Which Hulk Is Stronger? (2008 or 2003)

[Lexar128]

But both Hulk's get stronger depending on their level of rage. We do not know how angry each Hulk was at each feat to make a fair comparision. Sure you can say Ang's Hulk did more impressive feats of strength but he could have been much more angrier than the Hulk in this film.

That's what I said about 3 pages back. TIH can do whatever Hulk did, and Hulk can do whatever TIH did. This debate is going alittle insane. This will more than likely be my last post in this thread. This can go on forever because everything is based on "we saw X do this, we didn't see Y do it, so that means Y can't do it"

I can't remember who said it earlier, but here's a good example

I am capable of lifting 200 lbs.....you never saw me do it.....so that means I'm not capable of lifting 200 lbs?


Based on what we saw on screen....03 Hulk did more impressive feats....but that doesn't mean TIH isn't capable of doing the same things. That's where everything becomes heresay. Saying TIH is weaker is ridicules. Maybe the poll question should have been "Which Hulk did more impressive feats of strength" That debate wouldn't have lasted long. haha

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

BTW, November Rain ... can you post the link to your video? Thanks.

 

[Cosmic]

Throwing a tank by its cannon isn't an impressive feat. It's something that temporarily takes a potentially great live-action sequence down to the level of a Saturday morning cartoon show.

 

[Nivek]

This is still going on? Do you guys debate which writer/artist made a stronger Hulk as well?

They are both Hulk, have the same X-factor, hence... The Hulk is the strongest one there is. They are both the Hulk. They both are about as strong.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

I am capable of lifting 200 lbs.....you never saw me do it.....so that means I'm not capable of lifting 200 lbs?

Using that ridiculous logic ...

We didn't see Betty lift the Humvee Thunderbolt Ross was driving in order to save Banner, we didn't see her do it, so that doesn't neccessarily mean she isn't capable.

Comparing obvious feats of strength and ability, it is evident HULK is stronger than TIH. From a leaping aspect alone. Ok, TIH is trying to escape the military at the end of the film, why would he take small leaps if he couldn't just jump 3 miles at a time like HULK?

Judging by what HULK did to three huge 8ft tall gamma irradiated dogs ... it's safe to assume HULK would've had a much easier time with Abomination than TIH, considering he was 3 feet taller than Abomination and exhibited strength capabilities far beyond both.

In TIH he slams the ground "Hulk Smash" on the roof of the building. What happens? He sends a crack through the pavement on the roof. What happens in HULK when Banner slams his fists onto the ground after manually breaking out through the concrete on the street? He makes a SMALL EARTHQUAKE and sends rows of cars toppling over each other.

There is clearly a basis for strength comparison. What's Hulk's most impressive physical feats in TIH? He throws a forklift, and splits a cop car in half with his hands. What is the most impressive physical feats in HULK? Well ...

We see Hulk running at speeds TIH and even Abomination (who is faster) can't even comprehend. We see him make jumps that last miles. He body slams an Commanche Attack Helicopter with ease. He punches the Helicopter and stops the blades, while denting the hell out of it. He throws a HUGE circular GAMMA machine through the side of a building several floors up, and it hits police cars pretty far away. He rips apart a HUGE mutated vicious dog with his bare hands. He FLEXES his neck muscle and snaps a dog's JAW. He breaks out of a top secret underground military lab. He throws a ****ing tank by it's gun several miles in the desert. What more do you want? His action scenes and physical feats were much more impressive in HULK. Oh yeah, he withstands a nuclear bomb and survives. Where as in TIH he's lucky to survive an attack from newly irradiated Blonsky.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

Throwing a tank by its cannon isn't an impressive feat. It's something that temporarily takes a potentially great live-action sequence down to the level of a Saturday morning cartoon show.

Really. If say tommorow morning on Good Morning America, they had exclusive footage of some super strong Barry Bondy streoid injected freak (sorry, had to throw in the comic relief ) throwing a tank a good mile or two by it's cannon ... you would not be impressed?

 

[November Rain]

BTW, November Rain ... can you post the link to your video? Thanks.

link's fixed, it's the majority of the action sequences from the last film

 

[Nivek]

Ahem... hey, Ang Hulk fan. You do realise a M1 tank could not be thrown by it's cannon like that, right, right, right? This was brought up countless times during the films release on these boards. It looked cool, but was as fantastical as a man growing into a 15 ft. monster.

 

[November Rain]

yeah and you realise a car can't be ripped apart like such and used for boxing gloves either

we've all accepted those levels of suspension of belief so why bring it up?

 

[Nivek]

Because this whole "debate" is absurd.

