The Force Awakens Who are Rey's parents (speculation)

[Broseph44]

Oh man Darth, I just read those posts of Digi talking about Laurel Too funny, I love how he at the end of two of those posts he says the same thing, "we'll see what happens".

 

[DigificWriter]

So you get to decide when JJ is telling the truth and lying? Why?


Rey being left on Jakku does not need to coincide with the massacre.


Maz not knowing Rey means what exactly? As to whether Ben recognizes her in anyway. There is of course, "What girl?"


Nope, it is probably when Ben killed her mother. Which is why she gets that vision and a second with Kylo.


Rey was 4 and has no barring on the attack or her parents. You assumed Luke didn't hide her before the attack. Why? The reason Leia sent Ben to Luke was because he was being tempted by the Dark Side. Why wouldn't Luke hide his child in that case?


And none of this says Rey isn't a Skywalker.


You literally have no facts, and in fact avoid facts to try and further your arugment. Like you did with Laurel, like you did with the Fantastic Four.

But if you so sure answer these questions:

1. Explain how the original spoilers that told us that the planet was a weapon, that the main hero was a female Solo and that the villain was a male Solo, got all those right, but Rey?

2. Why did the very legit shot order show the potential filming of a young Rey at the temple learning? If she has never met any of these people, how does that work out?

3. If Rey isn't a Skywalker, why make a big deal of who her parents are and not tell us who they are?

4. When give a lot of evidence about a certain situation, you wouldn't buy it. Also, if you believe in taking evidence at face value, why do you deny JJ's own words?


I was going to go to through the Fantastic Four stuff, but I don't hate myself that much. You simply ignore evidence that doesn't fit your narrative.

I don't have a particular dog in this fight when it comes to Rey being a Skywalker or not. However, what I do care about is the picture that we're being shown, and said picture is that she's not a "legacy character" of any kind.

Also, I came out of my viewing of TFA with the mindset that it was at least POSSIBLE that she could be a Skywalker, but once J.J. and Pablo started clarifying certain things that the movie presented and actively disconnecting them from the "Rey is a Skywalker" argument, the mindset I walked out of the movie with went by the wayside as it became more and more apparent that things weren't in fact as ambiguous with regards to her parentage as the film itself had conveyed.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Hidalgo referred to Abrams's answer at Tribeca 2016 as an "Out of Context Answer to Offtopic Question at Unrelated Event".

Pablo Hidalgo, Lucasfilm Story Group:

• "[Rey's last name revealed to be Skywalker in Entertainment Earth retail listing?] Yeah, that's not how this works." (April 15, 2016) "[Do people really think Rey's full name would be revealed by a Hot Wheels toy?] Or that Hot Wheels would be privy to Rey's background so they could authentically render her as a truck?" (April 15, 2016)
• [Reference] "[Oh, J. J. Abrams clarified his comments to Entertainment Weekly?] Lulz" (April 16) "Also, iPhone autocorrected Lulz to 'Luke'. Coincidence?" (April 16, 2016)
• "Not to turn this into an insufferable teachable moment but (there's the but) there are some questions that can only be answered by a movie." (April 16, 2016) "Otherwise you could spend hours on EE Hot Wheels Listing v. Out of Context Answer to Offtopic Question at Unrelated Event debates online." (April 16, 2016) "And that could have been time spent planting a tree, or calling your grandma, or leading a diverse array of children in painting a mural." (April 16, 2016)

 

[TheComicbookKid]

it depends. If they want to be as predictable as TFA was, they'll make her Luke's since most already guess this anyways. If they actually want to go with a lesser beleived theory, tying her to Obi-Wan would do the trick. Im hoping for the latter but I'll be satisified if its a true shock and someone i never considered. Luke though? Thats the one I want the least

They didn't give her the Skywalker lightsaber for her to be a random Kenobi. She was having visions of Skywalkers, not Obi-Wan. Her master is a Skywalker, her rival is a Skywalker. Her weapon is that of the Skywalkers. Her safe place is the location of Luke, even though she has never been there. Come on people.

By the way, I fully believe Luke knows who Rey is. His expression at the end said a lot of things, but there was clear acknowledgement. Of what, we will see.

I don't disagree with what you're saying.

The part that rubs me wrong is why present Luke's kid as a mystery? We enter the original story with just Luke's perspective and Vader and Obi-Wan have a history.

The visions and the lightsaber don't actually have any meaning. Kylo is a Skywalker, too but the lightsaber doesn't belong to him any more than Rey(if she were a Kenobi) just on bloodline. It could be calling to her cause a Jedi took care of it before Luke came of age and needed another Jedi person to get it back to Luke.

