Which Hulk Is Stronger? (2008 or 2003)

[redlion2]

ang's let a tank shell blow up about a foot away from him

why all the mediocre feats used to prove points?

Yeah and 08 Hulk to two sonic cannons full bore, direct hit, for an extended period of time. Those sonic cannons are actually more impressive than people are giving credit. The script describes them as being able to instantly pulverize stone and mortor and warp steel.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I understand the reality of the situation. I even touched on it a few pages back that it isn't actually possible even if someone could lift a tank.

BTW, you can address me by name. haha

Yeah I understand, but playing the hypothetical, that would be about as impressive as it comes in terms of strength. That strength feat alone out shines every physical sequence in TIH. Not to mention, it looked genuinely authentic and real as it gets to see a 15ft tall Jolly Green Giant throwing a tank in utter child like hissy fit mode.

It was definately more impressive than ANYTHING the Hulk from TIH did.

 

[November Rain]

you still don't see you're using outside information from another medium to warrant your explantions.

I can say movie wolvie does have superhuman strength but had no form of expressing it in the film. You know as well as i do what happens in the films doesn't happen inthe comics.

so then what?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

1.He did that with 2 hands, TIH ripped apart the car with one ad held it down with the other.

2.The Cars just were sent moving, they didnt go that far, 1 car just rolled ontop of another, and you can see th Hulk standing by them.

3.TIH did the same thing.


and TIH took on a 50. cal. auto. that would blow a humans top half of their body right off the hips.

You have GOT to be kidding with that point, Ang's took tank shells from point blank range WHILE also under machine gun fire, not to mention him and his father took a gamma bomb to the face, and who survived? Hulk, he also survived a fall from the stratosphere with no ill effects at all.

 

[Lexar128]

Incorrect, as Marvel has stated in their official handbooks for years that Wolverine has no superhuman strength.

And wolverine isn't known to have any upper limit to his strength.....so my examples make perfectly good sense for a character that can support 150 billion tons on his back vs......the same character?? Now this is getting confusing.

But wait! we never saw Betty Ross throw a tank either, so that means she could do it!

 

[November Rain]

Yeah and 08 Hulk to two sonic cannons full bore, direct hit, for an extended period of time. Those sonic cannons are actually more impressive than people are giving credit. The script describes them as being able to instantly pulverize stone and mortor and warp steel.

firstly, enduring pain has nothing to do with strength but since endurance has always been kinda correlated with strength in these forums, i'll bite.

you're still using outside information to validate your points. If they don't pulverize stone and mortar in the film (ya know the thing we paid to watch and are comparing), you can't 100% say they can do it.

Which is ultimately my entire point.

 

[November Rain]

But wait! we never saw Betty Ross throw a tank either, so that means she could do it!

Betty also pinned the hulk and he couldn't get off the chair, it's in the movie, she's stronger than all versions, she pinned the hulk like abomination did.

and she survived the helicopter fall, betty is the strongest one there is.

 

[Lexar128]

you still don't see you're using outside information from another medium to warrant your explantions.

I can say movie wolvie does have superhuman strength but had no form of expressing it in the film. You know as well as i do what happens in the films doesn't happen inthe comics.

so then what?

We are going by the powers and abilities that marvel gave their characters....if you wanna say Wolverine has superhuman strength....that's fine. We know Wolverine can't do the things Hulk can do....just as Betty Ross can't do the things Wolverine can.

Now when we talk about the Hulk, which has no limit to what he can do....is there a limit on our imagination? Nope. You can't say the same for someone that doesn't have that luxury. (Betty or Wolverine)

 

[FrostBite]

There, Betty wins. End of thread. Don't get Betty love sick and defensive for Bruce you wouldn't like her when she's love sick and defensive.

Once I saw her lift a mountain, and throw it at a near by city, all because the residents were throwing cans at the Hulk.