 

[TNC9852002]

So a 5-year old shown lifting his bike compared to a video of Arnold Schwarzenegger sleeping means that the 5-year old is stronger? It's a FACT that the 5-year old was shown performing a feat far more impressive than...sleeping...so, that can only mean that the 5-year old has to be stronger than Arnold.

Great logic!

I know a few women that use similar logic during arguments!

This logic doesn't work either because a 5-year old and Arnold Schwarzenegger aren't both the Hulk.

-TNC

 

[Lexar128]

Using that ridiculous logic ...

We didn't see Betty lift the Humvee Thunderbolt Ross was driving in order to save Banner, we didn't see her do it, so that doesn't neccessarily mean she isn't capable.

Comparing obvious feats of strength and ability, it is evident HULK is stronger than TIH. From a leaping aspect alone. Ok, TIH is trying to escape the military at the end of the film, why would he take small leaps if he couldn't just jump 3 miles at a time like HULK?

Judging by what HULK did to three huge 8ft tall gamma irradiated dogs ... it's safe to assume HULK would've had a much easier time with Abomination than TIH, considering he was 3 feet taller than Abomination and exhibited strength capabilities far beyond both.

In TIH he slams the ground "Hulk Smash" on the roof of the building. What happens? He sends a crack through the pavement on the roof. What happens in HULK when Banner slams his fists onto the ground after manually breaking out through the concrete on the street? He makes a SMALL EARTHQUAKE and sends rows of cars toppling over each other.

There is clearly a basis for strength comparison. What's Hulk's most impressive physical feats in TIH? He throws a forklift, and splits a cop car in half with his hands. What is the most impressive physical feats in HULK? Well ...

We see Hulk running at speeds TIH and even Abomination (who is faster) can't even comprehend. We see him make jumps that last miles. He body slams an Commanche Attack Helicopter with ease. He punches the Helicopter and stops the blades, while denting the hell out of it. He throws a HUGE circular GAMMA machine through the side of a building several floors up, and it hits police cars pretty far away. He rips apart a HUGE mutated vicious dog with his bare hands. He FLEXES his neck muscle and snaps a dog's JAW. He breaks out of a top secret underground military lab. He throws a ****ing tank by it's gun several miles in the desert. What more do you want? His action scenes and physical feats were much more impressive in HULK. Oh yeah, he withstands a nuclear bomb and survives. Where as in TIH he's lucky to survive an attack from newly irradiated Blonsky.

Ridicules logic? Ok...we never saw Betty lift the humvee.....but we are on a hulk forum talking about superhuman strength....come on man. We are talking about characters with the potential for limitless strength, not Betty Ross. My example was referring to the Hulk, not Betty.

And I never ONCE said ANYTHING about TIH being stronger.....I've been saying they are EQUAL, because they both have the same strength potential. It's obvious to everyone that has eyes that Hulk did more impressive feats, but saying TIH is WEAK, is completely insane.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

Ahem... hey, Ang Hulk fan. You do realise a M1 tank could not be thrown by it's cannon like that, right, right, right? This was brought up countless times during the films release on these boards. It looked cool, but was as fantastical as a man growing into a 15 ft. monster.

I understand the reality of the situation. I even touched on it a few pages back that it isn't actually possible even if someone could lift a tank.

BTW, you can address me by name. haha

Yeah I understand, but playing the hypothetical, that would be about as impressive as it comes in terms of strength. That strength feat alone out shines every physical sequence in TIH. Not to mention, it looked genuinely authentic and real as it gets to see a 15ft tall Jolly Green Giant throwing a tank in utter child like hissy fit mode.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

TIH isn't weak as a character, no, hell ... hardly. He's very strong given the story. But in comparison to HULK from 2003, he is substantially weaker. And I thought it was kind of obvious watching the movie. I thought they deliberetly made him less strong in the new franchise in comparison to the '03 Hulk so he could be alittle more grounded, alittle more relatable (as relatable as a pissed off 9ft tall green monster gets), and less strength added alittle more drama to a matchup against a physically superior Abomination. Get it? Yes, TIH the character is very strong. But compared to Ang Lee's HULK ... not so much.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

Because this whole "debate" is absurd.

But it is fun, and has sparked some passion on both sides = great internet debate among enthusiasts = entertainment.

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

yeah and you realise a car can't be ripped apart like such and used for boxing gloves either

we've all accepted those levels of suspension of belief so why bring it up?

And even so in the comparison between ripping a car apart which is put together mechanically by hand with weak points to structure, etc. I still find the visceral and terrifying enraged feat of ripping a dog apart to be alot more entertaining and incredible for lack of a better word. Pun, intended.

 

[November Rain]

Because this whole "debate" is absurd.