What the visions mean could still be anything.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't disagree with what you're saying.

The part that rubs me wrong is why present Luke's kid as a mystery? We enter the original story with just Luke's perspective and Vader and Obi-Wan have a history.

The visions and the lightsaber don't actually have any meaning. Kylo is a Skywalker, too but the lightsaber doesn't belong to him any more than Rey(if she were a Kenobi) just on bloodline. It could be calling to her cause a Jedi took care of it before Luke came of age and needed another Jedi person to get it back to Luke.

What the visions mean could still be anything.

Because of what Kylo did to Luke and his Jedi. Luke, the greatest of all Star Wars heroes, went into hiding. Something big happened. Something that rocked him. We don't know why yet. But what happens if he lost his love and his daughter, along with all his students? Luke might be worried about what it means to be a Skywalker, which is why he went looking for the first Jedi Temple. To see if his line is "cursed" somehow, that they somehow belong to the Dark Side.

One thing I find interesting is that everyone seems to just miss that Rey was on a planet with an old Skywalker/Solo friend, who is a Force fanboy. I have to feel this is going to come up again.

 

[Sithborg]

I still maintain that in her vision, Rey saw her mom get cut down by Kylo. Now, whether that was Luke's wife is another question.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I still maintain that in her vision, Rey saw her mom get cut down by Kylo. Now, whether that was Luke's wife is another question.

Copycat. I have been saying that since I saw the movie.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Because of what Kylo did to Luke and his Jedi. Luke, the greatest of all Star Wars heroes, went into hiding. Something big happened. Something that rocked him. We don't know why yet. But what happens if he lost his love and his daughter, along with all his students? Luke might be worried about what it means to be a Skywalker, which is why he went looking for the first Jedi Temple. To see if his line is "cursed" somehow, that they somehow belong to the Dark Side./QUOTE]

That makes it seem more like Luke's story and Rey as just apart of it/catalyst to just fill-in for Luke's story moving forward.

I hope they don't stop the momentum for filling in story beats for unseen episodes by making her his daughter.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

1) That wasn't a woman stabbed by Kylo in the vision.
2) That massacre happened a long time after Rey was already on Jakku.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1) That wasn't a woman stabbed by Kylo in the vision.
2) That massacre happened a long time after Rey was already on Jakku.

The actual idea Magnar is the reason why Kylo is approaching Rey in the vision is because she is standing in the place where her mother would be.

It could be Kylo looking for Luke, which leads him to Rey's mother. No need for Rey's mother to be dead before she is dropped off.

 

[Brother Jack]

One thing I find interesting is that everyone seems to just miss that Rey was on a planet with an old Skywalker/Solo friend, who is a Force fanboy. I have to feel this is going to come up again.

Lor San Tekka seemed to be a character designed to revisit, despite already being dead. He's been around since the clone wars so I've thought for a while that he could appear in Rogue One or Rebels. And like Maz he also offers a perspective on the force from a non-Jedi or force sensitive. I think it's likely that Luke tasked him with watching over Rey from a distance on Jakku, as Obi-Wan once did for him.

 

[DigificWriter]

The circumstances under which Rey was left on Jakku have nothing to do with the Skywalker family.

Spoiler

Bloodline, which is set 6 years before TFA, has Leia and Han's marriage still intact and reveals that they're in fairly regular contact with Ben even though they're not aware of exactly where he and Luke - who is training him - are.

This means that Ben has not yet turned, which confirms that his turn had nothing whatsoever to do with Rey being left on Jakku.

It's long past time for the "Rey is a Skywalker" people to accept the truth and move on.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The circumstances under which Rey was left on Jakku have nothing to do with the Skywalker family.

Spoiler

Bloodline, which is set 6 years before TFA, has Leia and Han's marriage still intact and reveals that they're in fairly regular contact with Ben even though they're not aware of exactly where he and Luke - who is training him - are.

This means that Ben has not yet turned, which confirms that his turn had nothing whatsoever to do with Rey being left on Jakku.

It's long past time for the "Rey is a Skywalker" people to accept the truth and move on.

Melisandre has completely lost all of her confidence and faith, and isn't getting it back anytime soon... especially not before Thorne's deadline of "nightfall" comes and goes.

People just need to accept that she's not going to be doing what they want her to do [BLACKOUT](resurrect Jon)[/BLACKOUT] and move on.

How often do you need to be wrong before you stop telling people what they have to accept? Because you are never right. Rey being left on Jakku does not have to have to do with anything with Kylo attacking the Academy. [BLACKOUT]Which is apparently happening during Bloodline[/BLACKOUT].

