Which Hulk Is Stronger? (2008 or 2003)

[Syncos]

You only have to compare what they do and the effect they have on the physical objects around them.

The most obvious feat of strength is that 03 Hulk threw a massive tank, leverage or not, and that's a hell of a feat. All this talk about "he had a running start" is absurd. You try throwing something proportionate to your weight like that, running start or leverage or no. You can't just spin around and suddenly be able to throw something seven times heavier than you can generally throw regardless. That isn't how it works.

Look at when he threw the gamma sphere. Look how FAR he threw it, in an awkward pose.

Broke a Hulk dog's mouth with his shoulder muscle.

Brought down a tree.

He broke out of the high tech tank thing as opposed to a medical bed.

He survived the explosion that Talbot apparently did not.

He could jump MUCH farther.

He survived an MIRV attack.

He batted away missles like they were nothing.

He was faster, which would tend to indicate more strength.

He fell from space and survived.

Toward the end of the 2003 movie, Hulk was able to "bring down" a chopper and a jet plane simply by jumping on them (This Hulk went along for the ride on the chopper and The Abomination was with him)

He picked up a big ass rock formation, and he fought a lightning creature, and then a massive element cloud, and won. Oh, and he survived a nuclear blast.

This version of The Hulk did battle Abomination, but so what? The Abomination was strong, but obviously no stronger than this version of The Hulk, so he can't be THAT strong.

Hell, even 2003 Bruce Banner, when he was beginning to transform and was still in human form, was much stronger than Norton's Banner was. Remember when he tossed Talbot across the room?

This is what I don't get when people whine about the action in 2003. In many ways, it was more impressive than what happened in THE INCREDIBLE HULK. It just wasn't as violent. 2003 Hulk was clearly stronger, and he found himselfs in situations that required more strength than 2008 Hulk did.

You all can pretend what you want to believe. But Hulk was shown doing more impressive feats of strength in HULK than in THE INCREDIBLE HULK.

That sure is a long list of stuff that doesn't seem very impressive.

Hulk 08 ripped apart a police car like it was friggin silly puddy and used it as gloves.

Clapped his hands soo hard it created a shockwave that put out an explosion.

Slammed the ground causing a tremor and the earth to split.

Took on everything the army had to give, including gunships and sonic cannons.

etc.

he did plenty to indicate having excessive amounts of strength.

 

[Anubis Raptor]

That sure is a long list of stuff that doesn't seem very impressive.

Hulk 08 ripped apart a police car like it was friggin silly puddy and used it as gloves.

Clapped his hands soo hard it created a shockwave that put out an explosion.

Slammed the ground causing a tremor and the earth to split.

Took on everything the army had to give, including gunships and sonic cannons.

etc.

he did plenty to indicate having excessive amounts of strength.

This is what I've been trying to say!!!!!!!

 

[ant3ros]

Are people talking about base strength? Because, both Hulks get stronger as they get madder.

I don't think size plays a factor in strength. There's a small guy called Superman who's pretty strong.

Someone said that it's more understandable to show Hulk's strength increase by making his body grow larger as Hulk 03 did. I disagree because that's not how humans are. When Hulk 08 was trying to overcome Abomination, you could see it in his face and his effort that he was getting stronger. I think that facial expression of struggle is the best indication of strength increase. It's like when you're trying to max out a bench press, the more you exert yourself, the stronger you lift. There's a scene like that in Unbreakable done well and it too is about strength increase.

As far as base strength goes, I'm not sure. Since Hulk 03 has to grow, he is smallest and weakest right after Banner transforms which would be his base strength. I don't remember how he was like right after he transformed.

 

[Sava]

That sure is a long list of stuff that doesn't seem very impressive.

Hulk 08 ripped apart a police car like it was friggin silly puddy and used it as gloves.

Clapped his hands soo hard it created a shockwave that put out an explosion.

Slammed the ground causing a tremor and the earth to split.

Took on everything the army had to give, including gunships and sonic cannons.

etc.

he did plenty to indicate having excessive amounts of strength.

lol, Ang's Hulk riped the top of a tank off

He hit the ground causing a mini earth quake and sent cars flying

he took EVERYTHING the army had but only stopped because of Betty.

