kill him off permanently. But then you really don't have the Justice League, you just have Batman's metahuman Avengers team. And all you are saying is that you actually don't really like Superman at all. But plenty of comics have had Superman as a member of the Justice League and yet facing difficult challenges. It is possible. At least 50 years of comics prove that to be the case.

On a final note, I'm not sure how you've come to equate critics of Snyder's approach to Trump supporters. This is just an Internet forum, so you won't get any points for baseless comparisons.

 

[StormC]

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I hate to be crass about it, but thats really the only way

This. Zack has only made one movie that could reasonably be called "critically acclaimed," and it was his first feature over ten years ago, Dawn Of The Dead. Dude is legit M. Night level, or getting close to it.

If you check my last 1000 posts you know I am the real voice of knowledge and all things wonderful.

See, I know you have your opinions, and that's fine, but I can't tell if you're just joking with "haha, yeah, I think things that go against the mainstream here" or you legitimately think you're the only one here who's got it all figured out.

 

[_Superman_]

The only way I see it being a "critical" success is by them toning down the seriousness of the film and making it more kid friendly. Personally I love the seriousness of the DC films and I like the direction of Superman because his Superman reminds me of Superman: Earth One (which is a series I personally like). However I just think Snyder or any DC movie will not be a "critical" success unless they tone it down and make it more like Marvel meaning make it brighter and add more jokes into the movie even when there maybe a fight going on.

 

[OutOfBoose]

He can't do anything. At the very best he will get 60-70% approval from critics. And it's in case we get a nearly flawless film.

 

[SuperAl]

Make the Flash and Cyborg very light and funny to counter the seriousness of WW, Batman and Superman. More focused plot, less subplots that foreshadow other stories.

As for the studio, dont reveal so much in the trailers.

 

[Loki882]

Personally I find the idea that 5 or 6 other heroes (most of whom have superpowers) need to come together to do the job that Superman can do himself (especially since THIS Superman's effectiveness is questionable to begin with) to be "boring," not to mention insulting to those other heroes.

And it speaks to Snyder's lack of interest in Superman (and talent in general) that he cannot find a way to bring the JL together unless he kills off Superman first. Hey Zack, they were able to do this in a freaking animated TV show like a decades ago, so what's your excuse?

And we can we stop with the whole "critics will only praise these films if they're like Marvel" nonsense, because that's just what it is, nonsense. Critics loved the Nolan Bat-trilogy (even the fan controversial TDKR still got really positive reviews overall), yet they were still "dark and serious." Critics praised Bryan Singer's X-Men films, and they're pretty dark overall as well. So the notion that they cannot like "dark and serious" movies is just not true, simple as that.

They just don't think that Snyder's films are, you know, good (or nearly as "mature" as he seems to think that they are). THAT'S the distinction.

 

[Boom]

Keep it simple. In an effort to seem more high-brow and sophisticated, they stuffed things into BvS that only served to complicate the narrative. The editing hack-job just goes to show how unruly it was to accomplish everything they wanted to in that film.

Simplify the plot, gives us likable characters with personalities, and let them drive the film.

 

[warcam]

leave

I hate to be crass about it, but thats really the only way

You took my answer.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Personally I find the idea that 5 or 6 other heroes (most of whom have superpowers) need to come together to do the job that Superman can do himself (especially since THIS Superman's effectiveness is questionable to begin with) to be "boring," not to mention insulting to those other heroes.

You can easily get around disparity in power levels. Marvel has no problem keeping Captain America relevant while standing next to extremely overpowered individuals like Thor, Hulk, and Scarlet Witch.

 

[SuperAl]

parademons will give all the heroes something to fight. Thats basically what marvel did in both avengers movies.

Regardless of how powerful superman is he cant fight a bunch of parademons and steppenwolf or darkseid.

 

[Cobblepot]

You can easily get around disparity in power levels. Marvel has no problem keeping Captain America relevant while standing next to extremely overpowered individuals like Thor, Hulk, and Scarlet Witch.

Because they boost his abilities by a 1000 and by making him okay by offing his opponents with a machine gun, without loosing a single second off sleep over it. The MCU Cap is not the Cap from the comics.

 

[WBwins]

By making the Heroes likeable and Heroic.By being a better Storyteller.By letting go of ego and admitting mistakes.

By doing everything to ensure Superman comes off as Superman,They may not realise it but if they get Superman right,its a huge trump card to turn the audiencee in the favour.Loo what a well done spidey did for civil war

 

[jmc]

Walk away and let someone else who knows how to construct a story do it.