Who could take the Maestro?

[Franklin Richards]

I still debate on this SS pwns Hulk almost every time. I wish I could scan a couple of photos that show Hulk can sometimes prove himself worthy of fighting (and maybe beating) SS. Because he's held his own on a coupe of occasions as well.

I'll dig through some of my old Defenders.

 

[rodhulk]

Even Lumpy Thing? He's mighty strong and if some alternate universe version of him similar to Maestro showed up, it would make for a great match. Just look at their regular matches. Who else solo's the Hulk on a regular basis more than Benjy?

Would be sweet.

Sure, I have to admit that, but do you think he really could? I mean, if Hulk can equal him before he gets madder and stronger, then shouldn't the Hulk beat him in almost an instant when his power increases? Let's not forget Hulk beating the Thing with just one hit recently.

That said, I'm not bashing the thing and in a lot of the Hulk vs Thing matches, at least that I recall, the Hulk doesn't always get 'madder and stronger,' so, the fight can go on.

I wil concede, at Hulk's base strength, it's a great fight between the both and Ben could win.

 

[rodhulk]

I'll dig through some of my old Defenders.

Cool.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I still debate on this SS pwns Hulk almost every time. I wish I could scan a couple of photos that show Hulk can sometimes prove himself worthy of fighting (and maybe beating) SS. Because he's held his own on a coupe of occasions as well.

I'm sure he has. On paper, though, the Silver Surfer wins every time because the nature of his abilities makes it really easy for him to take down any energy-based beings.

 

[Vanguard07]

Well it's all about how you go about it really. I mean Shadowcat could probably take the Maestro if she was smart about it. Just phase through him with a hand grenade and leave it in his cerebellum minus the pin.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That's where the "ifs" start coming in. "If" Maestro had a lot of advantages and the Silver Surfer weren't written at his best, sure, the Maestro could take him. But my opinion is that if each were performing at his best, the Surfer would flatten the Maestro with ease.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

the maestro beat the thor and ss?

I fail to see how the silver surfer couldn't take him.

Someone who knows things inform me please!!

It's a Hulk's fan wet dream that's why.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I'm sure he has. On paper, though, the Silver Surfer wins every time because the nature of his abilities makes it really easy for him to take down any energy-based beings.

Yup, Chrome Dome's ablities should enable him to deal with the Hulk in just about any form rather easily.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Even in the early days Nova could fly at 3000 mph. If he used a gravimetric pulse combined with a punch delivered at full speed to the top of his head from a vertical dive he might be able to take the Maestro out with one shot.

 

[The Cleric]

I dont want to hear that Maestro couldn't take out the silver surfer, because if batman beat superman, than believe me, the maestro has a shot! and like i said before, if the surfer was dead in the future imperfect, than one can safely assmue it was on earth, where the maestro is supreme. or we can assume that the surfer died in space, but his board "landed" on earth, instead of any other galaxy or planest IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE... if you catch my drift. face it surfer fans, maestro took that living academy award DOWN!

 

[Guyverjay]

I dont want to hear that Maestro couldn't take out the silver surfer, because if batman beat superman, than believe me, the maestro has a shot! and like i said before, if the surfer was dead in the future imperfect, than one can safely assmue it was on earth, where the maestro is supreme. or we can assume that the surfer died in space, but his board "landed" on earth, instead of any other galaxy or planest IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE... if you catch my drift. face it surfer fans, maestro took that living academy award DOWN!

Until either stated or shown, you sir are talking out of your lower orifice

 

[Fading]

I dont want to hear that Maestro couldn't take out the silver surfer, because if batman beat superman, than believe me, the maestro has a shot! and like i said before, if the surfer was dead in the future imperfect, than one can safely assmue it was on earth, where the maestro is supreme. or we can assume that the surfer died in space, but his board "landed" on earth, instead of any other galaxy or planest IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE... if you catch my drift. face it surfer fans, maestro took that living academy award DOWN!

