The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die?

[Superhero 101]

What if Gwen Is killed off early in the Third by one By Goblin. They Should have MJ introduced in ASM2 and once Gwen Dies MJ is kind of there to console Peter and in the end of ASM3 we know very subtly, that MJ and Peter end uptogether

 

[Havok83]

What if Gwen Is killed off early in the Third by one By Goblin. They Should have MJ introduced in ASM2 and once Gwen Dies MJ is kind of there to console Peter and in the end of ASM3 we know very subtly, that MJ and Peter end uptogether

I think it would be awful to killl her at the beginning of a film considering its such a climatic moment. It would be anticlimatic to start off early with that

What if they do something completely different though and start ASM2 with Pete together and in love with MJ and MJ dies in the movie, leading to a reunion with Gwen in 3? It definetly would be a twist on how things played out in the past and not what people would expect

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

What if they do something completely different though and start ASM2 with Pete together and in love with MJ and MJ dies in the movie, leading to a reunion with Gwen in 3? It definetly would be a twist on how things played out in the past and not what people would expect

That just seems like a twist for the sake of being a twist.

Considering the fact that the death of Gwen Stacy is a story that already exists and can already be predicted, the only way to make it work is to give it some effect. Everyone knew Uncle Ben was going to die. And for a lot of people, that moment still had impact.

The death of Gwen Stacy is lesser known among crowds, and even if people dig deep and find out, it becomes a matter of making it work and hitting home the emotion of the scene.

 

[Tanin]

I want Gwen to die in Act 2 and have the entirety of Act 3 be Pete venting his rage on Norman for what he has done.

 

[Spade]

With Norman in the shadows, the Lizard formula still a viable cure, and Peter breaking his promise, it feels inevitable that they'll give us the story that ended the Silver Age of comics. But I'm not sure they should. Amazing has a lot of sad moments. Do we really need to see Peter curled in the fetal position for two more movies? This is going to be a pretty depressing trilogy if everyone in Peter's personal life up and dies on him.

 

[Radioactive]

I think it would be awful to killl her at the beginning of a film considering its such a climatic moment. It would be anticlimatic to start off early with that

Agreed with this.

Btw, nice..um..avvy you've got there.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

With Norman in the shadows, the Lizard formula still a viable cure, and Peter breaking his promise, it feels inevitable that they'll give us the story that ended the Silver Age of comics. But I'm not sure they should. Amazing has a lot of sad moments. Do we really need to see Peter curled in the fetal position for two more movies? This is going to be a pretty depressing trilogy if everyone in Peter's personal life up and dies on him.

I get the impression that Peter Parker would grow and learn over the course of the franchise, so that doesn't necessarily have to entail the deaths of his loved ones throughout. Gwen's death would mean Peter having to learn to be careful with his identity and with whoever knows about it.

 

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

Hi, guys. What's going on?
*See thread title*
I'm in trouble.

 

[Jexx]

"I'm in trouble.."

Quote from the movie?
So, who's getting The Look?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I hope they don't have her die in the second movie...it'd be too soon I'm just so used to Emma as Gwen now since she...made me become interested in who Gwen really is in the comics...but knowing what happens to her in the end is tragic that I'd rather have one full movie and a half with Emma Stone as Gwen Stacey.

 

[COMPO]

^I concur, I want one more film with Emma before she dies, she's a fun character and a good actress and really refreshing take on the superhero love interest. I enjoyed watching her and... I'M NOT READY FOR HER TO DIE! :'(

But to be honest, I think her dying in the beginning of number 3 could work and sort of deal with Peter's guilt of not keeping his promise culminating in that with Uncle Ben. But I'd rather have her die, maybe in the middle like Racheal Dawes in the Dark Knight, that way we see how Peter deals with that and how he kind of pushes Aunt May and maybe others away and goes down a sort of path of vengeance and leads to a battle to the death between Spidey and the Goblin.

 

[Dragon]

I hope they don't have her die in the second movie...it'd be too soon I'm just so used to Emma as Gwen now since she...made me become interested in who Gwen really is in the comics...but knowing what happens to her in the end is tragic that I'd rather have one full movie and a half with Emma Stone as Gwen Stacey.

You make the point that alot of people have been missing lo all these years.

Most folks who dismiss Gwen as being a body on a bridge that Peter is weeping over do so because they didn't read the comics in real time and come to understand who she was or care about her. She's just a flashback for anyone who started reading the comics after the mid-seventies.

But with this film, people are getting to know and care about the character, which is why Sony might opt not to kill her. Another thing folks miss is that her death in the comics was meant to be a gimmick to create greater interest (which failed) at a time when sales were slowing and because the writer on the book didn't like Gwen's character and felt he couldn't do anything with Peter in a relationship. It's the same reason that the writers continually jettisoned MJ over the years and that the marriage has since been annulled by Satan.