 

[Lexar128]

There, Betty wins. End of thread. Don't get Betty love sick and defensive for Bruce you wouldn't like her when she's love sick and defensive.

Once I saw her lift a mountain, and throw it at a near by city, all because the residents were throwing cans at the Hulk.

LMAO. Couldn't have said it better myself. haha

 

[redlion2]

Here is pretty much a ten minute summary of what you just said.

ps, he also had raptor jet calibur bullets bouncing off his chest and managed to change the flight path of one just by jumping on it.

That had more to do with his weight and size than pure strength when he changed the flight path of the jet.

 

[November Rain]

We are going by the powers and abilities that marvel gave their characters....

no, YOU are going by the limits marvel gave the characters, I'm going by what I saw in the films without any outside bias of what i 'should' know. I'm comparing extracts of the films based on their merits alone.

if you wanna say Wolverine has superhuman strength....that's fine. We know Wolverine can't do the things Hulk can do....just as Betty Ross can't do the things Wolverine can.

Again, based on pre-known knowledge and nothing in the films. You don't even need to watch the films to make those statements, you're missing the point of the reason of the comparison

Now when we talk about the Hulk, which has no limit to what he can do....is there a limit on our imagination? Nope. You can't say the same for someone that doesn't have that luxury.

Comic hulk has no limit, there is nothing that states in either of these two films that both these characters don't have an upper limit to their strength. You are doing it again, using comic knowledge to describe a film character.

The easiest way to get this through is by looking at spidey. If you kept going on about spidey in spidey 2 having webshootes when the movieverse has organics, then you'd see the merry go round I'm on. You have to stick to what is seen or said or shown in the films.

You can't make up logic based on what is said in the comic books or any other form of medium.

Edit:

capitalised YOU is there only to highlight a point, this post was made in a calm reasonable fashion with no aggro

 

[The Guard]

But both Hulk's get stronger depending on their level of rage. We do not know how angry each Hulk was at each feat to make a fair comparision. Sure you can say Ang's Hulk did more impressive feats of strength but he could have been much more angrier than the Hulk in this film.

Why does it matter? Whether they're angrier or not in relation to their strength is irrelevant. Being stronger because you're angrier is still being stronger.

 

[November Rain]

That had more to do with his weight and size than pure strength when he changed the flight path of the jet.

fair enough. it's not that big a deal anywho.

 

[FrostBite]

This thread goes right up there wit the best of them like "Hey guys! What if Goku and the Hulk did the fusion dance!?"

 

[ArtTeacher]

And wolverine isn't known to have any upper limit to his strength.....

Sure he does.
Where "superhuman" begins, Wolverine hits his limit.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

no, YOU are going by the limits marvel gave the characters, I'm going by what I saw in the films without any outside bias of what i 'should' know. I'm comparing extracts of the films based on their merits alone.

Again, based on pre-known knowledge and nothing in the films. You don't even need to watch the films to make those statements, you're missing the point of the reason of the comparison

Comic hulk has no limit, there is nothing that states in either of these two films that both these characters don't have an upper limit to their strength. You are doing it again, using comic knowledge to describe a film character.

The easiest way to get this through is by looking at spidey. If you kept going on about spidey in spidey 2 having webshootes when the movieverse has organics, then you'd see the merry go round I'm on. You have to stick to what is seen or said or shown in the films.

You can't make up logic based on what is said in the comic books or any other form of medium.

Edit:

capitalised YOU is there only to highlight a point, this post was made in a calm reasonable fashion with no aggro

For once i'm gonna disagree with you NR, the end fight in Ang Lee's Hulk made it pretty clear that the '03 Hulk had limitless strength and power.

 

[redlion2]

You have GOT to be kidding with that point, Ang's took tank shells from point blank range WHILE also under machine gun fire, not to mention him and his father took a gamma bomb to the face, and who survived? Hulk, he also survived a fall from the stratosphere with no ill effects at all.