Kylo was flirting with the Dark Side when he was sent to Luke. Would be an obvious reason to separate himself from her. There is also of course the idea that Luke doesn't even know he has a kid. You know, the same way Anakin didn't know.

 

[DigificWriter]

Spoiler

Ben's attack on his fellow students does NOT happen during Bloodline.

There's zero mention of Snoke or the First Order in Bloodline, and zero indication of anything being 'off' other than Leia being worried about having lost contact with him and Luke.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Spoiler

Ben's attack on his fellow students does NOT happen during Bloodline.

There's zero mention of Snoke or the First Order in Bloodline, and zero indication of anything being 'off' other than Leia being worried about having lost contact with him and Luke.

Spoiler

The First Order is in the book. We see their origins. The Centrist faction of the New Republic secedes with all of their military and economic might. The army is built on the Imperial fleet in the Unknown Region. Carise Sindian is apart of them.

Leia can't contact Luke and Ben. How convenient it comes with the reveal of Leia as Vader's daughter. Everyone else has already made the connection.

Are you not going to mention the last time you told people they were wrong? Notice you skipped that.

 

[Tg11]

Or perhaps Luke is Rey's father or he knows who Rey's parents are and where to find them

 

[Mask&Cape]

Because of what Kylo did to Luke and his Jedi. Luke, the greatest of all Star Wars heroes, went into hiding. Something big happened. Something that rocked him. We don't know why yet. But what happens if he lost his love and his daughter, along with all his students? Luke might be worried about what it means to be a Skywalker, which is why he went looking for the first Jedi Temple. To see if his line is "cursed" somehow, that they somehow belong to the Dark Side.

His nephew turned evil - it happened right under his nose - his students were murdered. How is that not "big" enough?

I believe that is sufficient to shatter a man and, while Luke may have lost a wife or lover, I don't believe that there must be something else that happened (other than what we are told in TFA) that sent Luke into exile.

What I think the mystery of Luke's exile is not what he ran from, but what he is looking for. Why didn't he pick himself up like he has in the past and try to save Ben.Why didn't he go after Snoke - who clearly fears just that? I don't doubt that Luke is broken, but I'm not so sure that he has given up.

I think there is more

One thing I find interesting is that everyone seems to just miss that Rey was on a planet with an old Skywalker/Solo friend, who is a Force fanboy. I have to feel this is going to come up again.

I think this simply the standard will of the Force/coincidences just like in the previous films - the Jawas just so happen to come to the Lars farm first, Anakin just so happens to live on the best planet to hide from the Trade Federation, an old friend just so happens run a nearby mining colony, etc.

Lor San Tekka lives on the sme planet as the Rey because otherwise the opening of the story would have required Poe to escape the attack on the village, go to lightspeed, get pulled out of hyperspace and somehow send BB-8 to Jakku, get taken aboard the Finalizer so as to meet Finn and escape and get shot down on Jakku so Finn could meet Rey.

Too complicated and it causes Finn and Rey meeting to happen much too late.
Plus, Poe would come across as not such a hot pilot

Besides, Rey is is a no-one. A nobody. She doesn't have people watching over her.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Or perhaps Luke is Rey's father or he knows who Rey's parents are and where to find them

I don't believe so.

Everything in TFA about Rey was geared towards sowing us she was a nobody from nowhere. In her scene with Maz, we are told straight out that the family Rey is waiting for is not coming back for her but that the belonging she is looking for is with Luke as a Jedi.

Rey's biological family is no longer relevant and I don't think we'll ever see them in the movies. And their identities are a secret - nothing in the film indicates that she doesn't know the family name or where she originally came from. She is old enough when left with Plutt to know her past. We, the audience, are simply not told her name or who the family is because it isn't relevant. Just like we don't know the name of Luke's father until RotJ or who the mother was until the Prequels.

 

[Sara Lance]

Here is my theory on who Rey's parents are.

1. First off she doesn't have parents. She only has ONE parent

2. That parent is Emperor Palpatine


My theory is that Rey is not unlike Miranda Lawson. She an artifically created daughter from the DNA of the Palpatine. We all know that Sith are obsessed with haivng a heir and Vader was kinda of a wreck. I can easily see Palpatine wanting a more worthy apprentice. Someone who will be strong and grow up as True Sith. Worthy of being the new Emperor

So he had his scientist create him a true heir. Someone who would be powerful in the Force, intelligent and strong. The project was put on hold once the Empire fell. But decades later the First Order found it and Rey was let out of cryo. The First Order begin training her to be the perfect Sith and the future Emperor

Luke sensing this rising dark power set out to find her leaving his vulnerable students behind . Once Luke had found Rey she was already deeply immersed in the Dark Side. Vicious and powerful. She was still a child so of course she stood no chance against him but he could see the threat she posed.