 

[redlion2]

Both Hulks have unlimited strength.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Isn't this a pointless discussion because in future films the Hulk will never have a challenge that he will be too weak to perform given he will be portrayed with unlimited strength. And he will have whatever strength the movie requires.

 

[irapogi]

my opinion is that it's all in the styling.

ang lee likes making exagerated movements. just see crouching tiger hidden dragon.
thus hulk's strength and feats.

LL wanted to make a great action film.
if he wanted to do that, the hulk has to have a TINY bit of suspense.
thus, he's still stronger than everyone, but it's enjoyable to watch, right?

If LL had the hulk who's strong enough to carry a mountain (i totally remember that issue, haha)
then he might as well just flick abomination away. right?!
just one punch and he's down.

but it doesn't mean we've seen the limit of hulk's strength.

so hopefully, if there's a sequel, and we get stronger enemies and threats, we're sure to get stronger feats.

just my opinion

 

[irapogi]

Isn't this a pointless discussion because in future films the Hulk will never have a challenge that he will be too weak to perform given he will be portrayed with unlimited strength. And he will have whatever strength the movie requires.

exactly.

tho maybe they're referring to what's shown in the films exactly.

 

[redlion2]

The tank throw is very impressive but how fair is it to compare 03 Hulk when he's at his peak anger/size/strength to 08 Hulk when the only time he reached his peak is during the fight with Abomination?

When 03 takes on Ross and the military he's at his strongest. When 08 takes on the military he hasn't reached his strongest yet and he still defeats them. To be fair, they ought to be compared when they're roughly about the same size before either one has gotten madder and stronger.

It's like taking two world class sprinters and pumping one with roids and giving him a headstart in a 100 meter race and then saying the regular sprinter is not as fast if he doesn't win the race. It would be unfair.

 

[ironwez20]

03 hulk couldnt hold his own with those sonic cannons im telling you he would be a dead man, 08 hulk has the smarts and after seeing this movie again i have to see this hulk would scare the crap outta 03 hulk.

 

[Anubis Raptor]

03 hulk couldnt hold his own with those sonic cannons im telling you he would be a dead man, 08 hulk has the smarts and after seeing this movie again i have to see this hulk would scare the crap outta 03 hulk.

Couldn't agree more!

 

[Wyrminarrd]

I have to side with 03 Hulk, he´s clearly stronger then 08 based on what´s seen on screen.

Based on 03´s leaping abilities compared with 08´s it seems very likely that 03 has stronger leggs and would have easily powered through the sonic cannons (btw, what would the army have done if Hulk had simply jumped up and out of the sound waves?).

There is nothing in the 08 film that matches the tank fight in 03, ripping cars apart is easy in comparison.

That said I prefered the 08 Hulk as he was more feral but I do wish there had been some feat he did that showed his true strength (no lifting mountans (though he only braced it in that comic))

 

[Bren]

The way I see it;
I'm a biggish guy, and pretty strong. I've done some martial arts, wrestling and boxing (wasn't very good though ) and gym regularly. But I've got this cousin, he's quite a bit smaller than me, doesn't gym at all and really doesn't come across as much, but lord, I saw him in a fight once and he scares the bejeesus out of me!

I can beat him around a gym, but he'll beat me around the park, if you know what I mean. Same with 03 vs 08.

 

[hulkalong]

If this hulk is going to be stronger than the hulk in 03, then it is going to have to look like this:

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

You only have to compare what they do and the effect they have on the physical objects around them.

The most obvious feat of strength is that 03 Hulk threw a massive tank, leverage or not, and that's a hell of a feat. All this talk about "he had a running start" is absurd. You try throwing something proportionate to your weight like that, running start or leverage or no. You can't just spin around and suddenly be able to throw something seven times heavier than you can generally throw regardless. That isn't how it works.

Look at when he threw the gamma sphere. Look how FAR he threw it, in an awkward pose.

Broke a Hulk dog's mouth with his shoulder muscle.

Brought down a tree.

He broke out of the high tech tank thing as opposed to a medical bed.

He survived the explosion that Talbot apparently did not.

