When its all said and done

I think for a lot of ppl (myself included) when I say that after years of mediocre comic book writing and less than stellar live action Superman productions, Smallville and Tom Welling especially made us believe in Superman again. That's the best compliment I think I can make them.
 
Smallville will be remembered as the series where we watch Clark Kent develop as the man the world will later call Superman. It's the only place where we have seen on great detail how Superman developed each of his super powers, so I guess it could be remembered as Superman: The Early Years.
 
Super_Ludacris said:
Smallville's legacy is that it made Superman relevant to a younger audience again

Bruce Timm's stuff did that before SV.
 
I'll see the show as an awesome stand alone. To me it's like an 'Ultimate' take on the Superman story and DC universe, only instead of a comic, we get an awesome T.V. series weekly free of charge.
 
Kane said:
Supergirl can be done right, in the right hands. Jeph just felt the need to play up the teen drama queen angle on Kara and it didnt fly.
New supergirl was actually done right, for maybe the first time ever, and it was in the right hands.
Calling it "drama queen" is way off and plain silly.
 
:confused: Oh gosh. Well your opinions tend to differ from alot...but whatever does it for you.


Personally Im glad the new guys will try to fix her and make her redeemable.
 
Kane said:
:confused: Oh gosh. Well your opinions tend to differ from alot...
:confused: :confused: :confused:
just what exactly are you talking about ? your nerdish comic book forum communities "opinions" ?

doll collectors friends opinions ? :confused:

those comics sold out like crazy, everybody knows that..
 
BaK said:
:confused: :confused: :confused:
just what exactly are you talking about ? your nerdish comic book forum communities "opinions" ?

doll collectors friends opinions ? :confused:

those comics sold out like crazy, everybody knows that..

Opinions from the DC panel at the Toronto con, with DC exec president Dan Didio there jackass. Believe it or not, they actually give a damn about how the character is percieved, and this one wasnt getting the best reaction.....so theyre working on it. Originally Rucka planned to take a new direction with the character but now hes passed that responsibility onto someone else (since hes swamped with 52).

Most of the infinite crisis tie-ins sold like crazy but there was still alot of dissatisfaction with how the character was handled and its being rectified.

And youre on a forum for a teen soap with people 3 times the age of teenagers lurking and posting, youre really not in a position to look down on any other forum, including the 'comics' one.
 
Now, boys. Now need to fight. Bak, I should like to expound briefly on a theory I have had for some time:


The new Supergirl sucks, truthfully enough. She's annoying, isn't a particularly interesting character, and her stories are dreadfully boring. Now, some had trouble with Matrix/Linda Danvers, since she had little relation to the origional Supergirl or her concept of being Superman's biological cousnin from Krypton. While I can understand those sentiments, I must say that at the very least, Matrix/Linda Danvers' stories were much better than the new Supergirl's.


Now, I must also tell you: The opinion of the fans matter. Because, you know, all creative mediums are about making the fans happy. You can't please everyone, but you should try to please alot of them.
 
Personally? I've come to find that sails mean almost nothing in terms of quality. New Avengers is constantly on the best sellers list. The book's mediocre at best. Hero was a brilliant series, and I doubt it sold very well at all.
 
The Question said:
Personally? I've come to find that sails mean almost nothing in terms of quality.

that usually is true, but leaves us with nothing really but insulting other people tastes..
what's garbage for me, (most of the comics), might be like da vinci for you..

so.. let's not go there..
after all, this is not exactly a comics "part" of the forum..
 
BaK said:
that usually is true, but leaves us with nothing really but insulting other people tastes..
what's garbage for me, (most of the comics), might be like da vinci for you..

so.. let's not go there..
after all, this is not exactly a comics "part" of the forum..


I must ask: What's wrong with the comics? Just curious.
 
BaK said:
doll collectors..

Getting action figures or memoribilia is no different than collecting comics for the sake of collecting them.

I'd kinda have more respect for ppl with a cool collection of memoribilia that could be worth something someday.....over shippers that flock to messageboards everyday to debate and cry over fictional relationships that may or may not have happened on the soap....tis why I avoid places like Ksite.
 
The Question said:
I must ask: What's wrong with the comics? Just curious.
Most bore the hell out of me..
Just like most of the movies, most of the music, most of the books..
So no, nothing specifically "wrong" with the comics..

Fair enough?
 
BaK said:
Most bore the hell out of me..
Just like most of the movies, most of the music, most of the books..
So no, nothing specifically "wrong" with the comics..

Fair enough?



Makes perfect sense. Some books can be a tad boring.




