what would you like to see in season 2 of Wolverine and the X-Men

As for Cyclops, I found him much more interesting as a heavily burdened character. We could have very easily made this a pissing contest between him and Wolverine over leadership. Then he would have been angry all the time, going nose to nose with Wolverine, and as a result, probably becoming unlikable. But seeing him at his lowest, watching him struggle with his emotions and his responsibilities, while we cheer for him to become the hero we all know he is, that’s an arc worth tuning in for.
Except in this particular version he was never a hero at all, couldn't even get past a basic training simulation, couldn't defeat a villain who was five feet in front of him, never learned to stand on his own two feet, displayed zero likability even by emo standards, couldn't hold his temper when some random biker with claws started scoping out his girlfriend (and she might not even care about Cycke that much to begin with) and had virtually no positive growth at all throughout the season. We can't honestly "cheer for him to become the hero we all know he is" because he's clearly not the hero they expect us to believe he is and, at this rate, he'll probably never be the hero he's supposed to be.

Still, an admirable insight into Johnson's brain.
 
http://news.toonzone.net/articles/3...views-greg-johnson-on-wolverine-and-the-x-men



Major thanks for Greg for speaking with me. And really all the Marvel animation voice actors, writers, and producers are incredibly awesome people. My one regret is not interviewing Jamie Simone (voice over director). I was talking to him at the Marvel booth and I think he would've made a great interview.

I also have to thank Dread because I feel his amazing, thought out and well written arguments about the show inspired I feel the direction of my questions and topics for my Convention interviews. Even though while I don't agree with many of Dread's points, I wanted to see how the creators felt about the ideas and arguments fans such as Dread has brought up before. And not to single Dread out either because other fans have expressed similar views about the show as well.

Thanks for the acknowledgments. While I naturally don't always have an opinion that is completely unique from someone else, I do usually spend a lot of time explaining, trying to explain, or over-explaining my position or perspective. I did notice a lot of my talking points in your questions, although they are points others raise too, and it was nice to have some of the crew respond. Johnson did go into many of them in some detail.

Despite my criticisms of WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN's first season, it's not a bad show and even at worst, saying it is "only above average" still means it is better than most cartoon shows on TV and especially on NickToons. I am glad it is getting a second season to address things and continue onwards. Whether 13 episodes or 26 a season, it isn't uncommon for even the best shows to not be at their prime from Season One. Even SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN, a show I champion, was not the best it could be in Season One (Season Two has been better, as good as that show started off). Neither was the 2k3 TMNT (that show's prime was Seasons 3-4 probably). There are plenty of characters that were handled well and a good serious tone for much of it. And a very serialized story.

Johnson did say some good things about Colossus. I was typing a Colossus Animation Retrospective on another site last year and noted that while in X-MEN EVOLUTION he had the most episode appearances of any X-Men cartoon so far (8-9 episodes), he didn't accomplish as much in them as he did in two episodes of the 90's show (across it's first two seasons). The question came up of whether for a B or C list character, is it better to show up often but do little of consequence, or only to show up once or twice but for it to be a grand thing every time? Ideally, a mix of both is the goal, but usually the latter it usually better. As much as I missed Colossus in Season One of W&TXM and thought he had a place, I do understand that having him around but, say, do less than Forge or Iceman did would have been a drag. It does sound that they have a, "we'll bring him in when we can do him right" philosophy which at least is a step up from EVOLUTION's usage of him. Again, he hasn't been the star of an episode, really, since 1994's "Red Dawn" episode.

It doesn't surprise me that the pitch for the show started as a WOLVERINE solo series. I can understand why it shifted, though. To a network and a corporate company, the entire X-Men even as background to Wolverine are more appealing than Logan alone. Johnson at least has a point when he mentions many episodes that did not star Logan. Ironically, many of those were actually better, as if there was more creative freedom or some sort of exhale of narrative talent. Perhaps they envision this show as a more serious BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD. Much as that show uses Batman as the A-List bait to introduce an audience to many lessor known DC characters (and Batman easily is just as overexposed across comics and media as Wolverine is, perhaps more so since he had a good 20+ year head start), maybe they envision Wolverine doing the same here with X-characters. The results have varied. But it isn't a completely illogical approach. The execution of it, though, for Season One sometimes waxed and waned.