So now he had a choice. Does he kill an innocent girl just because of what she might become? Or does he try and bring her back with him. Try to undo the brainwashing of the First Order and make a proper Jedi out of her? However this option carried an enormous risk as the Republic would want her dead and there Order would never stop trying to get her back. He couldn't simply let her go either. She would run back to the Order immediately

So he went with the only option that he could live with. He faked her death and then he erased her mind. Everything about her. Who she was, what she been taught and hid her in the middle of nowhere on Jakku with a very strong Force suggestion that she should never live. The act of erasing her mind also created a bond between them(similar to the situation with Revan)

Snoke enraged that his future Emperor was killed wanted to take the same thing from Luke and he deliberately targeted Kylo


This would explain why Rey is so incredibly adept at the force so quickly, would explain her bond to Luke, her pathological refusal to leave Jakku and would also create the perfect drama and danger of her going over to the Dark Side. Just imagine the sheer betrayal she would feel when she understands that the new master she trusted had mind raped her as a child and was responsible for her time on Jakku?

 

[necromancer]

New theory....

Rey is Lukes daughter. When Ren kills all the padwans, Luke sends wife (maybe Jyn) and daughter rey off for safety...Bad guys in pursuit, Jyn drops Rey off with an associate for safety and flies away to throw the bad guys off. They blow up her ship and kill her. Look thinks they are dead. The luke he gives Rey shows his surprise. His eyes look wet and wide eyed from astonishment.

I think Han isnt sure its her, Leia senses it which is why she hugs her and sends her off to find Luke without going herself.

 

[necromancer]

Also crazy thought folks...

The powers of the force include seeing the future. Yoda tells us this in the original.

It is possible Rey saw the future when she touches the lightsaber. Ren and the knights destroy the temple after she arrives. Would explain quite a bit. Remember Luke has been gone for years. Maybe all this time he has been collecting padwans and training them in hiding.

Also remember when Luke goes in the cave in his vision during his training and behind vadars mask is his face. The force technically revealed the future it just needs to be interpreted as his father.

If this is the case it would make more sense. He trains ben, ben goes bad. He fears his own daughter is dead or he puts her in hiding. He takes his padwans and finds the temple in seclusion to train them for many years. Kylo comes with knights and kills them all. Now its just Rey and Luke to stop Snoke.

 

[Tg11]

If Rey is not related to anyone important then explain how she is Force sensitive explain to me just how she was able to hold her own against Kylo Ren in a lightsaber battle explain how she was able to overpower him without any Force training? She has to be related to a Jedi that is the only thing that makes any sense at all

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Since the most logical through line for the main "Episode" movies is the Skywalker family (Lucas has said as much as his intention), I would be disappointed if Rey, who seems to be this trilogy's protagonist, were not a Skywalker. Given what we have seen in The Force Awakens, it is unlikely that she is Leia's daughter. So it would be logical that she be Luke's daughter. Plus the whole handing down of the lightsaber. It was Anakin's before being handed down to his offspring Luke. And in turn it is handed down to Luke's offspring Rey.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

J. J. Abrams on structure (understand that pretty much anything else he says or doesn't say outside of this context has to be filtered through this lens):

J. J. Abrams: “I loved how Star Wars had that sense of a world far beyond the borders of what you can see and have been told – it’s one of the things it did so brilliantly. If you watch the first movie, you don’t actually know exactly what the Empire is trying to do. They’re going to rule by fear – but you don’t know what their end game is. You don’t know what Leia is princess of. You don’t yet understand who Jabba the Hutt is, even though there is a reference to him. You don’t know that Vader is Luke’s father, Leia is his sister – but the possibility is all there. The beauty of that movie was that it was an unfamiliar world, & yet you wanted to see it expand and to see where it went.” (November 2, 2013)

Q: "You’ve talked about trying to recapture the spirit and feel of the original Star Wars trilogy. One thing I personally loved about those films, especially the first, was that there was all this backstory that was alluded to but never explained—the audience was plunged into this fully imagined world, and it was a little bit of a sink-or-swim thing. Like in the first film, someone makes a passing reference to the Clone Wars, which was originally a laugh line—the idea that these characters talked about their shared history the way we might talk about World War II and no one was going to give you a paragraph of exposition was funny. For me, it took some of the fun out of Star Wars when all that backstory was filled in in the prequels."
J. J. Abrams: “What was incredible about Star Wars, among other things, was that in that first movie Vader could’ve been his father, but he wasn’t, you know. Leia could’ve been his sister, but she wasn’t. You didn’t really know what the Empire was up to exactly. You didn’t really understand what it meant that there was a Senate or the Dark Times or any of the references, and yet you felt the presence of all these things and you understood because it was all being referenced in a way that allowed you to fill in the blanks, and that’s a very powerful thing.” (May 6, 2015)

