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If they'd used Hal it wouldn't have been as good or as memorable. Hal has been used countless times before & it never amounted to anything.
A John movie being as terrible as what we got seems very unlikely. Unless they basically made him a black Hal, some of the bad things about the film automatically change for the better. The whole "whitewashing" bad buzz wouldn't have existed and the generation that grew up watching JLU(and was now all grown up w/disposable income) would have been interested. The main character would have looked cool instead of silly/stupid, which does matter in this genre. No boring earthly love interest since John likes to bang alien chicks. A John film would very likely have made more money. How much more is the question. A bad John film would likely make more than a bad Hal film just on the character being better and having more "curb appeal". I get different answers on this all the time from Hal fans: Did the film at least get Hal Jordan right?
This comment literally makes no sense. First, why would Hal not have been memorable on the show? He has the biggest amount of signature stories, villains and supporting characters for them to use, because he happens to be the protagonist of the GL franchise. Again, there was some great people handling that show, they would've utilized Hal in the best way possible, much better than WB and Greg Berlanti did(which also gives you my opinion on whether they got Hal right in the movie). The character and his stories can be adapted in a great way and just because you don't like him and think John is "better", doesn't mean he wouldn't have been memorable, that's some pretty wild guess there. Furthermore, Hal doesn't work because he is boring and stupid? You realize that you can introduce a character who fulfills the cocky hero type and make him "cool", without turning him into a moron? Did the general audience not respond to Star-Lord? I think they did more than well. And if they want to depict a more serious Hal they can do it just as easy. If Hal is introduced into the movie universe, he is not going to be used as some comedic relief that butts heads with Batman every two seconds, he is going to be a character that properly fits the story they try to tell. You saw what they did with Superman, you think they can't have a "serious" Hal? Like I mentioned with Guardians of the Galaxy, the idea that superheroes who fulfill the cocky womanizing stereotype can't connect to the audience, makes no sense and has been proven wrong time and time again(boy they sure as hell seem to hate Iron Man). In short, no, a bad John movie would not have been more successful than a bad Hal movie for the simple fact that people don't like bad movies.
This'll make me look like a bad guy to some of Hal's fans, but I gotta be honest. I don't want Hal in John's movie because I don't want anything there that can possibly hold the film back. I don't want people to be thinking about Hal's mess of a film. Hal got a chance on his own & John deserves a chance on his own. I'd rather see John by himself or John and Guy. They've tried for over half a century to make Hal "happen" and for whatever reason(s), it hasn't. I've heard that when you want something you've never had before, sometimes you gotta do something you've never done before. Change the "face" of the franchise if you want GL to really mean something outside of comics. Get fully behind somebody else like they have w/Hal & see what happens. Let's use that great corps aspect that GL can have over any other franchise & let somebody else shine. They also say absence makes the heart grow fonder. Give Hal a rest until his haters start to miss him. There was a time when I had nothing but apathy for Hal. You have no idea how much I miss those days.Many of these DC related media happened before his 2011 film. I honestly don't see signs of any impact they made because people still complained of whitewashing when his 2011 film was about to come out.
If the movie is good, people are not going to think of the previous one, which by that time would be almost a decade old. They didn't think of Batman & Robin when they saw Batman Begins. Just so I'm clear, I don't compare Hal to Batman in terms of main stream appeal, I'm saying that if audiences could forget that a movie about an icon like Batman was so atrocious, because the new version delivered, they can do the same thing with a lesser known character like Hal. To me having more GLs in the movie is always a plus and there won't be more needless origin stories that people are so over it. And like I said before, the notion that Hal must be replaced for the franchise to "mean something" is nothing short of ignorant. DC is a company that aims to make profit, I suspect that if Hal Jordan was as toxic of a character as you make him out to be, they would've retired him a long time ago.
I find that VERY hard to believe. Maybe some, but just as many? Nah.
I've seen more than my fair share of it. When you have different characters carrying the same superhero name with a passionate fanbase, that's what usually tends to happen. And it does on both sides, on a frequent basis. One of my main reasons to dislike the Hal/John arguments as much as I do.
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