I do think there was a little less internal team tension with Logan as leader as some of the writers intended, and I wonder if that was something that occurred in the frantic "editing for time" that exists in TV animation, where you barely have 19-20 whole minutes an episode to do what may be an intense plot. And I admit that I probably would have preferred "the pissing contest" between he and Wolverine than what he got, but of course that's my opinion and taste. I think that would have accomplished the show's pitch themes better than the overplaying of the sad sack card. I do still think Logan is a little bit of a hypocrite unless in Season 2 he doesn't chew Colossus out for a personal quest mission since he is almost as "indestructable" as Logan is, perhaps in some ways more so. Logan can heal, true, but he can't as easily get up from a grenade to the chest like Piotr can. The dilemma with what they were trying to portray with Cyclops was that in order for some of us to swallow the "fallen hero in turmoil" angle, there had to be a sense that he was once a hero, that he was once a pro. I didn't get that impression from Season One. All it would have taken, in episode 20, was a still panel flashback picture and Frost saying two lines, like, "and with Jean settling your turmoil, you did live up to Xavier's dreams and ideals for the team, at least until...", throw in a few nice notes of music, and done. Anime does that all the time. Again, maybe it was a time limit thing, I don't know. But it wasn't there, and the only picture we got of Cyke in Season 1 was negative. While "we all know" he may be a hero, but every show has to work on it's own terms, and I don't think Season 1 executed that angle as well as it could have.

Unless of course being a hero is occasionally being guilted or obligated to show up for a mission, and blasting Avalanche into a wall.

But, we do have another season, at least, to address these problems. One could perhaps claim that because Cyclops' esteem was effected, he only showed Frost his worst moments, rather than his successes, which he dismissed.

I do hope Season Two addresses the faults. With writing up another level this could be an epic. It was great of Johnson to be so candid, though. It was insightful.
 
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DMRadz, probably not for a while. They are only about halfway through season 1 in the states. From the tone and speaking with the guys at Con, it sounds like they are just starting to do season 2 and haven't recorded it yet.

In another interview I think Johnson stated once season 1 is over they will talk more about season 1.

Still only half way through? Geez. Its been on since January hasn't it?
 
DMRadz, it was more like March. My hope though is now that they've started airing more episodes they can get them done in a pretty straight shot before the end of the year.

I mean, all the episodes are done and in the can.
 
Why weren't they done in a straight shot before?
 
Its probably how Nicktoons programmers wanted to schedule it and spread it out more.
 
Well... At least I have several other shows coming in the fall that can hold me over.
 
Is it me or are some of the character designs here based somewhat upon the character designs from the Ultimates X-Men universe?
 
Some. Others are variations on how the characters look in their mainstream 616.
 
I dunno, I haven't noticed any characters that outright look like their Ultimate counterparts. There was some of that with Evolution, but like Dread said this series went more for a 616 look. Most of the X-men's costumes were basically Cassaday's re-designed costumes for Astonishing.
 
Indeed. Wolverine, Emma Frost, Beast, and Shadowcat's costumes all look like Cassaday's designs, albeit with some details added like a coat for Beast. Cyclops' design is Cassaday's, just with a grey trench. Storm, Colossus, and Nightcrawler's designs all look akin to other 616 designs. Iceman's seems a but more of an original costume, but he's always had some generic ones under his ice form. Forge is also an original design. Honestly the only real "Ultimate X-Men" design was Toad, and maybe some brief cameo shots of Mastermind. The rest are either original designs or variations of 616 designs. Steven E. Gordon remained much closer to the comics for these designs than for X-MEN EVOLUTION.

I'd say Cassaday's art from ASTONISHING X-MEN was perhaps the biggest inspiration. Heck, Master Mold was arguably made to resemble his design for Danger.
 
There's just something about the way they draw Jean Grey in this series that reminds me of how she looked in Ultimates, this shot in particular -

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Maybe it's just the shorter hair, maybe I'm just crazy. And whenever I see Cycke in civilian gear, he looks somewhat like his Ultimates self. But again, maybe I'm just crazy.



I wonder how a non-amnesiac Jean might have reacted to a Cyclops who'd had all his memories of her erased from his brain...
 
I wouldn't say that having Scott walk around in a t-shirt is specifically an Ultimate design. Jean's hairstyle is similar but there are many ways to design short hair.
 
Well I was referring more to the way they draw his face & hair than his shirt. Sorry I wasn't clearer about that.

Hmm, thread's kind of slow lately, isn't it?
 
