Which Green Lantern should be used? - Part 2

[DrCosmic]

If we get him, he'll be a combination of John and Hal, because John as he is now is not a good enough character to use on film.

and if he's used, it'll be be because of the diversity he provides, not because he is a better character than Hal. He is not.

I hate how some people perceive "another white superhero" as a negative thing. I'm looking at you, Dr... That is a form of racism.

I think better characters are more important than diversity, and Hal Jordan is a WAY better character than John Stewart.

Not only is calling me racist against forum policy, but calling diversity racism is itself only possible because of the racism of our ancestors. Please consult a dictionary, or a history book, or GL: Mosaic (please consult dictionary and history books first, so it can be 'readable'), or the current run of Green Lantern Corps or the SHH terms of service you agreed to, or just... get some kind of actual knowledge before you start calling people out who actually know what they're talking about. Since you refuse to elevate the conversation and feel a need to call me out, I'm coming down to you. We're going to have a blast.

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[Rorschach2012]

Not only is calling me racist against forum policy, but calling diversity racism is itself only possible because of the racism of our ancestors. Please consult a dictionary, or a history book, or GL: Mosaic (please consult dictionary and history books first, so it can be 'readable'), or the current run of Green Lantern Corps or the SHH terms of service you agreed to, or just... get some kind of actual knowledge before you start calling people out who actually know what they're talking about. Since you refuse to elevate the conversation and feel a need to call me out, I'm coming down to you. We're going to have a blast.

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LOL you opened the can of worms first, when you suggested that "another white superhero" is a negative thing in the CW expansion thread. I'm sure you know which post i'm talking about.

There's nothing negative about more white heroes. You don't understand the fact that even though diversity is a good thing, it doesn't make "another white superhero" a bad thing.

I don't care to continue this conversation, I've said everything I need to on the subject. And I've definitely gotten my point across. Hopefully you know better than to make comments like that now.

I think the best idea is to leave race outta the equation and they should use the characters and actors that are most appropriate for the story being told.



Someone suggested that WB should hire multiple writers to each work on a draft featuring a different GL, and that's a good idea.

Watching JL TAS again, John Stewart is a great character. It's his best interpretation. But like i said before, for a John solo to reach its full potential, John needs Hal's relationship with Sinestro.

GL vs Sinestro is the obvious main appeal.

 

[Rorschach2012]

It seems pretty clear to me that by saying **** like this you don't actually read any comic books. John Stewart has had plenty of good storylines in the comic books. Especially as of late.

What? Mosaic? The super recent GLC stuff? That's all anyone ever talks about, and Mosaic (generally considered to be John's best story) is pretty damn weak compared to Hal's best.

I read the Xanshi storyline years ago and that was also lame.

There's never been a Geoff Johns GL quality John storyline that majorly impacts the GL mythology.

He's so minor in the comics, and Hal's stuff is so much better. Geoff Johns' run is by far the character's best run. This is generally agreed upon by fans.

I like John Stewart. But John Stewart of the JL animated series is so much better than the John of the comics.

Kyle and Hal utterly wreck John Stewart in the comics, the two of them have FAR superior storylines, John doesn't even compare. John's best appearance was on JL TAS, and he was awesome there.

I've loosened my stance. A John/Hal amalgamation would be acceptable.

A Blackest Night movie series would be the Star Wars of the DC universe, I'd be fine if John replaced Hal in a film adaptation of Blackest Night, so long as John has Hal's relationship with Sinestro.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Nerdist had an interesting idea of Abin Sur being the GL that shows up at the end of the JL movie, and then having him team up with the League in JL2. He'd then get killed in that film, and we'd be introduced to Hal or John there, who would take up the ring and that would lead into a new GL movie series. I think that could be a great way to go with it, because then you'd have a meaningful character death in JL2, and the stage set for the "main" GL to take over.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Nerdist had an interesting idea of Abin Sur being the GL that shows up at the end of the JL movie, and then having him team up with the League in JL2. He'd then get killed in that film, and we'd be introduced to Hal or John there, who would take up the ring and that would lead into a new GL movie series. I think that could be a great way to go with it, because then you'd have a meaningful character death in JL2, and the stage set for the "main" GL to take over.

That's a nice idea. Sort of like The New Frontier, just with even more Abin Sur.

Green Lantern isn't a character that you can just throw into a movie without any explanation. His origin should be explained, and showing his origin in a JL film would be a very wise move.

JL New Frontier proves that you can incorporate at least two superhero origins into a JL storyline without those origins taking anything away from the general plot.

 

[Young Superman]

I'll be shocked if the GL they use is not Hal Jordon.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I'll be shocked if the GL they use is not Hal Jordon.