He could jump MUCH farther.

He survived an MIRV attack.

He batted away missles like they were nothing.

He was faster, which would tend to indicate more strength.

He fell from space and survived.

Toward the end of the 2003 movie, Hulk was able to "bring down" a chopper and a jet plane simply by jumping on them (This Hulk went along for the ride on the chopper and The Abomination was with him)

He picked up a big ass rock formation, and he fought a lightning creature, and then a massive element cloud, and won. Oh, and he survived a nuclear blast.

This version of The Hulk did battle Abomination, but so what? The Abomination was strong, but obviously no stronger than this version of The Hulk, so he can't be THAT strong.

Hell, even 2003 Bruce Banner, when he was beginning to transform and was still in human form, was much stronger than Norton's Banner was. Remember when he tossed Talbot across the room?

This is what I don't get when people whine about the action in 2003. In many ways, it was more impressive than what happened in THE INCREDIBLE HULK. It just wasn't as violent. 2003 Hulk was clearly stronger, and he found himselfs in situations that required more strength than 2008 Hulk did.

You all can pretend what you want to believe. But Hulk was shown doing more impressive feats of strength in HULK than in THE INCREDIBLE HULK.

Thank You, bro. I was beginning to lose hope. Everyone here is in make believe land wanting and making themselves believe TIH is superior to the HULK in every way. Whether it's quality of the movie, performances, or in this case the complete mental fabrication that TIH was stronger and exhibited more impressive feats of strength than HULK.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

Fair enough.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you can generally throw a 200 pound weight standing still, or with minimal effort. Now run at it, pick it up, spin around and lets see you throw a 1200 pound weight ten, twenty, thirty times or more further than you can throw that 200 pound weight.

Go ahead, I'm waiting.

I also fail to see how a 15 foot tall being weighs THAT much more than a 12 foot tall one. And isn't weight and the application of one's weight generally related to strength?

That's the point, I don't know where they are getting their laws of physics from. As if someone can just walk up to an object that is much heavier than them and be able to twirl it and throw it. And in that case, if you're not stronger than the object, the object is actually twirling you around, and not the other way around. It reguires more strength to lift, spin, and not just let go of the object ... but THROW it. They aren't understand this, D.

I mean that is a much greater feat of strength than in TIH when the Hulk, who weighs in an around near what a forklift would weigh ... picks it up and throws it.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

You could at least succumb to the "missile" one as you know... Abomination catches a missile bashes it against his head and just laughs.... and Hulk kicks his boney butt.

Abomination catches a bazooka, which is alittle different compared to supersonic AMRAM missles shot out of military fighter jets.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

He also didn't throw it 50 mph straight up in the air and struggled to pick it up.

He also didn't throw it 50 mph straight up in the air and struggled to pick it up.

This guy times how fast he threw the rock ... for comparison sake.



What did you have a radar gun in the theatre?

Yeah, and HULK isn't chunky in Ang Lee's Hulk. His musculature was realistically laid out, making him a much more believable looking creature. His body structure and mass was comparable to world's strongest man competitors. No body is rupped 24/7, muscles rest and sit. Even so I found TIH being ripped to the point of disgust was a distraction at times, and in no way was realistic body structure even for a half human half beast like character.

Didn't know this was a fat or pudgy Hulk ... Because you know fat and pudgy people look just like this all the time on the street.

 

[November Rain]

So a 5-year old shown lifting his bike compared to a video of Arnold Schwarzenegger sleeping means that the 5-year old is stronger? It's a FACT that the 5-year old was shown performing a feat far more impressive than...sleeping...so, that can only mean that the 5-year old has to be stronger than Arnold.

Great logic!

I know a few women that use similar logic during arguments!

What you say is 'based on what is shown, evidence suggests one is stronger than the other, however it is impossible to be conclusive until they are performing similar feats'.

Which is ultimately what everyone is trying to do.

Simply saying one can do everything the other one showed even if they didn't show it themselves is just having plausible denial.

I could say just because wolverine hasn't thrown a tank doesn't mean he cant based on that argument and you'd have no ground to disprove it. it really holds no ground in a debate.

