Who could take the Maestro?

[Horrorfan]

also, as with most people, Sue Storm could erect an air-tight forcefield around Maestro's head, thereby eliminating his oxygen supply and (eventually) killing him.

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So why didn't she just do that when he began slaughtering everyone?

I assume he did defeat everyone who's artifacts he has in the trophy room, or they wouldn't be 'trophies' so to speak.

 

[XFanTim]

The reason we accept that he killed the Surfer in Future Imperfect is simply because he's got his board and it's not shown how he beat him, so we can't really take issue with it.

Technically, it was Rick Jones who had Surfer's board (and all those other trophies), and so far as I know it was never explicitly stated that the Maestro killed him. Although I can't imagine who else could have done it.

But, truth be told, I can't really imagine how the Maestro would have done it either. Maybe using some sort of high-tech weaponry? (He is a genius, after all.)

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I know it's Rick Jones' memorial room. The implication is that the Maestro killed all of the heroes, but it's vague enough that anything could've happened, really. All we're exposed to is the end result, where the Maestro is in control of the world. For all we know, the Surfer could've been killed by Galactus and his board just crashed to Earth or something.

.... someone needs to bring The Fury back into a comic. It seems like a pretty cool villain to fight. Single motivation, and all that jazz.

They did. Claremont and Alan Davis used the Fury in their first arc on Uncanny.

 

[MajinShenron]

One man can beat Maestro...

Chuck Norris.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Vance Astrovik might be able to do it by throwing him into the stratosphere and letting him crash back to earth at terminal velocity and repeating as necessary.

 

[yahman]

Then somebody was warping reality to make Hulks wildest fantasys come true because even in comic book reality that is not even remotely possible! Torchie can hit over 2 million degrees and instantly obliterate adamantium. Nothing made of matter can remain in existence at those tempertures. There wouldn't even be atoms left of Hulk

Have you made this up ?, it seems awefully opinionated. For eaxample both Drax the Destroyer, Gladiator and the Silver Sufer have survived flying through the Sun, which at its core is hotter than 1 million degrees ?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Vance Astrovik might be able to do it by throwing him into the stratosphere and letting him crash back to earth at terminal velocity and repeating as necessary.

I doubt that'd do more than piss him off. But throwing him into space and letting him drift might work, provided he didn't hit anything that would allow him to turn back around. Lots of people could toss him into space, though. I figured the point of this thread was to give opinions on who could beat him in an actual fight.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The Hulk was knocked unconscious for hours by a single impact from reentry. I figure multiple impacts of that type would make him feel really good.

 

[Guyverjay]

Yet he has smashed through an asteriod twice the size of earth and hammered Gladiator after re-entry

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Like I said earlier somebody has been warping realty to make Hulk more powerful than he could be on his own. Gladiator shouldn't take Hulk any more seriously than he took the Thing.

 

[Horrorfan]

Yeah but again, I remember it was called a trophy room, and they aren't really trophy's if you just take them....I mean if you killed an animal and took it skin, that could be a trophy. If you found a dead animal and took its skin, thats scavaging.

 

[Guyverjay]

I don't remember it being actually refered to as a trophy room

If it was then why did it belong to Rick and not the Maestro

 

[Horrorfan]

Maybe...I have only seen scans, never the full comic

But it did look like everything had sustained battle damage....

 

[XFanTim]

Yeah but again, I remember it was called a trophy room, and they aren't really trophy's if you just take them....I mean if you killed an animal and took it skin, that could be a trophy. If you found a dead animal and took its skin, thats scavaging.

I don't think I've seen it referred to as a "trophy room" in the actual comic -- only on the Internet. And as I mentioned above, it wasn't even the Maestro's room.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it wouldn't make sense for it to be called a trophy room, given that it's Rick Jones'. If anything, "memorial room" would fit it best. He's collected the stuff from all the fallen heroes and put them on display to remember them. Still, nothing of how each individual hero fell is mentioned, as far as I recall. It's possible that the Maestro didn't really kill that many of them. There was the whole radioactive wasteland thing working against the less powerful heroes like Spider-Man and most of the X-Men, after all.

