BvS Which Green Lantern should be used? - Part 1

[Rorschach2012]

i really hope GOTG's massive success encourages DC to move forward with a new GL and their cosmic universe, similar to the way Avengers' success encouraged DC to get moving on Justice League. I will say that GOTG was a straight up action comedy, and I definitely DO NOT WANT an action comedy for DC's next foray into the cosmic side of their universe. The next GL movie should be very serious. It can have comedy but nowhere near the same amount of comedy as GOTG. The comedy worked very well in that movie but it seems like all the Marvel movies are action-comedies..

That's really not the vibe i would have gone for if i was running things at Marvel, but it works well with some of their films. In others, it's too much and you just want a break from the comedy.

Hopefully DC maintains their serious tone, but they should ease up when necessary, like when they're doing a character like Shazam... But yeah the Marvel movie tone should not be emulated by DC. There should be more humor in DC movies than there was in MOS, but not as much humor as GOTG. They can strike a balance. I thought TDKT had a good amount of humor.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I didn't think TDKT had a good amount of humor at all, especially The Dark Knight.

 

[Rorschach2012]

well the MCU has way too much humor, their movies are half action, half comedy, so that's too much... MOST of the MCU is very very family friendly, to the point where it seems like it's geared towards kids. TDKT and MOS seemed more for adults, i like that the products are so different (MCU and DC), it helps them to coexist. I guess a comedic balance could be struck in between TDKT and the MCU, but I'd lean towards the amount of comedy in the TDKT.

 

[mace1]

The comedy worked very well in that movie but it seems like all the Marvel movies are action-comedies..

Not true.
Hulk,iron man 1,the captain america films,x-men,blade,amazing spiderman etc..
Nope not all marvel movies had alot of comedy.

The only ones i could think of was fantastic 4,iron man 3 and the thor films but the thor films were more serious than iron man 3 overall.

You could say superman movies before man of steel had alot of comedy moments too.

Superman the movie and superman 2 and returns had serious moments and
comedy moments but overall more serious just like the marvel movies.
Some marvel movies are more serious then others of course.

The first two hulk movies are examples of marvel movies that was really serious like man of steel or close to it in being more serious.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Not true.
Hulk,iron man 1,the captain america films,x-men,blade,amazing spiderman etc..
Nope not all marvel movies had alot of comedy.

The only ones i could think of was fantastic 4,iron man 3 and the thor films but the thor films were more serious than iron man 3 overall.

You could say superman movies before man of steel had alot of comedy moments too.

Superman the movie and superman 2 and returns had serious moments and
comedy moments but overall more serious just like the marvel movies.
Some marvel movies are more serious then others of course.

I'm talking about the MCU. They're mostly action comedies (specifically Iron Man 1, 2 & 3, Thor 1 & 2, GOTG). You do know that Marvel doesn't own all of the film rights to their characters right?

damn you basically just didn't read any of what i said.

I'm talking about TDKT and MOS compared to the MCU

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I'm talking about the MCU. They're action comedies. You do know that Marvel doesn't own all of the film rights to their characters right?

damn you basically just didn't read any of what i said.

I'm talking about TDKT and MOS compared to the MCU

I have to agree with you, they ARE action comedies and that's not necessarily a bad thing, it works for them but I don't want the DCCU to mirror them. I want difference.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I have to agree with you, they ARE action comedies and that's not necessarily a bad thing, it works for them but don't want the DCCU to mirror them. I want difference.

The stakes have never been high in a MCU movie. The threat level has never felt.... threatening...

Except for maybe in TWS. But that's really the only time the enemy has felt truly menacing. Even then, I'm not as crazy about that film as other people are here. There are a number of MCU films that i prefer to TWS. But the threat was solid.

DC has the chance to DESTROY Marvel in at least one category... by doing ACTUALLY SCARY AND THREATENING VILLAINS. Marvel doesn't understand that the key to a good superhero movie is a good villain. Their villains are never threatening, never scary, the stakes are almost never high. Their villains are almost always underdeveloped as well. It doesn't help that they don't have the rights to the best Marvel villains... (Magneto, Dr. Doom, all of Spidey's villains...) To be honest, their take on Thanos is probably going to be very tame, and frankly.... lame... They're going to hold back on him to make him family friendly, and despite all the build up to the character, he still isn't threatening. I don't think it'll be a problem for Darkseid and Thanos to be introduced around the same time because Darkseid will most likely be more geared towards adults, if the tone of MOS and TDK is any indicator of how they will do Darkseid.

a movie supervillain should be a little bit scary. The best ones usually are. Nolan's work on the Joker, Bane, Two Face, and Scarecrow should be the blueprints for this new DCCU. going forward, the DCCU's villains should all be as scary, mature and as threatening as any of those villains i listed.