 

[November Rain]

You only have to compare what they do and the effect they have on the physical objects around them.

The most obvious feat of strength is that 03 Hulk threw a massive tank, leverage or not, and that's a hell of a feat. All this talk about "he had a running start" is absurd. You try throwing something proportionate to your weight like that, running start or leverage or no. You can't just spin around and suddenly be able to throw something seven times heavier than you can generally throw regardless. That isn't how it works.

Look at when he threw the gamma sphere. Look how FAR he threw it, in an awkward pose.

Broke a Hulk dog's mouth with his shoulder muscle.

Brought down a tree.

He broke out of the high tech tank thing as opposed to a medical bed.

He survived the explosion that Talbot apparently did not.

He could jump MUCH farther.

He survived an MIRV attack.

He batted away missles like they were nothing.

He was faster, which would tend to indicate more strength.

He fell from space and survived.

Toward the end of the 2003 movie, Hulk was able to "bring down" a chopper and a jet plane simply by jumping on them (This Hulk went along for the ride on the chopper and The Abomination was with him)

He picked up a big ass rock formation, and he fought a lightning creature, and then a massive element cloud, and won. Oh, and he survived a nuclear blast.

This version of The Hulk did battle Abomination, but so what? The Abomination was strong, but obviously no stronger than this version of The Hulk, so he can't be THAT strong.

Hell, even 2003 Bruce Banner, when he was beginning to transform and was still in human form, was much stronger than Norton's Banner was. Remember when he tossed Talbot across the room?

This is what I don't get when people whine about the action in 2003. In many ways, it was more impressive than what happened in THE INCREDIBLE HULK. It just wasn't as violent. 2003 Hulk was clearly stronger, and he found himselfs in situations that required more strength than 2008 Hulk did.

You all can pretend what you want to believe. But Hulk was shown doing more impressive feats of strength in HULK than in THE INCREDIBLE HULK.

Here is pretty much a ten minute summary of what you just said.

ps, he also had raptor jet calibur bullets bouncing off his chest and managed to change the flight path of one just by jumping on it.

 

[Sarg92]

But both Hulk's get stronger depending on their level of rage. We do not know how angry each Hulk was at each feat to make a fair comparision. Sure you can say Ang's Hulk did more impressive feats of strength but he could have been much more angrier than the Hulk in this film.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

Here is pretty much a ten minute summary of what you just said.

ps, he also had raptor jet calibur bullets bouncing off his chest and managed to change the flight path of one just by jumping on it.

To me the strength of HULK is fully exhibited when he manages to hold onto an F-22, which a) reaches supersonic without lighting it's afterburners and b) is the only fighter capable of surpassing Mach 1 going completely verticle.

Can you imagine the strength it would take to hold onto an F-22 cutting through the air like a shark, going verticle towards the stratosphere? Then survive a fall from space into the Pacific Ocean? haha





Strongest there is ...

 

[November Rain]

don't think it was going at supersonic speeds to be honest, they would have made a big deal about the sonic boom effects which the scene lasted.

still get your point though

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

But both Hulk's get stronger depending on their level of rage. We do not know how angry each Hulk was at each feat to make a fair comparision. Sure you can say Ang's Hulk did more impressive feats of strength but he could have been much more angrier than the Hulk in this film.

Hmmm, this is true, but we can reasonably assume both Hulks were mad. What are we judging the levels of how pissed they were now in an effort to give TIH a chance in this debate? They were both mad, plain and simple. Even as he got more upset, and in TIH he almost watched Betty die which is about as pissed as you could make Bruce, so it's reasonable to assume we saw Hulk more upset in TIH then at various points in HULK. Imagine if we saw someone almost kill Betty in HULK? I mean think about it. TIH made Abomination pass out by pulling the chain around his neck when he was at his most pissed in the movie. Can you imagine if Betty's life was threatned infront of HULK? He wouldn't make Abomination pass out, he's snap the thing's head clean off his shoulders.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

don't think it was going at supersonic speeds to be honest, they would have made a big deal about the sonic boom effects which the scene lasted.

I wasn't insinuating that, I was just saying the capabilities of the elite fighter jet in the world that HULK was playing with.