Also, since when was there music based on the characters? :confused:
 
The Question said:
Also, since when was there music based on the characters? :confused:
:confused:
there were neither implicit nor explicit implying on my side that music was based on characters..

the principle of "being bored" is the same regardless of the kind of "art" or "entertainment" we are consuming..

agreed?
 
The Question said:
Also, since when was there music based on the characters? :confused:

Stereophonics and Five For Fighting both had songs titled "Superman"

And the Foo Fighters had their "Kryptonite" and there was even a Superman stage musical.

So Superman has inspired music...
 
I'll take a shot at this question.

First of all I don't read comics. I don't like them, and I don't say that to offend the many fans who enjoy them. I just don't enjoy trying to read dialogue trapped in bubbles over well drawn pictures. Why? Because there's no drama for me. I'd rather read a book. However, a drama that can be watched and viewed - even better.

What's my point regarding the thread? Since I've never read a comic about Superman, and I have no clue about the history or "facts" about Superman, except for the basics: Alien, Krypton, green rock is bad, he flies, he's strong, and he wears primary colors - I knew nothing about Superman's life before becoming Superman - until Smallville.

What does Smallville give me and what will I take away from it? The following questions about Superman were answered by watching Smallville:

How does Superman find out about his powers? Does he automatically have them from the moment he arrives on earth? Yes and no, but I learn that some of Clark's abilities (strength/speed) he had from the very beginning, but the other abilities: fire from his eyes, hearing, and flying developed later as he came into puberty. Makes sense to me. It was wonderful to watch Clark's horror at the initial onslaught of his abilities - especially the fire from his eyes. Watching Clark desperately avoiding his father's gaze for fear of hurting him was so well done. His father was not horrified or frightened. His son was different so I have to teach him to embrace his differences, and he did. Wonderful stuff.

Why EXACTLY is Superman such a good guy? I mean, what exactly did his parents teach him to make him so good? Watching how Jonathan and Martha Kent loved, fought, cried, and sacrificed their lives for Clark on SV was a true eye-opener as to why this man IS Superman. You can't get that from comics, and I certainly didn't get it from The Adventures of Superman or Lois and Clark. I have watched Clark struggle with his desires to be normal and to have "things" that other kids have, including materialistic things, and to become the man that he desperately wants his parents to be proud of in the end. I watched him make stupid and juvenile decisions, I watched him disappoint his parents, and I watched him redeem himself and learn. Basically, I've watched Clark grow from the shy awkward teenager who was unsure of himself to a more confident, courageous man who is screaming Superman to me. (I have no doubt I will see the full transformation before the series end)

Why does Lex Luther become evil? What a great backstory to create for those of us who don't read the comics to see what could happen to a very wealthy young man with a good heart, but with an absolutely evil and black-hearted father who strives every day to corrupt his son. The constant battle of trying to be good against always losing against his father begins to harden Lex and destroy his trust in humanity. I think it was genius to introduce the friendship of Lex and Clark in Smallville prior to the Superman story. What a contrast in lives. Both men, with good hearts, being raised under very different circumstances. It's a true lesson that children do become the products of their parents. SV did this whole "rise of Clark and fallof Lex" beautifully.

How does Clark become involved in reporting? SV showed that by hanging out with Chloe at the Torch in high school. He has no interest in reporting at first, but her insatiable appetite for news and the truth pulls Clark into her world, if for nothing else than to keep her safe from her "stories." However, he does get bitten by the bug. From there, it's a hop, skip, and a jump to The Daily Planet. Very clever.

How does Clark know he's allergic to Kryptonite? How does he know that it has a deadly affect on him? I don't recall it being in the ship with him when he blasted off of Krypton. So how does he know? Again, brilliant job on SV's part. Let the remnants of the exploded planet follow the ship all the way to earth in a hail of meteor shower that spews the lethal rocks all over the landscape where Clark Kent will be living. Not only does it educate him to its deadly affects to him, but it also morphs into other forms of kryptonite (I'd guess by entering the earth's atmosphere) that affect Clark and others. This gives Clark a training ground to fight "super human" beings that he will confront in the future. That was very smart.

Why is Lexx Luther bald anyway? SV tells me why. Lexx was with his father the day of the meteor shower and gets caught in the path of a streaming rock. The radiation renders him permanently bald and a fascination with "things" from outer space. Hmmmmmm.