True enough, but remember, every comic writer buffs their own story line, and sometimes it doesn't make sense. Many a X-men comics has had future storyline of a government rule with sentinels everywhere. So while I love sentinels and think in numbers their a force to be reconed with, are we supposed to believe every hero was killed or if non mutant joined with the sentinels?

Fact is this is a 'possible' -Hulk- future, not necessarily a possible marvel universe story. Depending on the Hulk writer he can go from regular super hero, to almost like Goku with his hulking up and doing feats that shouldn't be possible. While in a spiderman story hulk might get beat by spiderman. Now if in regular continuity Spiderman can win sometimes against Hulk, same with Wolverine (tho I know some will deny that, wolvie can and has stood his own against Hulk), how can the Hulk that becomes Maestro beat both of them, and every other hero? I just can't see Spidey or Wolverine being beaten to death, a few other hero's dead, and the Avengers or X-men not getting the call to put a permanent stop to him.

While the future Maestro may make sense in Hulk comics, it doesn't when you think about all the other crazy powerful hero's and teams, and think Hulk simply killed them all. Even the 1v1 little by little thing doesn't make sense, what's he gonna do sneak into the Avengers mansion and assasinate them 1 by 1, choking thor while he's taking a bath and not alerting the alarms that there's an intruder. Or killing them while solo on vacations? Hulk style is to cause a rucus and the teams show up to stop him, and I just can't see Hulk killing Thor, Iron Man, and so on, then Spidey or someone seeing the hero's die then setting back and going "well they got it.". By the end of the first fight Hulk would have every hero on the continent on him if he was causing that much damage.

So I don't use the Maestro's story as evidence he can beat whoever, while he's very tough he's just a possible future. For all we know the nuke itself killed all the hero's but Hulk and he just rummaged through the remains. You also have to consider not just the hero's but the villains, if their not around either seemingly, it would have to have meant he not only killed the hero's, but Magneto, Dr. Doom, Apocolypse and so on.

I still personally think Surfer takes hulk unless by some plot device surfer gets distracted and Hulk/Maestro takes advantage and knocks him off his board or something.

 

[Horrorfan]

To be fair though that is a legitimate alt. universe- and he took our hulk down a few times, so he must be fairly powerful. He's still roaming around in his universe too (though Captain Marvel and Spidey 2099 gave him a decent fight).


And SS is cowering from Hulk behind his board in a recent hulk cover- not sure what happens in the actual comic though. And SS has been kinda pwned by Dracula and at least some alternate versions of HUlk (zombie hulk).


Remember, think of it like a boxing or ufc style bout...on paper, one guy gets totally pwned, but in the ring it goes down totally different. On paper is one thing, reality is quite another.

 

[The Cleric]

seriously, if you dont think that wolverine or spidey can be killed by the hulk, than you really dont know what you are talking about. as a matter of fact, if you favor wolv or spidey over the hulk in any match, you are out of you mind. a thunderclap from the hulk alone would leave them both in utter pain, giving him enough chances to beat them down to a pulp. and consider the fact that maestro really doesn't give a crap about anyone, and is a waaaay better fighter than the 616 hulk, you can only imagine how much damage he would inflict without hesitation.
now, as for the entire universe, if you are saying that maestro couldnt wipe out everyone, than all i have to say is that there was another world war and a nuclear attack (gamma.. whatever) not only did he become stronger, but u can also imagine that HE DIDNT HAVE TO BEAT EVERYONE SINCE MOST HEROS AND VILLIANS WERE PROBABLY KILLED BY THE BLASTS OR RADIATION!
now yeah, it could be an alternate reality, but in that reality, he beat those who we know would survive the radiation. plain and simple. i dont see evidence that it was a depowered silver surfer or thor, either. so stop complaining. HE beat them too because i sure as hell know that the radiation didnt kill them. as for thor.... the hulk HAS beaten him, so dont bring him up. And the surfer, he might have lost to the hulk, but that was not important... the important part of that one-sided fight was the proof that the surfer could go down if the hulk got close.
if you dont want to accept that the maestro beat everyone because it was in an alt future, then fine, but dont read any other "future" books because you shouldnt accept them either. now that i think about it, why am i bothering with u anyway?

