Which is the most original Batman movie?

[Rockbottom]

Id say Burtons first Batman movie for sure. Begins while it was good, wasnt very original imo.

 

[El Payaso]

Batman 89 for was the ****, man. I was waiting for some Superman the movie rehash - which looked like THE ONLY way to go - and it was nothing like that. No Batman origin at the beginning, no New York in disguise as Gotham, Batman was there within the first 10 minutes of movie, he didn't have the most screentime, no original colors or spandex for the batsuit (to the point that even today with a reboot of the franchise, they still stick to the black rubber) and Batman wasn't the "hero" archetype.

Till today one of the most original superhero movies ever done.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Batman Returns. No-one had even done Batman that way before, or since.

 

[mystory64]

Uh I'd say Mask of the Phantasm is the most original, Batman is still the central figure in the film, not second best to the villains, and we get to see a love interest that is not only tied to his past (like Rachel in Begins) but is also his worst enemy on the hunt for the Joker. We see the origins of the Batmobile, Batman take on Gotham P.D. (right out of Year One and also to an extent later on in Begins) and get a FANTASTIC score by Shirley Walker that is original and just as good as Elfmans (of course she was his composer for both Burton films). If only the animation got a sustantial budget it would have been perfect....

 

[Rockbottom]

Great points there, as much as i love MOTP I dont think its as original as Burtons first Batman. Maybe from a story point, but not an artistic point, if you get my drift.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Uh I'd say Mask of the Phantasm is the most original, Batman is still the central figure in the film, not second best to the villains, and we get to see a love interest that is not only tied to his past (like Rachel in Begins) but is also his worst enemy on the hunt for the Joker. We see the origins of the Batmobile, Batman take on Gotham P.D. (right out of Year One and also to an extent later on in Begins) and get a FANTASTIC score by Shirley Walker that is original and just as good as Elfmans (of course she was his composer for both Burton films). If only the animation got a sustantial budget it would have been perfect....

Mask of the Phantasm is hardly original. It takes from Batman Returns (Batman's love intrest turns out to be a villain with a vendetta against another villain, at the climax Batman tries to persuade her to give it up), Batman: Year Two (the reaper storyline) and cramming the Joker in for the sake of it is hardly inspired.

 

[Rockbottom]

^The way it all comes together is inspired though. Borrowing elements isnt the same as a rip off which you make it sound like. It could also just be coinsidence that the love intrest is the villian, it happens in a lot of storys, I doubt Bruce Timm or Paul Dini were thinking or intending to copy off Returns in any way actually. It was also a mystery in MOTP however, it wasnt in Batman Returns. Also I dont think the Joker was just crammed in there at all, he served a purpose and was actually a key part of the story.

 

[mystory64]

Mask of the Phantasm is hardly original. It takes from Batman Returns (Batman's love intrest turns out to be a villain with a vendetta against another villain, at the climax Batman tries to persuade her to give it up), Batman: Year Two (the reaper storyline) and cramming the Joker in for the sake of it is hardly inspired.

Dude are you just trolling my posts or do you have anything relevant to say?

 

[Rockbottom]

I dont really think he was trolling just trying to make a point, it was all pretty relevant.

EDIT: If the person who voted for Begins could speak up, id be intrested to hear the points to support that.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Dude are you just trolling my posts or do you have anything relevant to say?

Yeah, I'm saying MotP is not very original.

 

[mystory64]

I dont really think he was trolling just trying to make a point, it was all pretty relevant.

EDIT: If the person who voted for Begins could speak up, id be intrested to hear the points to support that.

Point taken, my bad, but Batman Returns has some serious issues if you wanna talk Batman ethos...

1. Batman Sets a man on Fire
2. Batman Blows another man up with a bomb.
3. A Secretary beats up Batman.

You're right all there are totally wholly original for Batman films and not found in a comic book anywhere. But to knock Phantasm cause it takes plot points from the comics is bad form, at least the criminals are scared in Phantasm at the thought of Batman killing people, even they know he doesn't kill criminals. I only mentioned the film cause it's not even listed in the poll, which is a shame seeing it was released theatrically...

...for like a month

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Point taken, my bad, but Batman Returns has some serious issues if you wanna talk Batman ethos...

1. Batman Sets a man on Fire
2. Batman Blows another man up with a bomb.
3. A Secretary beats up Batman.

You're right all there are totally wholly original for Batman films and not found in a comic book anywhere.

LOL, sarcasm, I like it.