I hope so. But it's not the end of the world if they go with someone else.

Hal, John, Guy and Kyle each bring something to the table, they're all great characters and reasonable choices for a movie series. I've downplayed my liking for some of them, mostly to prop up my favorite t:, but the fact is John, Guy and Kyle are all great characters worthy of the big screen treatment.


So long as the GL used has a strong connection to Sinestro, they'll be set.

I think most would be happy with the idea of a John/Hal amalgamation. And that may be the best idea for WB to go with.

John is well known as one of the few good black superheroes, it'd be smart for WB to capitalize on that, i do think that using John would attract a lot of people to the movie. But John isn't perfect. Some aspects of Hal's character should be amalgamated into John's storyline if they use him. Sinestro is the main thing. Carol Ferris would also be squandered unless they did some rewriting..

 

[Cain]

What? Mosaic? The super recent GLC stuff? That's all anyone ever talks about, and Mosaic (generally considered to be John's best story) is pretty damn weak compared to Hal's best.

I read the Xanshi storyline years ago and that was also lame.

There's never been a Geoff Johns GL quality John storyline that majorly impacts the GL mythology.

He's so minor in the comics, and Hal's stuff is so much better. Geoff Johns' run is by far the character's best run. This is generally agreed upon by fans.

I like John Stewart. But John Stewart of the JL animated series is so much better than the John of the comics.

Kyle and Hal utterly wreck John Stewart in the comics, the two of them have FAR superior storylines, John doesn't even compare. John's best appearance was on JL TAS, and he was awesome there.

First of all Mosaic was one of the greatest things to ever happen to Green Lantern as a mythology and Gerard Jones was twice the writer Geoff Johns was with the GLC. I like Geoff Johns and Hal Jordan has always been my favorite Green Lantern. He's the one I want in the movies and he's the one I own the most comics of in terms of main GL followed by Kyle Rayner. Because they've had the most comics as the main GL. However the GL concept is what I like most. It's not some dick measuring contest in my eyes. I appreciate all those characters for what they add to the DCU.

With John Stewart Green Lantern Vol. 2 #182, #183, #185, Green Lantern Corps vol.1 #203, #207, #219 are just some comics you might actually want to check out before dismissing John Stewart in the comic books as not having good storylines.

Which is what this is about in the end. It's not about how his stories compare to Jordan or Rayner which is subjective stuff anyway. You downright said John Stewart had no good storylines in the comic books. That's false and you should expect to get called out on something like that by comic book fans.


...and yes that's not even getting into the last 10 years of Green Lantern Corps. I've never seen an episode of Justice League a day in my life. I outgrew the Timm verse by Batman Beyond. I don't know what he's like on that show and I frankly don't care. If I did I would've watched.

What I do know is that today as a fan of Green Lantern comic books I could depend on two books to come through for me the most out of the entire line. Neither of them star Kyle Rayner or Hal Jordan. I like those characters but at this point they definitely have the weakest books on the racks right now and I don't even read NG regularly like that. Making an exception for now cause of an ongoing cross over event aside.

Red Lanterns and Green Lantern Corps starring Guy Gardner and John Stewart respectively is where it's at in terms of quality. You won't find many GL fans that would disagree with that. Why? they have good storylines.

 

[Rorschach2012]

First of all Mosaic was one of the greatest things to ever happen to Green Lantern as a mythology and Gerard Jones was twice the writer Geoff Johns was with the character. I like Geoff Johns and Hal Jordan has always been my favorite Green Lantern but the GL concept is what I like most. It's not some dick measuring contest in my eyes. I appreciate all those characters for what they add to the DCU.

With John Stewart Green Lantern Vol. 2 #182, #183, #185, Green Lantern Corps vol.1 #203, #207, #219 are just some comics you might actually want to check out before dismissing John Stewart in the comic books as not having good storylines.

Which is what this is about in the end. It's not about how his stories compare to Jordan or Rayner which is subjective stuff anyway. You downright said John Stewart had no good storylines in the comic books. That's false.


...and yes that's not even getting into the last 10 years of Green Lantern Corps. I've never seen an episode of Justice League a day in my life. I outgrew the Timm verse by Batman Beyond. I don't know what he's like on that show and I frankly don't care. If I did I would've watched.

What I do know is that today as a fan of Green Lantern comic books I could depend on two books to come through for me the most out of the entire line. Neither of them star Kyle Rayner or Hal Jordan. I like those characters but at this point they definitely have the weakest books on the racks right now and I don't even read NG regularly like that. Making an exception for now cause of an ongoing cross over event aside.

Red Lanterns and Green Lantern Corps starring Guy Gardner and John Stewart respectively is where it's at in terms of quality. You won't find many GL fans that would disagree with that. Why? they have good storylines.