 

[Horrorfan]

But again most of the stuffl ooked insanely battle damaged- though I agree that its leftto the imagination what really happened to them. but I imagine most of them would have at least rallied to take out Maestro- there wouldnt be any need to drop the bomb had there been heroes to fight him, right?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Right, but the heroes could've been taken out before the Maestro came to power. Really, we could argue from now until doomsday, but it'd all just be speculation. I personally don't believe the Maestro could ever really take down the likes of the Silver Surfer unless the Silver Surfer were being shown in the worst possible light and all the advantages were given to the Maestro. The Surfer's got too many ways of getting rid of the Maestro before the Maestro could possibly do anything to him.

 

[Horrorfan]

True- but remember, in comic fights, its not nessicarily about logic (ie venom vs supes). Theres more deciding factors, as in any fight really, than skill and power- luck, enviroment, etc. Maybe surfer was weakend.

I agree with the speculation part, but I dont know why they would drop a nuke unless he had already defeated all the heroes. that said I see your point so dont think I am arguing with you nessicarily.

 

[Vanguard07]

Haha it's rick jones' trophy room. Rick Jones killed them all.

 

[KevanG]

Haha it's rick jones' trophy room. Rick Jones killed them all.

True enough, you don't sidekick to all those heros (captain america, hulk, ect...) for all those years without learning secrets and weaknesses. They should make a new comic Rick Jones kills the marvel universe

 

[TheCorpulent1]

True- but remember, in comic fights, its not nessicarily about logic (ie venom vs supes). Theres more deciding factors, as in any fight really, than skill and power- luck, enviroment, etc. Maybe surfer was weakend.

I agree with the speculation part, but I dont know why they would drop a nuke unless he had already defeated all the heroes. that said I see your point so dont think I am arguing with you nessicarily.

There are more factors to international politics than simply relying on the resident superheroes, too. The cops of Gotham City resent Batman for making them look incompetent; play that up to the national level and you'd have governments embarrassed that they've gotta wait around for the big, strong superheroes to do the dirty work. Maybe one government just got trigger-happy and decided to hell with that. Who knows, maybe some of the heroes were even killed by their own impatient governments in the nuclear war.

Basically, it goes back to what I said earlier: we accept the future that's presented in Future Imperfect as plausible because we're not shown exactly how things got that way. In my mind, the Surfer was destroyed by Galactus or Thanos or someone and his board just made its way back to Earth and into Rick Jones' memorial somehow. The Maestro had nothing to do with it.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I'd like to see a "What If?" storyline where some sort of futuristic Thing showed up looking like the Lumpy one.

He could give Maestro a good tussle.

 

[rodhulk]

I'd like to see a "What If?" storyline where some sort of futuristic Thing showed up looking like the Lumpy one.

He could give Maestro a good tussle.

Anything can happen in "What if."

Real world comic universes, if I may call it that, the Thing would get trounced by Maestro.

 

[rodhulk]

Right, but the heroes could've been taken out before the Maestro came to power. Really, we could argue from now until doomsday, but it'd all just be speculation. I personally don't believe the Maestro could ever really take down the likes of the Silver Surfer unless the Silver Surfer were being shown in the worst possible light and all the advantages were given to the Maestro. The Surfer's got too many ways of getting rid of the Maestro before the Maestro could possibly do anything to him.

I still debate on this SS pwns Hulk almost every time. I wish I could scan a couple of photos that show Hulk can sometimes prove himself worthy of fighting (and maybe beating) SS. Because he's held his own on a coupe of occasions as well.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Anything can happen in "What if."

Real world comic universes, if I may call it that, the Thing would get trounced by Maestro.

Even Lumpy Thing? He's mighty strong and if some alternate universe version of him similar to Maestro showed up, it would make for a great match. Just look at their regular matches. Who else solo's the Hulk on a regular basis more than Benjy?

Would be sweet.