The Avengers Where they have gone wrong with the avengers project so far

Well, he knows more about this than us. After all, he is an "insider" :o
 
tbh most if not all of the knowledge I have of The Avengers comes from the 'Captain America and the Avengers' arcade game that used to be at the bowling alley I grew up in. And I never said Iron Man and Thor are cardboard cutouts or unimportant, just that TIH (which I liked and have defended) is the film least important to The Avengers going in since the main theme of that film is fights.

That position defends the recasting of Norton and I can't see how that can be misconstrued as me being a whining fanboy.
 
UltimateJustin said:
tbh most if not all of the knowledge I have of The Avengers comes from the 'Captain America and the Avengers' arcade game that used to be at the bowling alley I grew up in. And I never said Iron Man and Thor are cardboard cutouts or unimportant, just that TIH (which I liked and have defended) is the film least important to The Avengers going in since the main theme of that film is fights.

That position defends the recasting of Norton and I can't see how that can be misconstrued as me being a whining fanboy.
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Seriously WTF are you talking about? Fights? Every single one of these Marvel films consists of fights. If anything TIH had more of a dramatic element than any previous Marvel film. TIH shares the same slice of importance as the rest of these films as they were purposely created to un-spool the Marvel Cinema Universe and bring about The Avengers. The fact that Norton was recast has absolutely nothing to do with it's "importance" factor either.
 
Rock Sexton said:
Seriously WTF are you talking about? Fights? Every single one of these Marvel films consists of fights. If anything TIH had more of a dramatic element than any previous Marvel film. TIH shares the same slice of importance as the rest of these films as they were purposely created to un-spool the Marvel Cinema Universe and bring about The Avengers. The fact that Norton was recast has absolutely nothing to do with it's "importance" factor either.
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Negatory. Iron Man is more important because he is the man who, in the Marvel Universe, was the first to step up and become a superhero on his own accord. Captain America's creation and the rest of his backstory surely tie in to the Avenger's movie greatly. TIH on the other hand is just a flick about dudes brawling. Nothing the Hulk is going to do in the Avengers movie is going to relate to TIH film in any way, he could have just been plopped into it regardless, or even with just the '03 HULK film as the basis, and nothing would be different at all.

Tell me how TIH ties into The Avengers any more than HULK does, OTHER THAN the shoe-horned scene with Tony Stark at the end.What we've seen of the Hulk on film has no consequence for The Avengers, sorry partna.
 
I would agree TIH is probably the least important of the main Avengers films cause he is not in the big 3, but to say it could have not happened and wouldn't change much, I disagree. Also, that doesn't say anything about TIH's quality.
 
Spider-Fan said:
I would agree TIH is probably the least important of the main Avengers films cause he is not in the big 3, but to say it could have not happened and wouldn't change much, I disagree. Also, that doesn't say anything about TIH's quality.
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I was never critiquing the quality, simply noting its purposelessness.
 
None of these characters or movies is about fights:

Iron Man is the story of a spoiled genius who discovers he inadvertedly is spreading evil. He has to control that, superseding himself, and learn to control his ego, otherwise he'll kill himself (he has a good deal of self-destruction traits) and those around him. He keeps trying to adjust his choices to the better, avoiding his natural, exuberant, egoistical genius.

Hulk is truly dramatic: Banner suffers an accident that gives him enormous strenght but in an unconscious way, so that he is always tormented by the disputable morality of that monster that is, paradoxically, himself. It is a permanent dilemma, the fear of hurting people, etc. The fact that originally he was really shy and mild-mannered was really important, and I hope they correct it with Ruffalo, who can pull it off convicingly.

Thor is the good but arrogant prince that needs to learn how to be a decent, sage and strong king. He needs to understand the implications of his actions. Odin sets him in a series of dilemmas to make him prove himself, and mostly, learn through the pain of loss, the division of his allegiance, the balance of life that is expected of whom will one day rule.

Captain America is a strong mind trapped in a weak body: but the strenght he receives is another trap, for he learns the destruction that power can bring, with the war. He embraces this symbol of defense, the shield, and lives in the very thin line of being true to his principles and also fighting for them. He has this very delicate fidelity to a dream, which is defficult to make real without perverting it in the first place.

All those characters are very interesting, dramatic and complicated. Much more than "fights".
 