Ang's Hulk NEVER took a direct hit from a tank shell. He used the top half of another tank to take the full brunt of that shell.

The sonic cannons are very comparable to that feat. The impact of both weapons are pretty much the same as far as devastation. The cannons even have a secondary effect. They blast his eardrums, vibrate his brain and internal organs. The script says he's bleeding through his nose and ears after getting hit. 08 Hulk got hit with not just one but TWO of these cannons, direct hit.

 

[November Rain]

Ang's Hulk NEVER took a direct hit from a tank shell. He used the top half of another tank to take the full brunt of that shell.

*sigh*

please watch the video i posted on the other page, it'd make comments like this less frequent in the future.

tanks shells landed by him in the desert and exploded, tank shells also blew up his family home which he was standing right by when they went off.

so even though none hit him directly, he took effectively the full brunt of one detonating at least twice.

not to mention the nuclear blast.

*shakes head*

 

[redlion2]

you still don't see you're using outside information from another medium to warrant your explantions.

I can say movie wolvie does have superhuman strength but had no form of expressing it in the film. You know as well as i do what happens in the films doesn't happen inthe comics.

so then what?

I was actually responding more to your tank shell comment.

 

[ArtTeacher]

you still don't see you're using outside information from another medium to warrant your explantions.

...yeah...because...uh...the character in the film came first in another medium for over 30 years. Of course I'm using outside information, as did everyone involved in making the film. If the filmmakers knew nothing about Wolverine and didn't bother to look, Wolverine might have been a Swedish ballerina named Beatrice that can turn into a kitchen sink at will, but only on Tuesdays in July.

I can say movie wolvie does have superhuman strength but had no form of expressing it in the film. You know as well as i do what happens in the films doesn't happen inthe comics. so then what?

You can say whatever you want. The point still remains that the film featured a character that has no superhuman strength and the film stayed true to that. If the film showed Wolverine lifting the Washington monument, then what would your argument be? That the comic book Wolverine "does have superhuman strength, too, but has never had a form of expressing it in the comic"?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ang's Hulk NEVER took a direct hit from a tank shell. He used the top half of another tank to take the full brunt of that shell.

The sonic cannons are very comparable to that feat. The impact of both weapons are pretty much the same as far as devastation. The cannons even have a secondary effect. They blast his eardrums, vibrate his brain and internal organs. The script says he's bleeding through his nose and ears after getting hit. 08 Hulk got hit with not just one but TWO of these cannons, direct hit.

It doesnt matter what the script says, we didnt see it, and Hulk did take tank shells directly when he was on the Dune's.

*sigh*

please watch the video i posted on the other page, it'd make comments like this less frequent in the future.

tanks shells landed by him in the desert and exploded, tank shells also blew up his family home which he was standing right by when they went off.
so even though none hit him directly, he took effectively the full brunt of one detonating at least twice.

not to mention the nuclear blast.

*shakes head*

It was actually a cluster bomb that hit his house and BELIEVE me, they can do some damage.

 

[November Rain]

For once i'm gonna disagree with you NR, the end fight in Ang Lee's Hulk made it pretty clear that the '03 Hulk had limitless strength and power.

I don't believe he did

he reverted back to banner and burnt out effectively.

there must a been a peak before the reversion back to banner.

 

[ArtTeacher]

Betty also pinned the hulk and he couldn't get off the chair, it's in the movie, she's stronger than all versions, she pinned the hulk like abomination did.

and she survived the helicopter fall, betty is the strongest one there is.

Reverting to type, I see.
Again, if those are your weapons, get trained before using them.

 

[redlion2]

*sigh*

please watch the video i posted on the other page, it'd make comments like this less frequent in the future.

tanks shells landed by him in the desert and exploded, tank shells also blew up his family home which he was standing right by when they went off.

so even though none hit him directly, he took effectively the full brunt of one detonating at least twice.

not to mention the nuclear blast.

*shakes head*

No, I call hitting his body and exploding full brunt.