Q: "How much of The Force Awakens is geared toward welcoming people back to the Star Wars franchise versus starting something completely new? How do you strike a balance between those two imperatives?"
J. J. Abrams: “We wanted to tell a story that had its own self-contained beginning, middle, and end but at the same time, like A New Hope, implied a history that preceded it and also hinted at a future to follow. When Star Wars first came out, it was a film that both allowed the audience to understand a new story but also to infer all sorts of exciting things that might be. In that first movie, Luke wasn’t necessarily the son of Vader, he wasn’t necessarily the brother of Leia, but it was all possible. The Force Awakens has this incredible advantage, not just of a passionate fan base but also of a backstory that is familiar to a lot of people. We’ve been able to use what came before in a very organic way, because we didn’t have to reboot anything. We didn’t have to come up with a backstory that would make sense; it’s all there.” (November 2015)

Q: "When you look back at the original trilogy, are there certain scenes that stand out to you?"
J. J. Abrams: "As a fan of Star Wars, I can look at those movies and both respect and love what they’ve done. But working on The Force Awakens, we’ve had to consider them in a slightly different context. For example, it’s very easy to love 'I am your father.' But when you think about how and when and where that came, I’m not sure that even Star Wars itself could have supported that story point had it existed in the first film, Episode IV. Meaning: It was a massively powerful, instantly classic moment in movie history, but it was only possible because it stood on the shoulders of the film that came before it. There had been a couple of years to allow the idea of Darth Vader to sink in, to let him emerge as one of the greatest movie villains ever. Time built up everyone’s expectations about the impending conflict between Luke and Vader. If 'I am your father' had been in the first film, I don’t know if it would have had the resonance. I actually don’t know if it would have worked." (November 2015)

Q: "I'm gonna go through some of the most jaw-dropping moments in Star Wars history and I would ask you to rate them of a scale of one to ten just how jaw-dropping was this moment. Number one being, 'oh, wow, that's interesting,' and number ten being, 'my jaw is still on the floor' 30 years later."
J. J. Abrams: “The most jaw-dropping-est thing for me, though, in retrospect, is that moment in Episode IV where Leia is being held and Vader goes in to basically torture her to get the information. [...] When you think of it later and you go, ‘Oh my God, that’s his daughter.’ He’s going in to torture his own [daughter]. At the time, it’s just scary. Then it gets just really creepy when you think about it. Oh my god, that’s the worst. You know, it’s horrible.”
Q: "I know. When you watch them now - knowing all that - some of that stuff is just so bizarre, more jaw-dropping, yeah."
J. J. Abrams: “It is. But that’s what’s so amazing about Star Wars, too. The possibilities were so enormous. At the end of Star Wars, you didn’t know who was related to whom, but anything was possible. That’s what was so cool about it.” (December 9, 2015)

Q: "But I assume there must have been some conversation about that in the writing process too, how much to reveal and how. Because the audience does need some things to attach to. So can you talk about figuring out how much to say about [Rey] and how much to hold back?"
J. J. Abrams: The thing about Star Wars is everyone who has seen these movies thinks, you know, ‘I am your father.’ It’s one of the first things you think about. And, ‘There is another.’ And moments like that. But when you think about those big moments and then you stop and go, oh, neither of those things were in Star Wars. You know, Star Wars didn’t say that Luke was the son of Vader. Star Wars didn’t say that Leia was the sister of Luke. You didn’t really understand what these references were. The Empire, dark times, Clone Wars. There are these things that are discussed that don’t get explained. It was Episode IV. You know, George, among the unbelievable list of brilliant things he did, dropped you into a story and respected you and said, ‘You will infer everything necessary to understand exactly what you need to know.’ And that’s what we tried to do with this. We knew we were going to have a moment when Snoke was going to say to Ren, ‘Your dad’s in the picture.’ Can this movie actually also hold, you know, ‘And Rey is this and Finn is that and this is where Poe…’? It was one of those things, and again it speaks to your restraint…Look, this is the first, this is an opportunity of a lifetime to write a movie that is the first of a series, and there is a story to be told. And it will be. But this movie, it felt like ‘the droid is in the hands of your father, Han Solo’ was probably the one real revelatory familial piece we could get away with.” (December 22, 2015)