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UltimateJustin said:
Negatory. Iron Man is more important because he is the man who, in the Marvel Universe, was the first to step up and become a superhero on his own accord. Captain America's creation and the rest of his backstory surely tie in to the Avenger's movie greatly. TIH on the other hand is just a flick about dudes brawling. Nothing the Hulk is going to do in the Avengers movie is going to relate to TIH film in any way, he could have just been plopped into it regardless, or even with just the '03 HULK film as the basis, and nothing would be different at all.

Tell me how TIH ties into The Avengers any more than HULK does, OTHER THAN the shoe-horned scene with Tony Stark at the end.What we've seen of the Hulk on film has no consequence for The Avengers, sorry partna.
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Right. So all the SHIELD elements of TIH don't exist. Same for one of the very reasons the team is being put together, i.e. the Hulk. OK buddy.
 
mercurius said:
none of these characters or movies is about fights:

Iron man is the story of a spoiled genius who discovers he inadvertedly is spreading evil. He has to control that, superseding himself, and learn to control his ego, otherwise he'll kill himself (he has a good deal of self-destruction traits) and those around him. He keeps trying to adjust his choices to the better, avoiding his natural, exuberant, egoistical genius.

Hulk is truly dramatic: Banner suffers an accident that gives him enormous strenght but in an unconscious way, so that he is always tormented by the disputable morality of that monster that is, paradoxically, himself. It is a permanent dilemma, the fear of hurting people, etc. The fact that originally he was really shy and mild-mannered was really important, and i hope they correct it with ruffalo, who can pull it off convicingly.

Thor is the good but arrogant prince that needs to learn how to be a decent, sage and strong king. He needs to understand the implications of his actions. Odin sets him in a series of dilemmas to make him prove himself, and mostly, learn through the pain of loss, the division of his allegiance, the balance of life that is expected of whom will one day rule.

Captain america is a strong mind trapped in a weak body: But the strenght he receives is another trap, for he learns the destruction that power can bring, with the war. He embraces this symbol of defense, the shield, and lives in the very thin line of being true to his principles and also fighting for them. He has this very delicate fidelity to a dream, which is defficult to make real without perverting it in the first place.

All those characters are very interesting, dramatic and complicated. Much more than "fights".
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This!!!
 
I don't think there's enough facepalms in the world to cover what he said about Thor.
 
Mercurius said:
None of these characters or movies is about fights:

Iron Man is the story of a spoiled genius who discovers he inadvertedly is spreading evil. He has to control that, superseding himself, and learn to control his ego, otherwise he'll kill himself (he has a good deal of self-destruction traits) and those around him. He keeps trying to adjust his choices to the better, avoiding his natural, exuberant, egoistical genius.

Hulk is truly dramatic: Banner suffers an accident that gives him enormous strenght but in an unconscious way, so that he is always tormented by the disputable morality of that monster that is, paradoxically, himself. It is a permanent dilemma, the fear of hurting people, etc. The fact that originally he was really shy and mild-mannered was really important, and I hope they correct it with Ruffalo, who can pull it off convicingly.

Thor is the good but arrogant prince that needs to learn how to be a decent, sage and strong king. He needs to understand the implications of his actions. Odin sets him in a series of dilemmas to make him prove himself, and mostly, learn through the pain of loss, the division of his allegiance, the balance of life that is expected of whom will one day rule.

Captain America is a strong mind trapped in a weak body: but the strenght he receives is another trap, for he learns the destruction that power can bring, with the war. He embraces this symbol of defense, the shield, and lives in the very thin line of being true to his principles and also fighting for them. He has this very delicate fidelity to a dream, which is defficult to make real without perverting it in the first place.

All those characters are very interesting, dramatic and complicated. Much more than "fights".
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clap,clap,clap. great post Rock!
 
Whether or not Thor is just a regular guy with a hammer is a debate for another day (he is), the real question none of you have answered is:

How does TIH -- aside from the tacked on Tony Stark afterward -- do any better a job correlating to the Avengers movie than the 2003 HULK film? If they wanted to keep Eric Bana on board and released a special edition dvd of HULK with a similar Tony Stark scene at the end, the characters position going into Avengers would be no different.

I'm not saying there aren't dramatic story elements in the 2008 TIH film, but that film's story is still the one least necessary to be told leading up to the Avengers -- especially considering it's a fighting story.
 
The stupidity never stops. How is Thor a regular guy with a hammer? Do you know the character at all?
 
Well, that proves you know absolutely nothing. Do your homework first, kid.
 
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