Who could take the Maestro?

[Ahura Mazda]

True, but their very first fight was an unfleshed out wolverine where his claws might have been attached, he probably didn't have any other abilities other than fighting skill. Characters in their first appearance always are weaker than later on. Heck pretty sure superman couldn't fly in his first appearance, just could simply 'leap over tall buildings'. Characters evolve for better or worse. Take a look at the Wolverine vs. Grey Hulk. His very first blow impaled the hulk, blood splatter and everything. At that point he realized every slash did cut the hulk but that the hulk simply healed fast. The fight progressed and the hulk hit harder and wolverine simply got more and more into the fight. Now grey hulk may not = savage hulk, but grey hulk's strength far surpasses spiderman's strength. If Wolverine could take hits from a Grey Hulk simply wanting to fight for kicks, and only get angry by them, then how does weaker Spiderman hits knock Wolverine out is all I'm saying. Some Spiderman fans (not knocking anyone) will simply say, "Spiderman wins in 1-2 punches" and won't listen to facts. Heck Wolverine was sent into orbit with a punch from someone far stronger than Spiderman and survived, tho it was funny in Wolverine's expense .

BTW what's your definition of 'knocked out"? To say Hulk's knocked out Wolverine in 1 punch many times would mean most hulk vs wolverine fights ended in one blow. They've fought a decent amount of times, but I can't remember one of them ending in one blow, but I could be wrong. To me a knock-out blow in comics is the win. Where the foe goes down and the victor walks off.

Well that was fanboy writing in my opinion. Wolverine should stand no chance against the Hulk and in their first battle, Wolverine could not even penetrate Hulk's skin which makes sense given that he should not have the strength too without using a sawlike motion or impaling using the sharp points, because of the sharpness of the claws.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

In a What If? they carried that fight out to its conclusion and Wolverine killed Hulk by repeatedly slashing at his throat until he eventually cut through. Wolvie simply evaded Hulks every blow and Hulk was unable to connect.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

In a What If? they carried that fight out to its conclusion and Wolverine killed Hulk by repeatedly slashing at his throat until he eventually cut through. Wolvie simply evaded Hulks every blow and Hulk was unable to connect.

Yes and that was stupid as hulk was able to hit Quicksilver. he would have no problem with Wolverine.

You do realise he could take Wolverine and toss him into space....

In any fight, which Hulk loses against Wolverine it is bad writing!

 

[Horrorfan]

Yeah Peter David is a terrible writer


I love the whole 'bad writing' thing fanboys bring out when they cry when their lil favourites get beat

 

[The Cleric]

dont bring up the WHAT IF books because the WHAT IF HULK KILLED WOLVERINE, all hulk had to do was repeatedly hit wolverine in order to kill him. now what do YOU think would most likly happen, wolverine slashing the hulks neck repeated while the hulk just stand there swinging the exact same punches that would are dodged.... OR the hulk hits wolverine to the ground and then hits him more and more while he is down?
hmmmm WHAT IF hulk kills wolverine makes better sense

 

[The Cleric]

peter david a bad writer? Are you f*&^ing crazy? you dont know a good comic book if thought he was bad. as a mattter of fact SHUT UP! you dont deserve to talk!

 

[Horrorfan]

Read this and weep fanboys:


According to Wizard, Wolvie's record against hulk is 10-4 to wolvie.

PWNAGE!


Also Wolvie beat spidey in their one shot, knocked him out in spidey, and has killed him many times in what if (my point being that wolverine would kill spidey EASY if he didnt have os many fanboys who would cry about it).

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Actually I did not know that was the title of the What if.....so I think I will just refer to the Cleric's post

 

[Horrorfan]

peter david a bad writer? Are you f*&^ing crazy? you dont know a good comic book if thought he was bad. as a mattter of fact SHUT UP! you dont deserve to talk!