There's just something about the way they draw Jean Grey in this series that reminds me of how she looked in Ultimates, this shot in particular -

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Maybe it's just the shorter hair, maybe I'm just crazy. And whenever I see Cycke in civilian gear, he looks somewhat like his Ultimates self. But again, maybe I'm just crazy.



I wonder how a non-amnesiac Jean might have reacted to a Cyclops who'd had all his memories of her erased from his brain...
Hmm I dunno. I think if Jean was really lost she would want Scott to move on and be happy. However, I think it was a bad decision on Scott's part. But it was a flaw I liked. He thought it was hopeless and he thought it was the only way he could let go and give himself some peace.
 
Hmm I dunno. I think if Jean was really lost she would want Scott to move on and be happy. However, I think it was a bad decision on Scott's part. But it was a flaw I liked. He thought it was hopeless and he thought it was the only way he could let go and give himself some peace.
Which is why I'm curious as to how it might have played out to have Scott with the amnesia & Jean not with the amnesia.

So, how many fans of the show want to see Scott hook up with a resurrected Emma Frost (his current girlfriend of the comics anyway) and how many don't?
 
I'm a Scott and Jean fan forever. But that doesn't mean I don't want Emma back, she was one of the most interesting characters in the show, but just don't put her with Cyclops.
 
I don't want to necessarily have Scott hook up with Emma. But I want the issue to come up where Emma is re-assembled and returns to the team so then you have the dynamic of Scott being back with Jean who is alive, but then Emma is now there as well. And that spark between them is undeniable. I never bought into Scott and Jean as this perfect lovey dovey couple. Emma and Scott there seems to be this more equal and stronger dynamic.
 
I never ever got the feeling that Scott was into Emma in anyway. She obviously cared for him, but the only reason she ever registered with him is because she brought up Jean. I'd want Scott and Jean to stay together happily, but bring back Emma. It would be great if they had Emma and Jean hate each other... and, shockingly, we'd get to see two X-men interact with each other!
 
Just thought I'd mention it again, but for Season 2 I wouldn't mind if Beast got a focus episode. Iceman either, but if given the choice between the two, I would pick Beast. Maybe include Iceman since they were both founding X-Men and always used to get along. Beast rarely gets more than one or two focus episodes in X-Men shows but they usually are always good, because he is a fun, well rounded character. Plus, it'd allow Fred Tatasciore to shine without having to scream his lungs out as Hulk. ;)

As for Scott/Jean/Emma, as I have noted elsewhere in this topic and others, I have never been an especially strong fan of Jean. I wouldn't want a writer to dramatically change her, but I usually found her boring. She usually was more interesting to me in depictions when she had a little more spunk, such as in X-MEN EVOLUTION or Millar's initial launch of Ultimate X-Men. Her simply being the good, optimistic den-mother isn't usually enough, especially as Storm usually fills that role and has more quirks to her (whether being an assertive goddess, a weirdo punk girl with a mohawk "inspired" by Yukio, or whatever). Emma is rather mixed up emotionally herself, having her own selfish desires and secrets but still wanting to do good, or at least to try to, which makes her fit a bit with Cyclops. Especially this show's version of Cyclops.

The dilemma is making said dynamic work. I would imagine Scott and Jean would be together at the start of Season One, although Logan would still presumably be leading the X-Men because he'd reassembled them for this long, and as episode 20 showed, Cyclops was never more than barely competent even WITH Jean telling him what to do all the time. If Frost returns, any pangs Cyclops would feel towards her would make him seem like a complete cad because he had abandoned his team physically and then often emotionally over Jean in Season 1. He didn't for one moment return any of Frost's affection toward him because he was hung up on Jean. If Scott turns away from her for even one moment in Season 2, it won't make him look good. The audience will not sympathize with him. You can't make your entire life miserable and endanger the entire planet over moping about one girl, simply to abandon her immediately after you find her, and expect to be a star draw.

The only way to do this without having Scott be a cad is to work with Jean being "curious" about Wolverine and perhaps that making Scott feel jealous or bitter, even if Logan doesn't return Jean's "curiosity". Logan wouldn't have to date Jean; Jean merely being "curious" about him was enough to shatter Cyclops' fragile ego before. It would make Logan seem like a home-wrecker even by accident; while that is true to Logan's character, this show usually has an idealized, "nothing but the strengths" version of Logan, and I doubt that is seriously changing. I very much am counting on Cyclops looking like a cad, but that could be forgiven if it goes somewhere good.