 

[mace1]

You said marvel so the others came to mind first.
Anyway you thought iron man 1 was action comedy?

I don't think any of them could be action comedies,but i have not seen the latest one YET.
The only ones i could think of that had too much comedy in it was ironman 3 and seen all of them except GOTG.

I WOULD CALL HALF of them something else,or all of them,not action comedies.
Wait,i know what they called,fantasy-sci-fi action,BECAUSE THAT'S what they really are.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

well the MCU has way too much humor, their movies are half action, half comedy, so that's too much... MOST of the MCU is very very family friendly, to the point where it seems like it's geared towards kids. TDKT and MOS seemed more for adults, i like that the products are so different (MCU and DC), it helps them to coexist. I guess a comedic balance could be struck in between TDKT and the MCU, but I'd lean towards the amount of comedy in the TDKT.

You can't argue with Marvel's results. They are number one and they have the audiences are critics on their side. Major props for doing something that isn't easy. I'm fine with Marvel's tone...mostly as I don't want every comicbook film to be serious. On the flip side I don't want every comicbook film to have the Marvel tone either so I'm happy that DC/WB are going in their own direction. I was fine with MOS tone but I wouldn't mind a shade lighter for BvS because a bunch of Superheroes running around changes things, more fun should be had. Not Marvel level fun but more fun.

I don't know how to respond to your classifying TDKT as having a good balance because it doesn't to me. I mean I accept the films tones for what they are at the end of the day. Anyway I just like to discuss Man of Steel as far as tones go because Man of Steel is the start of this universe, not TDKT. That really has nothing to do with anything now.

God I'm a bit frustrated because I think I'm sounding rude without meaning to and I don't think I'm articulating myself the way I want to.

 

[mace1]

I thought superman 1 and 2,batman 89 and the dark knight had a lot of funny moments but they are not called action comedies.

They are still called fantasy/sci-fi films,not fantasy/sci-fi/comedy because there is still alot of serious things happening and the same with the mcu.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

The stakes have never been high in a MCU movie. The threat level has never felt.... threatening...

Except for maybe in TWS. But that's really the only time the enemy has felt truly menacing. Even then, I'm not as crazy about that film as other people are here. There are a number of MCU films that i prefer to TWS. But the threat was solid.

DC has the chance to DESTROY Marvel in at least one category... by doing ACTUALLY SCARY AND THREATENING VILLAINS. Marvel doesn't understand that the key to a good superhero movie is a good villain. Their villains are never threatening, never scary, the stakes are almost never high. Their villains are almost always underdeveloped as well. It doesn't help that they don't have the rights to the best Marvel villains... (Magneto, Dr. Doom, all of Spidey's villains...) To be honest, their take on Thanos is probably going to be very tame, and frankly.... lame... They're going to hold back on him to make him family friendly, and despite all the build up to the character, he still isn't threatening. I don't think it'll be a problem for Darkseid and Thanos to be introduced around the same time because Darkseid will most likely be more geared towards adults, if the tone of MOS and TDK is any indicator of how they will do Darkseid.

a movie supervillain should be a little bit scary. The best ones usually are. Nolan's work on the Joker, Bane, Two Face, and Scarecrow should be the blueprints for this new DCCU. going forward, the DCCU's villains should all be as scary, mature and as threatening as any of those villains i listed.

That's been an advantage DC has had in it's animated universe. Some of the best stories can be told with a lot of DC's characters, and it takes someone who knows them and loves them to bring them to life in a way everyone can enjoy them. We need that person at WB. And Nolan did do a swell job at portraying the villains in a very serious way.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I thought superman 1 and 2,batman 89 and the dark knight had a lot of funny moments but they are not called action comedies.

They still called fantasy/sci-fi films.

That doesn't take away that they were funny(some unintentionally funny ahah) with action in them and that's not a bad thing!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah I would like the DCCU to focus on making it's villains a little more interesting and scary than MCCU. And that's not a diss, I like Marvel but their villains are not great. Even the obsessed have to admit to that.