At the same time, with this movie's questionable box office performance, Sony might also be thinking they need to go back to the drawng board altogether.

 

[KangConquers]

You make the point that alot of people have been missing lo all these years.

Most folks who dismiss Gwen as being a body on a bridge that Peter is weeping over do so because they didn't read the comics in real time and come to understand who she was or care about her. She's just a flashback for anyone who started reading the comics after the mid-seventies.

But with this film, people are getting to know and care about the character, which is why Sony might opt not to kill her. Another thing folks miss is that her death in the comics was meant to be a gimmick to create greater interest (which failed) at a time when sales were slowing and because the writer on the book didn't like Gwen's character and felt he couldn't do anything with Peter in a relationship. It's the same reason that the writers continually jettisoned MJ over the years and that the marriage has since been annulled by Satan.

At the same time, with this movie's questionable box office performance, Sony might also be thinking they need to go back to the drawng board altogether.

No one expected this movie to do $1 B. It's already at $400 M, and will probably fall in the $800 M range ww. That's not "questionable." If it stopped before $500 M, it'd be "questionable."

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No, 800 m is terrible even though only 4 other comic book movies have accomplished that benchmark in movie history.

/sarcasm

 

[boocherhix]

My vote is for introducing MJ at some point in the 2nd film, while still focusing on Peter & Gwen's relationship/Peter's promise to her Dad. If memory serves her death in the comics was pretty much exactly like the scene in Raimi's original on the bridge. So, I think it should be changed, at least by location, still leaving Peter the choice. That way he has the guilt/responsibility angle. Gwen dies in the 3rd act. MJ isnt romantic interest in the 2nd film but is enough of a new friend that she's there for him at the end, even if it's just a small scene with her hand on his shoulder or something. If they wait til the 3rd movie to have her die, it wouldn't give adequate time for the shift to MJ, even if they don't really explore much of that romance(cuz really, we've already seen enough of it, right?) I think the 3rd movie needs to be Peter moving on/coming to terms with his role in Gwen's death, etc. And also dealing with growing feelings for MJ and not wanting to repeat with a new girl. I would watch the hell out of that.

 

[Scarlettess]

No one expected this movie to do $1 B. It's already at $400 M, and will probably fall in the $800 M range ww. That's not "questionable." If it stopped before $500 M, it'd be "questionable."

Actually it's already $500 M so it's well on its way to doing at least $700. Also when you take into consideration the amount of hate this movie had even before it hit the screens, it's doing very successful. Even Sony said it was beyond their expectations so there you have it. A win/win for all.

on an OT note, will ASM still be showing next week or will IMAX only be showing TDKR form then on? me and my mate were wanting to go see both in the same day in IMAX but I don't know if that will actually be possible.

 

[warhorse78]

I'd rather have Gwen live and MJ never even be part of this installment. We have three movies of Mary Jane, let's try something new, and more likable. And, I'm a movie watcher, not a comic book reader.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

the mj of those 3 movies was hardly "mj"

 

[Jexx]

You make the point that alot of people have been missing lo all these years.

It's a lot.

This error bugs me SO much.

 

[Scarilian]

Personally i`ld like her death in the second film but i feel it wouldnt give us enough time to evaluate Norman Osborn as a threat plus i dont want the second film just to be a rehash of Spider-man 1.

TASM 2;

MJ mentioned only as someone Aunt May compares Gwen to.
Flash and Peter`s relationship is developed more with mentions to why Peter and Flash are now friends, including Flash`s admiration for Spider-man.

The man in the end scene interogates Connors and gets the Lizard formula and experiments on it giving it to Norman Osborn. The new villain for the film is Vulture, Norman`s business rival. Peter interogates Vulture about his involvement in the death of his parents.

End credit scene tease Green Gobling as Norman uses the Syrum

TASM 3;

Peter having discovered from the Vulture that Norman knows something about his parents confronts Norman who threatens him. Norman realises that Peter is a huge threat to him and his business and orders his thugs to attack him, wounding him (Before he knocks them unconcious) On TV Norman spots Spider-man also wounded and realises Peter is Spider-man.

Norman as Green Goblin (Using it to shield his identity) kidnaps Gwen to get Spider-man to fight him. He throws Gwen off the bridge and Peter tries to catch her however the web pulls and snaps her neck. The Green Goblin escapes.

Peter vows vengance and tracks Green Goblin to an Oscorp bio-weapons factory and the two fight. During the fight the Green Goblin is unmasked as Norman Osborn who tells Peter that if anything happens to him Peter will never know the truth about his parents.

Peter has the chance to kill Norman Osborn but refuses saving him. Police sirens are heard and Norman attacks Peter again however Norman is killed accidentally as Peter knocks him back and Norman falls into a production line of Pumkin bombs which explode presumeably killing him.

The film ends with Peter at Gwens Grave remembering her and Aunt May walks up and kneels beside him with a comforting arm around him as Peter remembers all those he lost.