Well in all honesty, it's not but as a fan you are complicating things here.

take both films to a non fan with no history and ask who they think would take who and more than likely, they'll give you an opinion 'based' on the footage they've seen, not facts or other trivia or modern day pop culture.

in the same way you can compare the thunderbolt ross characters, the betty characters, the banner characters, you can also compare the hulk characters.

people just dont like accepting what they see infront of them. In the same way it's reported that the hulk has killed people in this film, I get people defending him saying he hasn't and ross is lying when he hasn't given us any reason to say he's lied during the film and no one has said anythin gto the contrary. The same way we as fans know he gets stronger as he gets madder but how are you going to convince a non fan member that happens in the new film if its not stated or clearly shown (separate from 2nd wind cliche) anywhere?

It's just real simple basic comprehension and reasoning skills here. But all other stuff is getting thrown into the mix.

If we had a thread about which hulk was greener, everyone would be happier saying ang's, no one would say 'TIH's hulk could have gotten greener and even though he's not in the film, it doesn't mean he couldn't be', you'd get laughed at.

So why does this logic dissapear when talking about strength?

 

[Zig-Zag Man]

BTW, that is the only reason where and how I think Ang Lee's HULK CGI started to look ridiculous. Because not only when he got more mad did he get bigger, they made him a lighter shade of green. If they kept the same shade from the first Hulk out, the dog fight, and when he breaks out the military base ... he wouldn't look ridiculous in the only scene he looks bad. When he calms down on the San Fran street. Other than that, that CGI was a life like creation of a green man monster. And yes, it was better CGI realization than TIH's efforts five years later.

 

[venomscurse2]

lol, Ang's Hulk riped the top of a tank off

He hit the ground causing a mini earth quake and sent cars flying

he took EVERYTHING the army had but only stopped because of Betty.

1.He did that with 2 hands, TIH ripped apart the car with one ad held it down with the other.

2.The Cars just were sent moving, they didnt go that far, 1 car just rolled ontop of another, and you can see th Hulk standing by them.

3.TIH did the same thing.


and TIH took on a 50. cal. auto. that would blow a humans top half of their body right off the hips.

 

[November Rain]

ang's let a tank shell blow up about a foot away from him

why all the mediocre feats used to prove points?

 

[Lexar128]

Well in all honesty, it's not but as a fan you are complicating things here.

take both films to a non fan with no history and ask who they think would take who and more than likely, they'll give you an opinion 'based' on the footage they've seen, not facts or other trivia or modern day pop culture.

in the same way you can compare the thunderbolt ross characters, the betty characters, the banner characters, you can also compare the hulk characters.

people just dont like accepting what they see infront of them. In the same way it's reported that the hulk has killed people in this film, I get people defending him saying he hasn't and ross is lying when he hasn't given us any reason to say he's lied during the film and no one has said anythin gto the contrary. The same way we as fans know he gets stronger as he gets madder but how are you going to convince a non fan member that happens in the new film if its not stated or clearly shown (separate from 2nd wind cliche) anywhere?

It's just real simple basic comprehension and reasoning skills here. But all other stuff is getting thrown into the mix.

If we had a thread about which hulk was greener, everyone would be happier saying ang's, no one would say 'TIH's hulk could have gotten greener and even though he's not in the film, it doesn't mean he couldn't be', you'd get laughed at.

So why does this logic dissapear when talking about strength?

There was not 1 time in the film that TIH had trouble doing whatever it was he wanted to do, if there was a tank in front of him, and he wanted to throw it, or rip it apart, that's exactly what he would have done. We are talking about the Hulk here, he's the strongest superhero in both DC and Marvel.

And comparing things like whose greener, and we didn't see Betty pick up a humvee, and we can't compare this or that, we are talking about strength, and whose STRONGER between the hulks. I think it's an unfair situation because TIH wasn't given the opportunity to throw a tank, for people who say he couldn't.....prove it. You will come back and say "Well prove that he can"....my response...HE'S THE HULK!!! Of course he can throw a tank! He has UNLIMITED STRENGTH! t:

 

[redlion2]

1.He did that with 2 hands, TIH ripped apart the car with one ad held it down with the other.

2.The Cars just were sent moving, they didnt go that far, 1 car just rolled ontop of another, and you can see th Hulk standing by them.

3.TIH did the same thing.


and TIH took on a 50. cal. auto. that would blow a humans top half of their body right off the hips.

Yeah, and the rest of the cars were on a steep hill to boot.

 

[November Rain]

*groan*

 

[ArtTeacher]

I could say just because wolverine hasn't thrown a tank doesn't mean he cant based on that argument and you'd have no ground to disprove it. it really holds no ground in a debate.

Incorrect, as Marvel has stated in their official handbooks for years that Wolverine has no superhuman strength.

 

[TNC9852002]

Desert sand > HULK 03

-TNC