 

[Rorschach2012]

You said marvel so the others came to mind first.
Anyway you thought iron man 1 was action comedy?

I don't think any of them could action comedies,but i have not seen the latest one YET.
The only ones i could think of that had too much comedy in it was ironman 3 and seen all of them except GOTG.

I WOULD CALL HALF of them something else, not action comedies.
Wait,i know what they called,fantasy-sci-fi action,BECAUSE THAT'S what they really are.

My point is that i think pretty much all the MCU movies have too much humor in them, and they have poorly developed, nonthreatening villains. DC can set themselves apart from Marvel by having mature, scary villains, while using humor sparingly, instead of using it as a crutch.

Everyone thinks that DC's universe is going to fail and that they'll have to emulate Marvel in order to succeed, but that simply isn't the case. There is a lot that DC can do to REALLY set themselves apart from Marvel, and they can really establish themselves as their own brand by continuing that same mature tone from the TDKT. I'm not saying they should retain the realism from TDKT, not at all, they need to tone the realism down A LOT in order for most of these DC characters to work on film... But the serious tone and the ACTUALLY THREATENING villains can be retained from the TDKT.


This doesn't necessarily mean anything, but my group of friends (early 20s dudes) can't stand the amount of humor in the MCU, so much that it even ruined The Avengers for them. but then they loved TDKT and MOS. They think that the MCU is for kids/families, and that the humor is overdone. It's a small sample size, but I've spoken to other people in that same demographic and I've noticed that a lot of people say the same thing as my friends.

The MCU and the DCCU can both be equally successful if they keep up what they're doing. Right now, they're targeting slightly different demographics, and that's a really smart way to ensure both company's success.

 

[mace1]

That doesn't take away that they were funny(some unintentionally funny ahah) with action in them and that's not a bad thing!

I know,but the same could be said about superman the movie.

I thought the second hulk movie for the mcu and captain america 1 and 2 were the most serious films of the mcu films so far.

More serious then the dark knight,superman 1 and 2.

HECK i thought the avengers was more serious then superman 1 and 2 and the dark knight.

When you bring in the joker in a film,you know that movie will have alot of comedy moments,and don't get me started on lex and those that worked for him in those early superman movies i mention above.

The dark knight had alot humor or comedy ,it had me laughing alot but it was serious at the same time just like some of those mcu movies i seen so far.
Some other mcu movies had less humour and had me laughing less like man of steel.

I seen them all except gotg,and i plan to see that later.

 

[DOBSON10]

I hope they stick with the more serious tone. Even though these are movies about superhero's and fantastical things I still prefer it to try to remain grounded. I have nothing against what Marvel is doing, I like most of those movies very much as well but when you're dealing with life or death situations, invasions, destruction, villains and fight scenes I'd prefer it to remain mostly serious. Certain characters are known to be able to be comedic even during the chaos, and that's fine for certain characters (Iron Man & Spiderman for example) but that's part of the character that makes sense in those situations. But in general I find it horribly forced and ridiculously cheesy when characters are trying to be funny during situations of disaster and high tension. It only works with certain characters.

With Man of Steel I thought it had just enough comedy, though I thought every joke in the movie was poorly written and missed the mark, just bad jokes. The Dark Knight didn't have alot of comedy but it had good comedy, not over the top or cheesy and the jokes hit their mark and also took place in moments when things were mostly calm. I like them to stick with that general amount of comedic moments, with good timing and limit it to more realistic comedy like The Dark Knight Trilogy. The over the top comedy of movies like Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 are a big part of the reason I didn't like those movies, there were many other reasons why I don't like those movies but the forced, over the top cheesiness and constant attempts to be funny just destroy my ability to take the movie seriously. It becomes superhero satire, which is not what I want to see unless that's exactly what it is advertised as, like Kick Ass for example.

I'd prefer they keep the comedy at a minimum, it's my preference but also GOOD comedy is just really hard to pull off and too much is never a good thing.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Nailed it Dobs ^

I too think that TDKT used the perfect amount of humor. Bruce Wayne out of costume was very funny especially in BB where he'd interact with Fox, and Joker was hilarious in a sick kind of way.

Like you said, MOS would've had the right amount of humor, but the jokes were just bad.