Maybe that is the other reason Frost has grown on me with Scott. Others sometimes accuse me of seeing Cyclops through rose color glasses; I don't. I know he's funked out on the team over Jean issues in the comics. I know he's a deadbeat father. I know he abandoned his clone wife and all but drove her to form demonic deals out of grief (fortunately, as a clone made by Mr. Sinister, at the time she didn't bring much sympathy, especially when she sparked INFERNO and wanted to sacrifice her own babe. Still, it is basically akin to a man being such an a-hole to his wife that she grabs a gun, takes her baby to the roof of a building and sparks a police frenzy threatening murder/suicide. Yes, it is her baggage, but they usually would at least be curious about the cause; people would even blame the man for being an a-hole to his wife to spark it). More recently, Cyclops has become quite a hard case, no longer having qualms about asking teenagers to kill, and feel no remorse for it. The same Scott who used to look down on Logan for being a savage combatant now exploits that to terminate some threats. Frost's as screwed up as he is, and they have their own twisted abomination romance that is at least never as boring as, "SCOTT!" "JEAN!" usually is. The only screwed up thing Jean did was be possessed by an alien force, which is more being a victim than being deliberately flawed. More like...Logan, the eternal victim of Weapon X or someone else controlling him. But I digress.

With Jean, Scott is trying to live up to her standards, which may be too high for him; Jean doesn't think they are, but they probably are. Frost encourages him to be his inner jerk. The choice is either a co-dependent relationship with a Princess Toadstool type, or a functionally disturbing relationship with a Catwoman type.
 
I think this version of Scott needs some anger management counseling before either resuming a relationship with Jean or pursuing a resurrected Emma. Maybe some joint couple counseling with Jean in general. :cwink:

Interesting post as always Dread.

I wonder why, during the EVOLUTION series run, they never actually experimented with what would happen if Cycke tried dating the gothic Rogue and seeing how the Evo. Jean would react (since we all know it wouldn't have impacted the comics)... did they fear a bad reaction from fans, or was it simply never meant to be more than a "We're just messing with your heads" subplot? For that matter, what if this series made Jean a little less perfect (at least from what little we see of her anyway)? What I mean by that is what if Jean were the one being jealous & over-reacting to Scott's interaction with some other female team-mate (I'm leaning towards Storm in this hypothetical questioning here, since Storm's the only female member in the same age range as Scott & Jean it seems).
 
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I think this version of Scott needs some anger management counseling before either resuming a relationship with Jean or pursuing a resurrected Emma. Maybe some joint couple counseling with Jean in general. :cwink:

But who would run such theoretical sessions without Xavier around (since he only seems to have time to speak to Wolverine from the future, even if just to discuss bad dreams he had). Forge? :p

One imagines Beast or Storm could try to, but they're hardly licensed, or objective. I suppose an episode where you had Scott, Jean, Storm, and Wolverine trying to console each other with Beast as a moderator their various relationship issues with the opposite sex, it could write itself. The question is if it would be exciting enough for the 6-12 crowd the network wants.

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Interesting post as always Dread.

I wonder why, during the EVOLUTION series run, they never actually experimented with what would happen if Cycke tried dating the gothic Rogue and seeing how the Evo. Jean would react (since we all know it wouldn't have impacted the comics)... did they fear a bad reaction from fans, or was it simply never meant to be more than a "We're just messing with your heads" subplot? For that matter, what if this series made Jean a little less perfect (at least from what little we see of her anyway)? What I mean by that is what if Jean were the one being jealous & over-reacting to Scott's interaction with some other female team-mate (I'm leaning towards Storm in this hypothetical questioning here, since Storm's the only female member in the same age range as Scott & Jean it seems).

While I am not an expert, I do think that Kid's WB as a network gave the X-Men Evolution production crew a bit more hassle, at least within the first two seasons, than any network gave Kyle, Johnson, Yost & Co. in Season 1 of W&TXM. I remember writers mentioning that was why Spyke was in such limbo until season 3; Kid's WB literally would not allow them to do their storyline for the character (which was to have him "transform" into a more monstrous form) from the start like they originally wanted. Kid's WB in 2000-2003 was still quite a mighty TV force and they had strict control over what they had. Even Bruce Timm chose to bring his shows to Cartoon Network after BATMAN BEYOND (which was his mea culpa to a network that wanted to either make Batman younger or have him lead a teenage team).

