Who could take the Maestro?

and the reason why the surfer still managed to use his powers, it was only because the hulk didnt COMPLETELY smash him. he could have, but he didn't. He could have even bitten his head off....wait thats not original....well ripped him in half....dang not original either...well , you can be creative for me.
 
In regards to the Surfer gamma drain, I've never seen it personally but I've read that it happened. And it was by the Surfer. Still, I said I think in my previous post, I didn't say it was for sure.

In regards to the Planet Hulk thing...Dude, get a grip. I'm not debating the ending of the battle nor what Hulk did. All I'm saying is that if you're rational about it, SS has more potential to beat the Hulk if used ruthlessly than the Hulk has of beating him.
 
The Cleric said:
As for the hulk and surfer, idont think the hulk would submit to the surfer, if you read his book. the hulk is always determined to prove his strength and often wins because of that. the surfer would hit him...yeah...but the hulk would take it, get pissed, recuperate, and try again with a better approach. as for the hulk getting drained, it wont happen. its been tried before and the hulk overcame it. so you surfer fans better keep reading up on the surfers powers to bring better arguments.

Ok fanboy... before you go throwing around incorrect assumptions about people needing to do research, maybe you should do some. Here are some scans of the Surfer draining off the Hulk and turning him back into Banner.

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/hulk250-1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/hulk250-2.jpg

Even without the Power Cosmic, the Silver Surfer and the Hulk would be a good match up. Both are well over Class 100 strength and both are nearly indestructible. Throw in the Power Cosmic and it is a laugher. The Hulk is no match for Norrin, period.
 
The Cleric said:
and the reason why the surfer still managed to use his powers, it was only because the hulk didnt COMPLETELY smash him. he could have, but he didn't. He could have even bitten his head off....wait thats not original....well ripped him in half....dang not original either...well , you can be creative for me.

What If's and non-continuity showings don't mean jack. The only reason the Hulk was able to smash him was because as soon as the disk got broken, the Surfer stopped fighting. He was actually saying "Thank You" and then the Hulk smashed down on him. Not to mention, he was also fighting 4 other people at the same time.
 
Horrorfan said:
Yeah because the guy who points to a site just for hulk's fights (called HUlk smashes) as a source clearly can't be biased ;)


I'll tell ya someone who's not biased: WIZARD.
Sorry Wizard isn't an official Marvel magazine/site they offer opinions on comics...they get things wrong quite often as well…And if you actually read the site it was called was the Leaders lair.
 
1987olds442 said:
Sorry Wizard isn't an official Marvel magazine/site they offer opinions on comics...they get things wrong quite often as well…And if you actually read the site it was called was the Leaders lair.


Wizard is less biased than a HULK fan site, for sure (and he also got the result of at least two fights wrong).


I freely admit Hulk has beat wolverine, sure, because it happened. But Hulk fans either refuse to acknowledge Hulk's losses to wolverine, and/or dismiss it as bad writing. The difference is I don't discard what happened just because I may not like it, it doesn't work that way.
 
Horrorfan said:
Wizard is less biased than a HULK fan site, for sure (and he also got the result of at least two fights wrong).


I freely admit Hulk has beat wolverine, sure, because it happened. But Hulk fans either refuse to acknowledge Hulk's losses to wolverine, and/or dismiss it as bad writing. The difference is I don't discard what happened just because I may not like it, it doesn't work that way.
Who is dismissing any losses I am not. But who is trying to fabricate victories... Wizard is a lot more biased than you would think. Anyone who uses them as a reference looses a lot of credibility. They are not the magazine that they once were in the past. Also again if you actually read the website that you are calling a Hulk fan site they have information on several Marvel characters not just the Hulk.
 
1987olds442 said:
Who is dismissing any losses I am not. But who is trying to fabricate victories... Wizard is a lot more biased than you would think. Anyone who uses them as a reference looses a lot of credibility. They are not the magazine that they once were in the past. Also again if you actually read the website that you are calling a Hulk fan site they have information on several Marvel characters not just the Hulk.

That site clearly dismissed two wolverine victories as draws....

How do you know wizard is biased? I wasn't aware you worked there...
I don't care if I loose credibility with you. Hell I've never seen you before today... but the fact that I can't use a comic guide that covers every title from every publisher (biased my ass) but you can use a site primairly for the hulk is funny :D

Your site is called THE LEADER'S SITE. the leader is, in fact, a hulk villain. it has a section dedicated to HULK'S fights, called HULK SMASHES.

If you can't see that there MAY be a teensy bit of bias there, you're blind.
 
1987olds442 said:
Who is dismissing any losses I am not. But who is trying to fabricate victories... Wizard is a lot more biased than you would think. Anyone who uses them as a reference looses a lot of credibility. They are not the magazine that they once were in the past. Also again if you actually read the website that you are calling a Hulk fan site they have information on several Marvel characters not just the Hulk.

I have to say, it's a funny coincidence the last time someone said to me that Wizard was horrible for credibility was when I used the list they put together as to where people stood (power wise) in comics. And I used that list to illustrate how the Hulk was outclassed by other characters. The fact is, the writers at Wizard do this for a living. If they can be accused of bias, maybe they favor Marvel and DC over some of the indies, but they certainly wouldn't favor cult favorites like the Surfer over a powerhouse popularity like the Hulk.