But to knock Phantasm cause it takes plot points from the comics is bad form

Waitwaitwait.....when did I knock Mask of the Phantasm? I simply stated it is not very original.

 

[mystory64]

LOL, sarcasm, I like it.

Waitwaitwait.....when did I knock Mask of the Phantasm? I simply stated it is not very original.

Uh it's not sarcasm it's a valid point, it's definitely original you got me there, but hardly Batman like in behavior. As for knocking MotP you said it's having borrowed plot points from comics (the Reaper storyline and the sued-o Returns villain element) was hardly inspired. You're right it's not, my bad, but Returns is hardly the most original, 89 would have to be if you're going to go down the road of there being nothing like it before. Heck even '69 had the United Nations being turned into Pixie Stick Dust, I'd call that pretty original for Batman movie... and it's not even in the poll... ah well, anyone seen the Direct to Video Subzero flick, been a while but I remember it being cool, no pun intended

 

[Catman]

Batman Returns. No-one had even done Batman that way before, or since.

Exactly.

B89 is jut Bob Kane, Bill Finger, and Frank Miller
Forever and B&R is campy Batman
Begins is just Jeph Loeb
The animated films are just O'neal/Adams

Batman Returns is just Tim Burton doing his thing.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Uh it's not sarcasm it's a valid point

It is a valid point, it just made me laugh the way you put it; Batman gets beaten up by a secretary.

As for knocking MotP you said it's having borrowed plot points from comics (the Reaper storyline and the sued-o Returns villain element) was hardly inspired. You're right it's not, my bad, but Returns is hardly the most original, 89 would have to be if you're going to go down the road of there being nothing like it before. Heck even '69 had the United Nations being turned into Pixie Stick Dust, I'd call that pretty original for Batman movie... and it's not even in the poll... ah well, anyone seen the Direct to Video Subzero flick, been a while but I remember it being cool, no pun intended

Depends how you look at it. Of course they all take from the comics, they are adaptions of said comics. But Batman Returns approaches the material in the most original way. MotP, and this is no reflection on it's quality, is more-or-less a straight adaption of the tone and characters of the comic. As many fans say, it is the most faithful and accurate translation of Bat comics to screen. Batman Returns takes the comics, mixes them in with Dr Suess and Dr Caligari, and comes out with something really unique.

 

[Dr. Fate]

I say none of them are truly "original".

 

[mystory64]

It is a valid point, it just made me laugh the way you put it; Batman gets beaten up by a secretary.

As many fans say, it is the most faithful and accurate translation of Bat comics to screen. Batman Returns takes the comics, mixes them in with Dr Suess and Dr Caligari, and comes out with something really unique.

Lol trust me it wasn't meant to be vindictive, made me laugh too, but I totally agree with you on the latter points, well said.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I say none of them are truly "original".

Oh, well done.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Lol trust me it wasn't meant to be vindictive, made me laugh too, but I totally agree with you on the latter points, well said.

 

[CConn]

BR...even though I don't even like it that much.

 

[Two-Face]

Batman 1989

 

[Abaddon]

Returns of course.

 

[The Joker]

Batman Returns.

It took alot of chances, and they paid off.

 

[mystory64]

Exactly.

B89 is jut Bob Kane, Bill Finger, and Frank Miller
Forever and B&R is campy Batman
Begins is just Jeph Loeb
The animated films are just O'neal/Adams

Begins is just Loeb? What, because Nolan said he liked the Long Halloween or Falcone is in it? Have you read Year One? There is far more Year One in Begins than TLH, as for the Animated Films I just don't get that at all, to an extent I get the year Two ref, but then by that measure you could say it's just O'neal/Davis/McFarlane. And what of Sub Zero? You said animated films what of Sub Zero is O'neal and Adams? Ah well, I agree on the Burton comment tho, Returns is him coming right off Edward Scissorhands, he was in his best element then...

 

[Catman]

Begins is just Loeb?

Yes.

Have you read Year One?

Yes.

There is far more Year One in Begins than TLH

Not really. Burton was the one who really capture Frank Miller's Batman!

as for the Animated Films I just don't get that at all, to an extent I get the year Two ref, but then by that measure you could say it's just O'neal/Davis/McFarlane.

Are you talking to me or Kevin Roegle?

And what of Sub Zero? You said animated films what of Sub Zero is O'neal and Adams?

Did you see Bruce W. Timm and Paul Dini anywhere in the credits? Sub-Zero is in continuity with the show but Timm and Dini weren't involved. Whenever those two are involved they stay faithful to the O'Neal/Adams era. Batman Beyond is possibly the only exception.