That said, you also have to consider that at the time, this was only the second X-Men cartoon, trying to capitalize on the sudden success of the Fox movie; even at $80 million for a summer blockbuster, it was the first major comic film of the time and it's success was a pleasant surprise. There were the fans of the comics to consider, especially as Scott/Emma was not even a dynamic until after Evolution was good and going for a few seasons. Scott and Jean were a couple in the film, too.

To be honest, considering the time, I thought the Evolution crew took quite a few risks with the relationships as they could. They depicted Scott and Jean as having been friends and teammates for long enough that the idea of seeing each other as something more was awkward for both of them. Besides Rogue, both of them dated other characters in the show; Scott dated a girl named Taryn for a bit in Season 2, and Jean was also seeing Duncan Matthews, the Bayville High version of Flash Thompson (only less noble). While Scott was clearly hung up on Jean for a while, Jean usually needed someone else to be interested in Scott for her own interest to bubble; some compared her to Rachael from FRIENDS. She never admitted Scott was "cute" until Kitty was gushing about it on the Blackbird early on. Jean only started getting jealous when Taryn was interested in Scott. As for Rogue and Scott, on that show I believe either Johnson or Boyd Kirkland claimed that they were similar characters and that was why they were often paired together. They both came from broken homes and had powers that limited their ability to connect to other people, whether being unable to touch anyone or unable to take off a pair of glasses or visors. They were both introverts to match, only Scott began the show having been with the X-Men enough to begin coming out of his shell, while Rogue started from square one. Trust issues were also big for Rogue, and Cyclops was often trying to help her, and never lied to her, even when she was with the "Brotherhood" and even Xavier at least tactically saw her as a potential enemy. Much as with Frost it is okay for Scott to be a jerk or a bit dark, for Rogue in Evolution, it was alright for Scott to be introverted; Jean was more BWOC in Evolution. She was still kind and moral at heart, and still a heroine, but was a bit more assertive and had more spunk. Scott was competitive as an X-Man (which was why he became squad leader without Xavier setting up a meeting to tell everyone Cyclops was squad leader), but was shy in his personal life; Jean by contrast not only has seniority with the X-Men, but was a soccer athlete in her civilian life.

I can't answer for the Evolution writers as for why they didn't officially pair Rogue and Scott up there. It is possible that some writers on the staff saw the two as close friends, rather than lovers. On the other hand, there were episodes where Rogue was very clearly crushing on Cyclops, just wasn't as obvious about it to him or Jean. It seems many shows will develop "shippers" where writers may or may not intend; lord knows when TEEN TITANS was airing, many fans wanted to ditch the comics and have Robin get with Raven, rather than Starfire. Or, of course, saw Beast Boy and Raven as a couple. At any rate, they saw Jean and Scott as the ideal couple and to their credit they built it up properly for three seasons. Rogue would eventually feel that Gambit was easy on the eyes, although ironically in "Cajun Spice" he started on the wrong foot by exploiting her for her power, something nearly all the creeps in her life did. Of course, the reason she ultimately joined the X-Men was when it became obvious that they wished to genuinely help her, even if she wasn't a loyal member of their side, unlike the Brotherhood.

I did read on a website that supposedly there was a hint of what you were getting at in the final episode of Evolution, where Xavier's "Future Vision" has the adult X-Men all lined up, and Rogue is noticably standing next to Cyclops, and Jean is not present (she is turning into Dark Phoenix in another Vision).

EVOLUTION and WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN are different shows, even if they share writers, designers/artists, and even some voice actors.
 
I want to see Cyclops and Xavier have a meaningful conversation, away from Wolverine. I thought they handled there relationship really poorly. I mean, Xavier makes Logan leader of the X-men, without justifying it to Scott (heck, I even don't know why it had to be Wolverine), and the one time they had a conversation Logan was there with them, and Xavier was apparently so annoyed that Scott might not want to kill Jean that he totally disregarded him. Bad form, and they need to fix that.
 
I want to see Cyclops and Xavier have a meaningful conversation, away from Wolverine. I thought they handled there relationship really poorly. I mean, Xavier makes Logan leader of the X-men, without justifying it to Scott (heck, I even don't know why it had to be Wolverine), and the one time they had a conversation Logan was there with them, and Xavier was apparently so annoyed that Scott might not want to kill Jean that he totally disregarded him. Bad form, and they need to fix that.
Agreed.