 

[Steve Sanders]

There will be chance to do the Death of Gwen Stacy story arc. Should it be done exactly like the comics, done different from the comic or not at all?

If they do it when should it happen movie 2 or movie 3?

It should not be done at all.That was the stupidest mistake marvel ever made.If they kill her off it will make Peter look like a selfish jerk going after Gwen for his own selfish desires.

Thats why it was so stupid that they killed her in the comics was after that,he should never have dated mary jane after his love for Gwen was responsible for getting gwen killed and yet,they killed off nice sweet gwendy for that ****,stuck up,air headed,inconsiderate, wild party girl ***** Mary jane.Plain stupid.spidey fans burned their comics after they killed off gwen then.does sony really want to be stupid and antagonize the fans AGAIN?

Peter will be a jerk if they kill Gwen because of his promise he broke to Captain Stacy to stay awy from her.He will be a jerk if they kill her off because his own selfish desires will be responsible for her dying.

Marvel must have a vendetta against the stacys killing them BOTH off like that.

 

[Supa]

It should not be done at all.That was the stupidest mistake marvel ever made.If they kill her off it will make Peter look like a selfish jerk going after Gwen for his own selfish desires.

Thats why it was so stupid that they killed her in the comics was after that,he should never have dated mary jane after his love for Gwen was responsible for getting gwen killed and yet,they killed off nice sweet gwendy for that ****,stuck up,air headed,inconsiderate, wild party girl ***** Mary jane.Plain stupid.spidey fans burned their comics after they killed off gwen then.does sony really want to be stupid and antagonize the fans AGAIN? Peter will be a jerk if they kill Gwen because of his promise he broke to Captain Stacy to stay awy from her.He will be a jerk if they kill her off because his own selfish desires will be responsible for her dying.

You know, call me crazy, but something about this post, not sure what it is, makes me think you didn't approve of the death of Gwen Stacy.

And it really works because she dies of Peter's selfishness. It's like Uncle Ben's death, he was being selfish and people paid for it. Since it happens with Gwen, it really hammers it in that Peter needs to be responsible, or people are gonna pay for it.

 

[Steve Sanders]

the mj of those 3 movies was hardly "mj"

all the more reason why it was stupid to kill off Gwen in the first place.If anything,they should have killed off Mary jane.the stuck up,air headed $lut instead of sweet nice gwendy.Thats one of many things that pissed me off so much about spiderman 2002 was they did not get MJ's character right.

They have never portrayed her character properly in any adpatation.Not the 90's cartoon,not the movies,never!!!! I am hoping this time around with Webb directing they will FINALLY get it right this time.

They always make her into Gwen instead and never the proper Mj everytime and Im getting sick of that. If they kill off gwen again,then at least get it right and show that he is willing to settle for the $lut and air headed girl that MJ was on the comics.stop the hell making her into Gwen Stacy already for god sakes!!!

 

[Steve Sanders]

You know, call me crazy, but something about this post, not sure what it is, makes me think you didn't approve of the death of Gwen Stacy.

And it really works because she dies of Peter's selfishness. It's like Uncle Ben's death, he was being selfish and people paid for it. Since it happens with Gwen, it really hammers it in that Peter needs to be responsible, or people are gonna pay for it.

uh no it doesnt because Peter by that time IS responsible and Gwen was his TRUE love.He only latched on to Mj cause he was on the rebound.It just showed that he was being irresponsible again by latching onto Mj despite what happened to gwen.

you only read part of my post because you missed the part that if they are idiots again and kill her again then that just shows what a jerk peter is and really makes me hate him instead of liking him like I do because again,by ignoring capt stacy,he is a jerk because he is only thinking about his own selfish desires and ignoring the risks. please read the ENTIRE post this time.not just parts.

 

[Supa]

uh no it doesnt because Peter by that time IS responsible and Gwen was his TRUE love.He only latched on to Mj cause he was on the rebound.It just showed that he was being irresponsible again by latching onto Mj despite what happened to gwen.

you only read part of my post because you missed the part that if they are idiots again and kill her again then that just shows what a jerk peter is and really makes me hate him instead of liking him like I do because again,by ignoring capt stacy,he is a jerk because he is only thinking about his own selfish desires and ignoring the risks. please read the ENTIRE post this time.not just parts.

I did read the whole post.
One of the reasons Gwen did die is because people almost completly preferred the more fun MJ over Gwen, even many of the writers, including Stan.

By ignoring Captain Stacy and staying close to Gwen, he's being irresponsible. It's character growth. He and others suffer because he's being selfish, so in return he grows up and is more responsible. A good writer would then have Peter being much more careful about his lovelife in the sequels.
Peter didn't become the incredibly selfless person he is in the comics only because of Uncle Ben. He made mistakes, suffered and learned from them. His growth to a real hero is why we love him