We'll have to agree to disagree about Mosaic..

None of the storylines you named would be even remotely appropriate for a film adaptation, and ultimately we're discussing which character would be best for a film adaptation, now that a solo movie has been announced.

I'll adjust my point. In the comics, John Stewart is lacking in storylines that would be good for a film adaptation. Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner are not lacking in this.

That's a shame that you can't get into the DCAU. It's awesome.

 

[Cain]

We'll have to agree to disagree about Mosaic..

None of the storylines you named would be even remotely appropriate for a film adaptation, and ultimately we're discussing which character would be best for a film adaptation, now that a solo movie has been announced.

Right I wasn't talking about them being adapted into film. I was talking about them being good storylines in the comic books something you had said didn't exist. However I rather any Green Lantern have brand new storylines when adapted to any medium. I don't want to see Kyle's girlfriend getting fridged on film I wouldn't want to see Emerald Dawn or Secret Origin on film etc.

I appreciate influences but get freaking creative and give us new stories. This is why I appreciates BvS' boldness despite not liking MOS at all. At least it's concerned with more world building and doing it on it's own terms.

I prefer comic books stay comic books. You could tell all kinds of stories with these characters that would be more appropriate for film or TV by just letting loose and doing what's best for those mediums. Not giving people a frame by frame recreation of something they find in the comic book. This is also why I like The Flash TV show. They change just enough to make it fresh but it comes from the same DNA as any other piece of Flash media.

That's what I want with all DC adaptations. Be bold and just do what you feel is best as long as the characters are identifiable as whoever they're supposed to be at their core.

 

[DrCosmic]

LOL you opened the can of worms first, when you suggested that "another white superhero" is a negative thing in the CW expansion thread. I'm sure you know which post i'm talking about.

There's nothing negative about more white heroes. You don't understand the fact that even though diversity is a good thing, it doesn't make "another white superhero" a bad thing.

I don't care to continue this conversation, I've said everything I need to on the subject. And I've definitely gotten my point across. Hopefully you know better than to make comments like that now.

Edit: Just for the sake of others reading, no such post exists.
Edit edit: Neither did this actually happen in the comics, just FYI.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Right I wasn't talking about them being adapted into film. I was talking about them being good storylines in the comic books something you had said didn't exist. However I rather any Green Lantern have brand new storylines when adapted to any medium. I don't want to see Kyle's girlfriend getting fridged on film I wouldn't want to see Emerald Dawn or Secret Origin on film etc.

I appreciate influences but get freaking creative and give us new stories. This is why I appreciates BvS' boldness despite not liking MOS at all. At least it's concerned with more world building and doing it on it's own terms.

I prefer comic books stay comic books. You could tell all kinds of stories with these characters that would be more appropriate for film or TV by just letting loose and doing what's best for those mediums. Not giving people an adaptation of something they find in the comic book. This is also why I like The Flash TV show. They change just enough to make it fresh but it comes from the same DNA as any other piece of Flash media.

That's what I want with all DC adaptations. Be bold and just do what you feel is best as long as the characters are identifiable as whoever they're supposed to be at their core.

Nobody wants to see direct adaptations of storylines from the comics. That would be stupid. But picking and choosing certain plot points from the comics is what they should do. Nolan and Goyer took many recognizable plot points from various Batman comics and repurposed them into their stories. They should do the same for a GL movie, draw from the best stuff, combining a bunch of different influences into the best possible GL script.

 

[SlamAdams]

Nobody wants to see direct adaptations of storylines from the comics. That would be stupid. But picking and choosing certain plot points from the comics is what they should do. Nolan and Goyer took many recognizable plot points from various Batman comics and repurposed them into their stories. They should do the same for a GL movie, draw from the best stuff, combining a bunch of different influences into the best possible GL script.

That said, I do really like Geoff Johns redo of the Secret Origin, just edit down a lot of the childhood drama.

 

[Rorschach2012]

That said, I do really like Geoff Johns redo of the Secret Origin, just edit down a lot of the childhood drama.

I like Secret Origin, but Hal should have a traumatic past in the air force. That should be an early source of drama for Hal to overcome, i think the parental issues trope is played out.

 

[SlamAdams]

I like Secret Origin, but Hal should have a traumatic past in the air force. That should be an early source of drama for Hal to overcome, i think the parental issues trope is played out.

The father aspect should be fine, but all the stuff about his feuding with his brother, and acting out as a kid, and essentially being disowned by his mother for joining the military. Skip that.

Start with him in a bar downing his sorrows for being dishonorably discharged for going AWOL to see his mother on her death bed and a few flashbacks to the pane accident with his father.