 

[Horrorfan]

seriously, if you dont think that wolverine or spidey can be killed by the hulk, than you really dont know what you are talking about. as a matter of fact, if you favor wolv or spidey over the hulk in any match, you are out of you mind. a thunderclap from the hulk alone would leave them both in utter pain, giving him enough chances to beat them down to a pulp. and consider the fact that maestro really doesn't give a crap about anyone, and is a waaaay better fighter than the 616 hulk, you can only imagine how much damage he would inflict without hesitation.
now, as for the entire universe, if you are saying that maestro couldnt wipe out everyone, than all i have to say is that there was another world war and a nuclear attack (gamma.. whatever) not only did he become stronger, but u can also imagine that HE DIDNT HAVE TO BEAT EVERYONE SINCE MOST HEROS AND VILLIANS WERE PROBABLY KILLED BY THE BLASTS OR RADIATION!
now yeah, it could be an alternate reality, but in that reality, he beat those who we know would survive the radiation. plain and simple. i dont see evidence that it was a depowered silver surfer or thor, either. so stop complaining. HE beat them too because i sure as hell know that the radiation didnt kill them. as for thor.... the hulk HAS beaten him, so dont bring him up. And the surfer, he might have lost to the hulk, but that was not important... the important part of that one-sided fight was the proof that the surfer could go down if the hulk got close.
if you dont want to accept that the maestro beat everyone because it was in an alt future, then fine, but dont read any other "future" books because you shouldnt accept them either. now that i think about it, why am i bothering with u anyway?

Actually both wolvie AND spidey have beat hulk. sayin that though, I do think hulk could kill them both too.

 

[Fading]

I wasn't saying he couldn't, but I am saying the Maestro future while legitimate is a bit tough to swallow IMO. Don't forget tho that Nimrod and sentinels from the future, and ppl like Bishop and Cable have come from future timelines as well. Heck Cables future didn't have Maestro in charge or running around, and Cable most definetly is in the regular continuity so the Apoc winning senario is as legitimate as the Hulk winning in that respect.

I'm not saying Spidey or Wolvie can beat Hulk any day of the week, but they -HAVE- both had a win over him. I do agree tho with Hulk getting stronger constantly that he probably could kill them if he went all out, but don't underestimate people like the Silver Surfer or Dr. Strange. While Maestro Hulk may be tougher and all, he's not the most unstoppable force in the Marvel Universe and can be taken down. There are plenty of legitimate futures without Hulk killing everyone, the Maestro future is just one of many possible futures and not the first that came back from a possible future (i.e. Bishop, Cable and so on).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Surfer

BTW read that for his powers, a guy that can destroy planets or change the color of it honestly shouldn't have trouble with Maestro no matter how powerful in strength.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Regardless of what anyone says in favor of the Hulk/Maestro. Plain and simple Chome Dome out weighs him in terms of sheer power/might so far that it is really no contest.

Strength is the only advantage/edge that the Maestro holds on Norrin and even then Norrin can augment his strength to keep up with Maestro or the Hulk for long enough to do the job.

 

[Horrorfan]

Regardless of what anyone says in favor of the Hulk/Maestro. Plain and simple Chome Dome out weighs him in terms of sheer power/might so far that it is really no contest.

Strength is the only advantage/edge that the Maestro holds on Norrin and even then Norrin can augment his strength to keep up with Maestro or the Hulk for long enough to do the job.

But in his reality, it's clear that didn't happen though....

But like someone said we don't really know what happened, and other alternate hulks have taken ss so why not maestro too?

 

[nickrut]

I dont see how any hulk could take any reality warper or any1 that controls molecules. They could just wish it and his brain would become a pile of dog poo and that'd be that. And the surfer beats the maestro more than he loses just on the fact that hes a cosmic individual, not to mention that he can destroy planets with ease.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

But in his reality, it's clear that didn't happen though....