And I think we all want some Beast focus.

And it's true what Dread said, fans will spot "ships" where there are no "ships" to be spotted, just in their heads.

I wonder if they'd ever dare try incorporating some Colossus/Kitty stuff when they bring Colossus in...
 
I want to see Cyclops and Xavier have a meaningful conversation, away from Wolverine. I thought they handled there relationship really poorly. I mean, Xavier makes Logan leader of the X-men, without justifying it to Scott (heck, I even don't know why it had to be Wolverine), and the one time they had a conversation Logan was there with them, and Xavier was apparently so annoyed that Scott might not want to kill Jean that he totally disregarded him. Bad form, and they need to fix that.

I do agree that at best, the Xavier/Scott dynamic was not consistent. The "father/son" dynamic went instead to Logan; Xavier even calls him "son" at one point. I am always bemused by the fact that if Wolverine is such a terrific character, and he can be, why he is always outright stealing character dynamics from other X-Men in some comics or cartoons. I suppose the intention was to offer a "change", but the problem of the set up of the show is we saw so little of the "normal" X-Men that when they are immediately broken down, we don't know from what. The producers claim they were working from an idealized X-Men "you all know", but that is a cop-out. This show, like all comic cartoons, picks and chooses the best continuity and storyline bits from mainstream 616, the movies, prior cartoons and even Ultimate X-Men to weave together it's own bible. You cannot assume "it was just like it was in the comics". The idea was noble; they didn't want to "bore" people with too many episodes of set up since, they assumed after two cartoons and three films, the audience is aware of the premise and the main archetypes. The problem is building anything without a foundation may be faster, but it isn't as stable. I sensed that struggle throughout season one; that tug of war between characterization and plot/action oriented storyline with a check-list of what had to happen and who had to show up. More often than not in Season One, the latter won out. It isn't unusual for such struggles to occur in any 20 minute episode show or a debut season, but it is something I hope has been worked out for Season Two. I imagine no end of scripts had to be cut for time; many episodes were packed to the gills.

From what the show showed us, in the beginning Scott was Xavier's pet student, the one he seemed to reach out to and encourage the most...because Xavier had to; Scott was inept and introverted. However as the show goes on we see that Xavier has started to reach out more to Logan. Some saw it as simple necessity; Logan was the one willing to pull the team together, not Cyclops, and there was a whole time-line to save. Ideally the proper leadership back-up for Cyclops was usually Storm, but she doesn't sell as many action figures. There were moments where Future Xavier was quite cold towards Cyclops; when he, gasp, balked at Xavier seeing no option to deal with Phoenix rather than kill her in cold blood, Xavier shut him out of a psychic communication so abruptly that even Logan was caught off guard by it.

Therefore, my impression was that Xavier was disgusted with Scott in this show, seeing him as a pet student he once invested years of attention to who never met his potential when it mattered. Or even when it didn't. When Logan started to reach that pillar of being an X-Man with far less coddling in a far worse situation, it was natural for Xavier to then gravitate toward him.

Agreed.

And I think we all want some Beast focus.

And it's true what Dread said, fans will spot "ships" where there are no "ships" to be spotted, just in their heads.

I wonder if they'd ever dare try incorporating some Colossus/Kitty stuff when they bring Colossus in...

They could. Season One hinted at Kitty and Bobby being a "couple" but they didn't seem so exclusive that a triangle couldn't be formed with Colossus. Considering that virtually every other "X-Couple" from the comics has been seen as destined kismet by at least one or two cartoons so far (Scott/Jean, Rogue/Gambit, even Archangel/Psylocke showed up in the 90's show, very awkwardly), it always is stunning that Colossus/Kitty is virtually abandoned. Granted, Kitty wasn't even a cameo in the 90's show. EVOLUTION was really the show where it would have worked out as teen drama, but that ship has sailed. I mean even JOSS WHEDON liked it, people!

Usually in cartoons, all Colossus has been is a big metal guy who cares about his family, and nothing but his family. It would be good if he stuck around WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN's second season to do something else. Even Clark Kent occasionally flirts with Lois Lane. It is about time a cartoon tried to make him a genuine character, not a nice design, and we'll have to see if W&TXM season two is it. It would be an area where it could improve on what was done or not done the last two shows.
 

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