 

[Rorschach2012]

The father aspect should be fine, but all the stuff about his feuding with his brother, and acting out as a kid, and essentially being disowned by his mother for joining the military. Skip that.

Start with him in a bar downing his sorrows for being dishonorably discharged for going AWOL to see his mother on her death bed and a few flashbacks to the pane accident with his father.

They should just do the Hal origin like revlver was saying, the Hal origin could be worked into a Justice League film, and then the solo GL movie could jump right in with Hal already established without having to focus on his origin. A Sinestro Corps War/First Flight hybrid would be totally ideal for the reboot.

Edit: Just for the sake of others reading, no such post exists.
Edit edit: Neither did this actually happen in the comics, just FYI.

You said that you didn't want Hal Jordan/Green Lantern to be the next CW series because you don't want the trinity of the CW universe to be three white guys. To me, that seems like you think that another white superhero is a bad thing. Maybe i misunderstood though.

Personally I see no problem with the three main characters of that universe being 3 white dudes. Ollie, Barry and Hal are three of the best characters in comics period, and we're confirmed to be getting a Supergirl show that might be in continuity. Not to mention how well received the female characters have been on Arrow. On The Flash and Arrow, the main characters are white, but there is a lot of diversity on those shows anyways. I feel like everyone is pretty well represented on those shows. i would expect the same from a GL tv show.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I won't lie. When I read Secret Origins, I wanted to throw it in the trash. First Hal book I picked up. He is an unlikable *****e in the first chapter. Grant it, it's different but when you have heroes like Bats or Spidey who would give anything for 5 minutes with their parents or Uncle, you have Hal leave his family and just be a totally dick to them. You then have Hal be a dick to the military. He was just an unlikable *****e in the first chapter of it.

My favorite Hal stuff is New Frontier.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I won't lie. When I read Secret Origins, I wanted to throw it in the trash. First Hal book I picked up. He is an unlikable *****e in the first chapter. Grant it, it's different but when you have heroes like Bats or Spidey who would give anything for 5 minutes with their parents or Uncle, you have Hal leave his family and just be a totally dick to them. You then have Hal be a dick to the military. He was just an unlikable *****e in the first chapter of it.

There are aspects of Secret Origin that i don't like, and aspects that i love. The perfect Hal origin lies in between the origins in Emerald Dawn, Secret Origin, The New Frontier, and First Flight.

The next GL movie definitely shouldn't be an origin story, i think they could use Hal, John, Guy and Kyle and they could just force the audience to catch up.


To be honest, I would love to see Jack Black/Guy Gardner in a supporting role in a GL corps film. He was going to play Green Lantern before, and I think he would bring a lot to a GL movie, and I think he could really nail the character.

The idea of a Jack Black lead movie is awful, that turns GL into a complete joke, but as a supporting character, he could bring a lot to the table, he's a great comedic actor, and I think he could definitely look the part too.

They could even go with their other old casting choice... Common as John Stewart. The dude is a good actor, and I think they were onto something when they cast him before.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

My pick for Guy, Marky Mark. Just why not? He fits Guy perfectly.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Jack Black? lol Wut? Is it April 1st?

 

[Rorschach2012]

Jack Black? lol Wut? Is it April 1st?

For Guy Gardner? It's actually fitting. A JLI inspired Guy Gardner is a character that would benefit from an actor with a strong comedic background. I'm all for Jack Black as Guy Gardner.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No thanks, I don't want Jack Black anywhere near the DCCU, especially as a Superhero.

 

[Rorschach2012]

No thanks, I don't want Jack Black anywhere near the DCU, especially as a Superhero.

I really like the guy.

I think Guy should provide a lot of the comic relief for a GL series. Seth Rogen or Jack Black would both work well IMO.

The casting for the DCCU so far has been extremely unconventional so far, i think Hal's casting will be as surprising as the rest of the cast.

Hal Jordan: Aaron Paul

John Stewart: Idris Elba

Guy Gardner: Jack Black

Carol Ferris: Emilia Clarke

Katma Tui: Olga Kurylenko

Ganthet: Ian McDiarmid

Sinestro: Mads Mikkelsen

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I am just fine with unconventional casting but there is a limit. I don't hate Black I just don't think he's Superhero material at all. Seth Rogen was wildly miscast in Green Hornet so no to him as well. I do not get your casting choices at all and I am hella open minded.

Tired of seeing Paul fancast and Franco is under the impression that Cavill doesn't like him so I'd doubt his weird self would want to be in Justice League with him.

 

[CB Fan]

I'm not too familiar with the GL's but would it be possible to have Hal, John, Kyle, and Guy in the new film? Surely there's some good stories that include all of them.