How does Jonathan Kent develop his heart condition? I always figured he had a gene and inherited heart disease from his parents. Nope. Not in Smallville. In this show, the writers thought up such a great way to incorporate Jonathan's heart problems into the story. He makes a deal with Clark's biological father, after Clark makes a devastating mistake and leaves town. Jonathan is told that the risks to his physical health would be in peril if he agreed to Jor-el's "gift." Jonathan didn't care. All he knew was that his son was in trouble and that he would do anything to save him. As quick as you can say "Zap it to me," Jonathan is imbued with superpowers, which enables him to bring back his son and restore Clark to his "old self." The consequences to Jonathan Kent, however, will be dire. How can you not love that stuff? Great idea.

These are some of the things that came into my head when I read your post, Tony. Some people can dismiss Smallville as an affront to the Superman mythos or that it is guilty of destroying the "facts" about Superman lore. That's bupkus! If anything, Smallville intrigues me to watch FUTURE Superman movies and shows. The legacy that Smallville leaves for me that I would pass on to other people who asked is: If you want to learn about Superman BEFORE he becomes Superman, just watch Smallville. I would honestly tell them to forget the comic books because what I got from Smallville filled in so many holes and answered lots of questions I didn't even realize I had about the guy. Who knew!

Some people will live and die by the written word of what came before Smallville (in comics and shows). Not for me. Smallville is, without a doubt, the best compilation of stories and events of Superman's youth and boyhood, prior to him becoming Superman, that I've seen thus far. In other words, it completely satisfies me, as a viewer and a fan. It answers all my questions, and it truly makes me adore these characters that become the legend. That's the legacy it has left for me, and which I will pass on to people who may want to learn more about Superman. People need and want the backstory of a character, and Smallville delivers in spades. :up:
 
Max said:
First of all I don't read comics.

Max said:
I would honestly tell them to forget the comic books because what I got from Smallville filled in so many holes and answered lost of questions I didn't even realize I had about the guy. Who knew!

This is where your argument falls apart and goes against the validity of your entire post.

If you havent read the comics, you wont know the facts from that prespective and thus a comparison between that and the television series would be moot. You need to have a deep understanding of both sides in order to deliver a valid, legitimate comparison.
 
Kane said:
This is where your argument falls apart and goes against the validity of your entire post.

If you havent read the comics, you wont know the facts from that prespective and thus a comparison between that and the television series would be moot. You need to have a deep understanding of both sides in order to deliver a valid, legitimate comparison.

I acknowledge that the comics are an important part of the Superman mythos for some, but not everyone READS all the endless articles, comics, books of Superman. Does that mean that I'm not a fan? The thread asked what the legacy will be of Smallville for people, and I explained the legacy that it leaves for me. There are plenty of people who have never read a comic book in their lives, but does that mean they have no say in the Superman stories? Are you saying that Superman can have absolutely no impact on how I view it because I haven't read EVERYTHING. That's absurd. I shouldn't say that I'm closed minded to the idea of comics, but I don't read them - too many to have to read to get up to speed, frankly.

Maybe the thread was meant only for the fanboys or the most devout, learned Superman fans. If that's the case, then you're right, my post would be moot. However, MANY fans of Superman become fans by watching Smallville, and I doubt they run out and buy every conceivable written word on the subject of Superman. Therefore, I guess we can never have a say in these debates.

Smallville's legacy is very simple to me: It answers all the questions I have about Superman in a very clever, dramatic and effective way. It has made me LOVE the character. If that's not relevant to the thread, then I guess the rest of the posters will tell me, but for the record, Superman does not belong ONLY to the fanboys who know the history of Superman, chapter and verse. Otherwise, what's the point of making new films in the first place? You think children and teenagers are going to go out and read up on all the Superman literature? No. They will watch what's available to them.
 
Max said:
I acknowledge that the comics are an important part of the Superman mythos for some, but not everyone READS all the endless articles, comics, books of Superman. Does that mean that I'm not a fan?
Again, you missed the point totally. What I said was without deep knowledge on the aspects of both sides (the comics and the television series) you cannot fairly and legitimately compare them.

You claimed you dont read the comics, that simply makes your comparison between the series and it invalid.

"You need to have a deep understanding of both sides in order to deliver a valid, legitimate comparison."

I never accused you of not being a fan, get the facts straight.

Max said:
You think children and teenagers are going to go out and read up on all the Superman literature? No. They will watch what's available to them
Which is good news for the Superman movie this summer if your assumption is correct.
 
Kane said:
I think ultimately, no matter what the mainstream thinks and if the show fades, Smallville fans will remember. Thats really all that matters.

This is really the answer to Tony's thread. Theres not much more that needs to be said.

Youre a Smallville fan, youll continue to remember the series as something you enjoyed, you'll probably continue posting on these Smallville boards long after the show's demise.....when it's all said and done, thats all that really matters.

Its like that for any television series.
 

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