But like someone said we don't really know what happened, and other alternate hulks have taken ss so why not maestro too?

I am not disagreeing with what happend in the comic or what has happend in other comics. But that is not to say what would really happen. Then again we are not dealing in reality now are we?

There are two ways to look at it.

1) The comic book view. Things happen at the writers digression for sound reasons, or no logical explanation at all what-so-ever.

2) In reality Spider-Man would mop the floor with Wolverin, same with Superman vs. Batman.

Anytime vs. battles are discussed one must look at them from several view points. Nothing is black and white. I generally take a look from what is on paper and think about the fights logically.

Logically The Flash destroys 90% or more of his opponets that are not cosmic based. The other 5% he can still beat and the last 5% may be able to take him down.

But in comics situations are always presented for either a) The sake of telling a story. or b) To pose challenges, threats and complicated situations for characters to deal with.

In all honesty, Silver Surfer is near the top of the Marvel charts and comic book charts in general for non cosmic powered beings. But he has similar problems that most characters do, he is a nice guy and he holds back. Not only that but the guy is a damn tree hugger for pete's sake.

After erradicating who knows how many planets and help kill billions if not trillions of lives (including all ranges of intellect, from human like to animals) the guy is obviously very oppossed to killing and as far as I know has never willingly chosen to do so.

So that could be your argument as to why or who or if the Maestro really beat Chome Dome. Norrin simply couldn't kill him but wouldn't run away for the sake of others, thus giving Banner the opprotunity he needed to kill him.

But if you just look at it from Norrin not holding back or caring about Killing Banner, he wipes the floor with him 1,000,000 out of 1,000,000 times. And even if he didn't want to kill him he can absorb the gamma radiation and turn banner back into his normal human self.

 

[ang_hulk]

hulk beat nova,infact,I think that his helmet was on maestros sash.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

What's your point?

 

[torkibe]

And SS is cowering from Hulk behind his board in a recent hulk cover- not sure what happens in the actual comic though.

You're quoting a cover that you didn't even read the book? He wasn't "cowering" on the cover he was blocking as a gladiator would, and that didn't even happen in the book. He was pretty much kicking the Hulk's ass, along with several others at the same time. Not to mention he couldn't use the power cosmic at all. But I digress...

I don't think we're meant t o believe that the Maestro went out and fought all these heroes one on one and killed them all. Don't forget he is one of the greatest minds on the planet. I'm sure if he had intentions of taking over the planet he would have plans for people whom he knows he couldn't just take out with brute strength.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

You're quoting a cover that you didn't even read the book? He wasn't "cowering" on the cover he was blocking as a gladiator would, and that didn't even happen in the book. He was pretty much kicking the Hulk's ass, along with several others at the same time. Not to mention he couldn't use the power cosmic at all. But I digress...

I don't think we're meant t o believe that the Maestro went out and fought all these heroes one on one and killed them all. Don't forget he is one of the greatest minds on the planet. I'm sure if he had intentions of taking over the planet he would have plans for people whom he knows he couldn't just take out with brute strength.

I don't quite agree he was kicking the Hulk's ass, because first he sucker punches the Hulk and then the Hulk tries calming him down and gets hit very hard; but he then loses it and pummels the SS (who was no longer under the control of the natives) rendering him unconscious for a short period.

In any case, Hulk is not at his normal strength and neither was the SS so any battle would be affected by their relative weakness.

 

[torkibe]

I don't quite agree he was kicking the Hulk's ass, because first he sucker punches the Hulk and then the Hulk tries calming him down and gets hit very hard; but he then loses it and pummels the SS (who was no longer under the control of the natives) rendering him unconscious for a short period.

In any case, Hulk is not at his normal strength and neither was the SS so any battle would be affected by their relative weakness.

While I admit the first punch was a sucker punch, after that the whole group was pretty much getting owned. And if you're gonna say the SS sucker punched Hulk, Hulk returned the favor after he smashed the device because at that point the Surfer stopped fighting.

However, you are correct, neither combatant was at full strength. Lucky for the Hulk