Yes, you said that if Peter is at all to blame then so is Uncle Ben blah blah blah, then I said the difference was that Peter was being selfish while the others were being selfless with their actions. It's not equal at all, because Peter was somewhat responsible for Uncle Ben's death AND his pain/ Aunt May's pain. I'm not saying Peter is completely to blame, the thief is the one who is truly at fault for everyone's pain and Ben's death, but it would be ridiculous to say Peter isn't responsible at all.
We've been over this. It wasn't selfless, because he wasn't putting any thought into those who love him and need while putting his life in danger, he acted on his own selfish view of morality, not caring about the reprecussions his actions would cause for his family. Peter had no way of possibly knowing what would happen, Ben knew perfectly. Both selfish, only in different ways. Them's the facts man.
Umm, no, he wouldn't become a hero if he did not realize that his actions have consequences. It was partly his fault. Not entirely, but his careless actions definitely had some bad consequences. He needs to remember that. For him to think that it wasn't his fault would mean that he is just lying to himself to make him feel better. Obviously he will grow and realize that nothing will bring Uncle Ben back, if that is what you are saying then I agree with that, but he must always remember that many people can get hurt if he doesn't use his powers to do the right thing.
Understanding that actions have consequences is one thing, (and what I think Peter learned from Uncle Ben's death), and guilt in the beginning hammered that home, because, like I said, he should feel guilty, but trying to right an imaginary wrong is another thing entirely, as he's not being a hero to do what's right OR because he's learned "responsibility", he's doing it because he wants to make up for it, balance a nonsensical scale, that'll never be balanced as far he's concerned, and it becomes a compulsion, an unhealthy obsession, which leads to things like selling your marriage and unborn child to the devil to save your elderly, well lived Aunt.
Peter isn't real. There is no caring about his mental well-being. He doesn't exist.
Then what the **** have we been arguing about, eating up the past three or four pages of this thread? Why the hell does it matter if Peter learns a lesson about ANYTHING, if he's imaginary? Not to mention the fact the Peter was created for the exact purpose of feeling real, of being relatable, someone you could care about as a person, NOT just as a super-hero.
Well I guess we see Spider-man differently. To me, the fact that he feels responsible for his Uncle's death, the fact that he feels guilty that he made a fatal mistake, is crucial to the way I view the character. I see his guilt being a driving force that reminds him that if he doesn't act responsibly someone will be hurt. His mistakes define him, because he learns from them. He learned from letting the thief go didn't he? His guilt is what makes him a hero. It is what makes him responsible.
No. It makes him obsessive. Which is UNHEALTHY.
I'm not sure if this is a typo or something but they pretty much mean the same thing. Obligation is just a synonym of necessity and need.
Allow me to elaborate. When I say "need" I mean a desire from within himself to do good, and not something that's caused by an outside event.
Yes it is important to be open in a relationship but Gwen might get too involved in Peter's super villain business and get hurt in the process. Also, I don't care if she knows, if she doesn't know, or if she doesn't care, I want to see her die. She is probably most known by her departure and I just want to see that moment on screen.
It doesn't matter what she's known best for, the character is more than that.
He really should not be putting his name on things he will be carrying as Spider-Man. Put a random mark on it or something, just don't get a label maker and put your name on it in nice big white letters. It was definitely in his control.
EDIT: holy long post! haha