Hey, pal, look up a few posts....that guy said the wolvie/hulk encounter was 'fanboy writing'...it was wrote by Peter David....HENCE MY SARCASTIC ROLLS EYES AT THE END. He said it, not me...read clearer next time.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Read this and weep fanboys:


According to Wizard, Wolvie's record against hulk is 10-4 to wolvie.

PWNAGE!


Also Wolvie beat spidey in their one shot, knocked him out in spidey, and has killed him many times in what if (my point being that wolverine would kill spidey EASY if he didnt have os many fanboys who would cry about it).

Ok fine....I just want to know how Wolverine, a mutant with enhanced human strength and speed beats both SPidey and the Hulk which are respectively superheroes with class 10 and class 100 strength as well as super speed (albeit for the Hulk this is debatable).

 

[The Cleric]

As for the hulk and surfer, idont think the hulk would submit to the surfer, if you read his book. the hulk is always determined to prove his strength and often wins because of that. the surfer would hit him...yeah...but the hulk would take it, get pissed, recuperate, and try again with a better approach. as for the hulk getting drained, it wont happen. its been tried before and the hulk overcame it. so you surfer fans better keep reading up on the surfers powers to bring better arguments.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

peter david a bad writer? Are you f*&^ing crazy? you dont know a good comic book if thought he was bad. as a mattter of fact SHUT UP! you dont deserve to talk!

I had no idea it was a what if Wolverine killed Hulk comic and had never read it...I was saying that Wolverine should not be able to beat Hulk given their respective powers.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

As for the hulk and surfer, idont think the hulk would submit to the surfer, if you read his book. the hulk is always determined to prove his strength and often wins because of that. the surfer would hit him...yeah...but the hulk would take it, get pissed, recuperate, and try again with a better approach. as for the hulk getting drained, it wont happen. its been tried before and the hulk overcame it. so you surfer fans better keep reading up on the surfers powers to bring better arguments.

I actually think Surfer could take away all the gamma energy and turn him into Banner. Physically...it is another matter

 

[1987olds442]

Read this and weep fanboys:


According to Wizard, Wolvie's record against hulk is 10-4 to wolvie.

Those numbers are way wrong here is a link of various Hulk matches including Wolverine

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulksmashes.html

 

[Horrorfan]

Ok fine....I just want to know how Wolverine, a mutant with enhanced human strength and speed beats both SPidey and the Hulk which are respectively superheroes with class 10 and class 100 strength as well as super speed (albeit for the Hulk this is debatable).

Buy the comic and find out.

 

[The Cleric]

i doubt it simply because the gamma IS part of banner! its not an energy he carries. thats why i doubt the surfer would do it i mean, take the gamma radiation away and you also take a whole persinality with it. i mean if the surfer n hulk were such good friends, why didnt he just cure the hulk a loooong time ago? all i am saying is that the hulk isnt powered by the sun, the hulk is a charecter who lives within the gamma, and the surfer couldnt take that away....UNTIL I SEE IT!!! HAAHAAHAAAAAA therefore the HULK IS STILL THE BEST AND MAESTRO STILL WHOOPED THE SURFER!!!!!!!

 

[Horrorfan]

Those numbers are way wrong here is a link of various Hulk matches including Wolverine

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulksmashes.html

That's lame, he didn't count Peter David's fight as a wolverine win...Hulk got back up, But wolvie cut the **** out of him and left him laying. THATS what everyone remembers, and thats why wolverine won (as wizard rightly says).

He counts the hulk vs wolvie as death fight as the hulk winning? wolvie holds back and stops from killing hulk- hulk was at his mercy. so thats two results hes got wrong already.

 

[1987olds442]

That's lame, he didn't count Peter David's fight as a wolverine win...Hulk got back up, But wolvie cut the **** out of him and left him laying. THATS what everyone remembers, and thats why wolverine won (as wizard rightly says).

He counts the hulk vs wolvie as death fight as the hulk winning? wolvie holds back and stops from killing hulk- hulk was at his mercy. so thats two results hes got wrong already.