Let Marvel handle the over the top comedy, and let DC handle the grim, mature, dark, high-stakes, apocalyptic, world threatening events. Not every DC character needs to be brood and be overly serious, i don't think that at all. But the world that the DCU is set in should be a very serious world. If a ****ing alien invasion happened today, I wouldn't want the only hope of salvation to be cracking jokes constantly, I'd want them to take the threat seriously.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

You can't argue with Marvel's results. They are number one and they have the audiences are critics on their side. Major props for doing something that isn't easy. I'm fine with Marvel's tone...mostly as I don't want every comicbook film to be serious. On the flip side I don't want every comicbook film to have the Marvel tone either so I'm happy that DC/WB are going in their own direction. I was fine with MOS tone but I wouldn't mind a shade lighter for BvS because a bunch of Superheroes running around changes things, more fun should be had. Not Marvel level fun but more fun.

I don't know how to respond to your classifying TDKT as having a good balance because it doesn't to me. I mean I accept the films tones for what they are at the end of the day. Anyway I just like to discuss Man of Steel as far as tones go because Man of Steel is the start of this universe, not TDKT. That really has nothing to do with anything now.

God I'm a bit frustrated because I think I'm sounding rude without meaning to and I don't think I'm articulating myself the way I want to.

That. But also, the tone of a movie should really reflect the plot of the movie, not the character necessarily. The Nolan trilogies had a child who loses his parents and that devastates him but he uses that devastation to become a vigilante who fights against the crimes that took his parents away and some really bizarre, dangerous criminals, the tone of that plot should be dark and serious. I don't buy this," at least put a few jokes in there, make it cheery at least!" complaints because jokes and sunshine aren't needed to make those movies better and neither was it needed to make MoS better. MoS was about an alien child from Krypton who gets adopted by this Kansas family who love him oh so much and as he grows up, this child faces bullying in school and even later in life. He doesn't understand the things that happen to him sometimes,but he later finds out he's got super powers and that excites him until he is visited by another fellow alien who wants to kill him and use Earth as his next destination for colonization , but that would require a lot of humans to die. Sups's not having that and he fights this alien in a very brutal battle that ironically devastates a lot of Metropolis, but Earth is safe for the moment. A movie with a plot like that had the tone that MoS had, grim and sorrowful. And MoS wasn't perfect, but making it brighter or adding more jokes would make no sense for the plot. Hell people even complain about the joking right after the Metropolis devastation. It's not the "dark" tone that made MoS so negative or divisive among people, because that worked for The Nolan trilogy fine. But if people hated MoS, it was because of the story and how they went about it.

That's my opinion on the tone thing.

 

[mace1]

I read that avengers 2 will be more serious then the first one.
I hope so.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I read that avengers 2 will be more serious then the first one.
I hope so.

Same.

And i REALLY hope that JL is nothing like The Avengers. TA is one of my all time favorites, but the tone is far lighter than how I'd imagine my ideal JL movie being. The stakes need to be higher, the tone needs to be far darker and more serious, and the threat has to actually be a threat. The defeat of the final villain in JL shouldn't be a joke.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

So about Green Lantern, given that the rumors from Badass digest are true and we don't get GL until JL, HOW do you think they are going to add him in?

 

[Rorschach2012]

It's easy to introduce GL if the villain is an extraterrestrial threat

 

[harryoscop]

Yeah.. I hope they stick to the Man of steel tone (Man of steel is a solid 9/10 for me ) I really don't appreciate Marvels tone lol (that's why I loved TWS)

while I do like the direction They're going with Thanos, I feel he should slightly be more terrifying, I do like where they're going though. but Darkseid needs to be freaking Horrifying!

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

It's easy to introduce GL if the villain is an extraterrestrial threat

That sounds good, so maybe someone in the red Lantern corp goes mad and can pose a threat to the JL and earth which would cause GL to come out and claim he knows the ways to defeat them.

 

[Rorschach2012]

That sounds good, so maybe someone in the red Lantern corp goes mad and can pose a threat to the JL and earth which would cause GL to come out and claim he knows the ways to defeat them.

I pretty much only want to see GL centric villains like the red lanterns or yellow lanterns in a solo GL movie, thy have no place in the first JL movie. I want Brainiac, Darkseid, Vandal Savage or Max Lord/OMACs in JL