The Dark Knight Rises What would you have eliminated or changed?

Miranda Tate eliminated so far.

And i would have changed...

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...Talia al Ghul for Ra's as the villain behind the curtain.

I would have changed Blake's time on screen. So much for a simple...

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...Robin.

And more, much more Catwoman, for god sake!

 

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- The eight year hiatus. I would have gone with five at most. Oh, and I would have completely ditched the idea that Bruce's knees had lost almost all of their cartilage and therefore avoid the unnecessary complications and potential plotholes that accompanied it.

- The Dagget subplot. Lose it entirely. It was stupid as hell, and weakened Bane's character for the better part of forty five minutes.

- The League of Shadows angle. It added nothing to the film. Sorry, but "full circle" doesn't cut it here.

- Lose John Blake and Mirands Tate completely. The former basically monopolized the better part of the film's second act, and Miranda Tate was so underdeveloped that I couldn't be tortured into giving a **** about her.

- Alfred quitting. I'm sorry, but this is too much. I would have honestly rather seen him die than see him walk away from Bruce. This scene was depressing to me for all the wrong reasons.

 

Offhand, Foley and Dagget are relatively pointless additions. Bane could have had a more direct role, which he did already, and still taken over Wayne Enterprises, and Gordon could easily have taken Foleys role.

I would have given Miranda more conflict, and since Dagget and Foley were gone, given Bane and Talia more interaction together.

 

I have yet to see this movie, but

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I'd open the movie before the official prologue. The scene would be some rich businessman who hired Bane and his men. His compound would be heavily fortified; he'd have just ratted out Bane's group and be under the protection of the law. Bane would appear from the shadows, kill him, then vanish into the night.

In regards to Catwoman

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I'd have Bane hire her outside of the country to head into Gotham City, to gather evidence that would implicate Harvey Dent in the Two-Face murders.

In regards to Bane

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He'd pick Gotham because America and her allies would view Dent as a hero. The Dent Act would be considered for other countries, to help them combat crime. Bane would see himself as a liberator of the people by making an example of Gotham. He'd have been previously imprisoned by the League of Shadows for his father's crimes. He'd have rejoined them later to drive a schism in the League, taking some of their membership with him to form his splinter group.

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I would have Talia as someone interested in persuing her father's interests in a slightly less extremist fasion. This would include her interests in environmentally friendly energy and getting Bruce to give back to Gotham as his parents did.

I still have yet to see this film, but it sounds like its at least on par with TDK, or perhaps similar to Batman Begins, on a wider scale. These are just my preferences.

 

I would have actually included Alfred in the middle of the film instead of having him apparently teleport to Mars for an hour and 30 minutes.

 

Burma.

What with it being tangerine season and all.

 

I deduce that Alfred was holed up in the batbunker with a 6 month supply of fritos.

 

Yup. I cant believe nolan edited this?? I mean, its like he wasnt trying with some of the glaringly obvious plot holes. I said in the other thread, something feels off about it. Almost like he handed in an original 3 plus hour epic that wouldve been a lot better, and WB stepped in. IDK, thats all I got.

 

Alfred. I thought his character wasnt handled that well

 

I wouldve eliminated the John blake running around aimlessly in act 2 in favor of seeing more of banes actual effect on the people of gotham. The trailers and posters gave a sense of revolution. WTF happened? What did all the prisoners do that escaped from blackgate with semi automatics? Also wouldve intertwined this with more gordon and more bruce struggling in the prison. That Prison stuff had SO MUCH dramatic potential. It was decent dont get me wrong, but the focus kept getting taken off of it by the constant cuts to blake doing...whatever it was blake was doing. IDK I gotta see it again. Everyone I went with loved it and I admit I got quite emotional at certain spots, but to say this couldve been so much more is an understatement.

 

Changes I would make.

Keep the 8 year gap.
But Bruce is not a recluse. He isnt very active with the handling of Wayne enterprises though, and has left that up to Fox and Miranda Tate who he has grown close to.
He spends most his time in the Cave on the Batcomputer, where in an Oracle type role, he monitors Gotham and is Gordon's silent helper in keeping the crime rate low.
keep the rest the same till......

When he returns to Gotham after "rising" from the pit. he appears to Selina as BATMAN. Not Bruce, [which was a WTF moment for me] and asks Selina for help in Breaking Fox out of imprisonment so Fox can prepare for the return of the fusion reactor.

The fusion reactor doesnt get turned into a time bomb. That becomes plan B for Bane and Talia once they realize it cant be detonated with the switch.
Gordon's device that stopped the device from being remotely detonated causes the Bomb to tick down from mere minutes.
Banes mask cannot be repaired and he is dying. Talia races off to make sure their plan to fulfil her fathers dream of detroying Gotham will come to fruition.
Bats is left stabbed and struggling to free himself from being tied on the neck., Catwoman comes in, helps him up and the rest plays out the way it did in the film.

Thats what I wished happened anway.

 

Oh, I'm quite sure they each knew who the other was...it was just poorly handled with allusions to "this or that friend"

 

I agree with all this, except for Alred quitting. His motivations made sense to me and it got our favorite butler out of danger. Oh, and get rid of Foley, too. He added nothing.

 

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I find it amusing that Nolan said that they were finally going to address the wealth aspect of Bruce's character, only to have him lose all of his money thirty minutes in.

I thought we were going to see him put his money towards philanthropic endeavors.

 

Nope, that would have been an evolution of his character, and we can't have that.

Ugh.

 

And apparently, Miranda helping Bruce continue in his father's philanthropic footsteps =

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Trying to get him to fund her fusion reactor project, to which he says no.

Gripping cinema.

 

Ugh.