Well guess we found a hardcore Wolverine Fanboy...

 

[Horrorfan]

Well guess we found a hardcore Wolverine Fanboy...

Yeah because the guy who points to a site just for hulk's fights (called HUlk smashes) as a source clearly can't be biased


I'll tell ya someone who's not biased: WIZARD.


Final score: 10-4 to Wolvie

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Horrorfan, let me ask you this if a house cat fights a tiger, what is the result?

Now take this even further and that is the difference between the Hulk and Wolverine....their powers are not comparable in any way. One held up 100 billion tons while the other would have been crushed. A fight between the two should be a whitewash. in any case, it doesn't really matter...writers will do what they feel to advance a story and at the ned of the day it certainly makes no difference in my life.

Have a nice weekend

 

[Horrorfan]

Horrorfan, let me ask you this if a house cat fights a tiger, what is the result?

Now take this even further and that is the difference between the Hulk and Wolverine....their powers are not comparable in any way. One held up 100 billion tons while the other would have been crushed. A fight between the two should be a whitewash. in any case, it doesn't really matter...writers will do what they feel to advance a story and at the ned of the day it certainly makes no difference in my life.

Have a nice weekend

apparently the house cat wins 10-4

 

[The Cleric]

first of all wizard is full of crap. second, THINK BEFORE YOU TALK!!! YOU MUST BE A COMPLETE IDIOT TO BELIEVE THAT WOLVERINE COULD BEAT THE HULK. I CANT EVEN THINK OF A SCENERIO WHERE WOLVERINE HAS A CHANCE. I MEAN, A SIMPLE THUMDER CLAP FROM THE HULK WOULD HAVE WOLVERINE ON THE FLOOR. AFTER THAT, WOLVERINE WOULD BE GONE! COMMON SENSE! NOW GO BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO THE F^@k COULD BEAT MAESTRO

 

[Ahura Mazda]

first of all wizard is full of crap. second, THINK BEFORE YOU TALK!!! YOU MUST BE A COMPLETE IDIOT TO BELIEVE THAT WOLVERINE COULD BEAT THE HULK. I CANT EVEN THINK OF A SCENERIO WHERE WOLVERINE HAS A CHANCE. I MEAN, A SIMPLE THUMDER CLAP FROM THE HULK WOULD HAVE WOLVERINE ON THE FLOOR. AFTER THAT, WOLVERINE WOULD BE GONE! COMMON SENSE! NOW GO BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO THE F^@k COULD BEAT MAESTRO

Relax freind....it is just a forum

 

[Tropico]

i doubt it simply because the gamma IS part of banner! its not an energy he carries. thats why i doubt the surfer would do it i mean, take the gamma radiation away and you also take a whole persinality with it. i mean if the surfer n hulk were such good friends, why didnt he just cure the hulk a loooong time ago? all i am saying is that the hulk isnt powered by the sun, the hulk is a charecter who lives within the gamma, and the surfer couldnt take that away....UNTIL I SEE IT!!! HAAHAAHAAAAAA therefore the HULK IS STILL THE BEST AND MAESTRO STILL WHOOPED THE SURFER!!!!!!!

So, according to your logic Maestro never whooped the Surfer beacause we never saw it. And in regards to the gamma drain, I think it was already done in canon. Your rant makes me think you take the movie Hulk as being canon instead of the comic Hulk.

BTW, in Planet Hulk even when the Surfer was severly weakened he managed to use his powers to destroy all of the control implants ALL the people had. I bet if the Surfer turned those powers in the same destructive manner on, say, the Hulk's brain, the outcome of any fight between them would be obvious. Of course, that's not the way Norrin behaves so the Hulk would never die at the Surfer's hands only because of his mercy.

 

[The Cleric]

i havent thought of the movie fulk since....wel, since i saw it. but where have you seen somes drain the gamma off of banner? hopefully YOU are not considering the movie