That being said, I do think it's a joke that Wolverine would ever beat the Hulk in a one on one fight.
 
Horrorfan said:
That site clearly dismissed two wolverine victories as draws....

How do you know wizard is biased? I wasn't aware you worked there...
I don't care if I loose credibility with you. Hell I've never seen you before today... but the fact that I can't use a comic guide that covers every title from every publisher (biased my ass) but you can use a site primairly for the hulk is funny :D

Your site is called THE LEADER'S SITE. the leader is, in fact, a hulk villain. it has a section dedicated to HULK'S fights, called HULK SMASHES.

If you can't see that there MAY be a teensy bit of bias there, you're blind.
Anyone that can read can tell that wizard is biased?
 
torkibe said:
I have to say, it's a funny coincidence the last time someone said to me that Wizard was horrible for credibility was when I used the list they put together as to where people stood (power wise) in comics. And I used that list to illustrate how the Hulk was outclassed by other characters. The fact is, the writers at Wizard do this for a living. If they can be accused of bias, maybe they favor Marvel and DC over some of the indies, but they certainly wouldn't favor cult favorites like the Surfer over a powerhouse popularity like the Hulk.

That being said, I do think it's a joke that Wolverine would ever beat the Hulk in a one on one fight.
Who ever said it was a joke that wolverine could beat the Hulk?

But you guys really need to quit trying to put wizard magazine on a pedestal in the past they were a good magazine with a great price guide, but they are no where as good as they were in the past.
 
1987olds442 said:
Who ever said it was a joke that wolverine could beat the Hulk?

But you guys really need to quit trying to put wizard magazine on a pedestal in the past they were a good magazine with a great price guide, but they are no where as good as they were in the past.


Says you.

Still infinitly less biased than basing data on a hulk based website that smudges the facts.
 
Horrorfan said:
Says you.

Still infinitly less biased than basing data on a hulk based website that smudges the facts.
How illiterate are you? Did you even go to that sites home page?

The Hulk is one of several characters that the site has information on.

Since you are too lazy to actually look…


Avengers Files May 24, 2005
Captain America: When Captain America Throws His Mighty Shield November 6, 2005
Captain Marvel: Legacy of Captain Marvel November 6, 2005
Defenders: Dr. Strange's Defenders June 11, 2004
Fantastic Four: First Family November 6, 2005
Gamma People October 15, 2005
Hulk: No Excuses March 11, 2006
Ionic People February 11, 2004
Iron Man: Iron Resolve October 1, 2005
Marvel Knights January 29, 2004
Marvel Universe September 16, 2004
Marvel Villains Footnotes October 1, 2005
Namor: Prince of the Realm December 10, 2005
Power Cosmic November 6, 2005
Sentry: Forgotten but not Gone
November 6, 2004
She-Hulk: Site for Sore Eyes June 12, 2005
Spider-Man: What a Tangled Web We Weave December 4, 2004
Thor: Lightning Crashes October 1, 2005
Thunderbolts: Traitors to Super-Villains Everywhere May 20, 2006
X-Men: Mutant Scum July 27, 2004

Also for a biased site they are pretty clear that characters like Namor, Silver Surfer, Bi-Beast, Trauma, etc. have more wins over the Hulk than the Hulk has over them...
 
1987olds442 said:
How illiterate are you? Did you even go to that sites home page?

The Hulk is one of several characters that the site has information on.

Since you are too lazy to actually look…
...


I assume since it's called THE LEADERS SITE it is more hulk based than any of them....or did he just call it that because ''Mole Man and Chums'' was taken?


And why should I take a FAN SITE who smudges fight details over a book put together by PROFESSIONAL comic journalists?
 
Horrorfan said:
I assume since it's called THE LEADERS SITE it is more hulk based than any of them....or did he just call it that because ''Mole Man and Chums'' was taken?


And why should I take a FAN SITE who smudges fight details over a book put together by PROFESSIONAL comic journalists?
You obviously just like to argue one the internet…

Good Day...
 
oh, i am supposed to see those two pictures and say "look the surfer made the hulks gamma radiation go away and made him human ?" are you stupid? those pictures mean nothing. like i said, if bruce banner needed a cure, i am sure he would have contacted the surfer. since he didnt, its obvious that he cant do it. like i said the surfer would get smashed by the hulk and especially by the maestro

plus, wizard isnt reliable. they are the ultimate fanboys. leaders lair are pretty acurate in the sense that they prectically give you the issues for reference.

in other words, the maestro is unbeatable... face it
 
The Cleric said:
oh, i am supposed to see those two pictures and say "look the surfer made the hulks gamma radiation go away and made him human ?" are you stupid? those pictures mean nothing. like i said, if bruce banner needed a cure, i am sure he would have contacted the surfer. since he didnt, its obvious that he cant do it. like i said the surfer would get smashed by the hulk and especially by the maestro

plus, wizard isnt reliable. they are the ultimate fanboys. leaders lair are pretty acurate in the sense that they prectically give you the issues for reference.

in other words, the maestro is unbeatable... face it

I didn't think it was possible! A Fanboy more stupid and stubborn than Jplaya. Even in the face of actual evidence all you can do is say I'm stupid and the Hulk would smash all. You truly are a moron.
 
torkibe said:
I didn't think it was possible! A Fanboy more stupid and stubborn than Jplaya.
There isn't a person alive worse than that jplaya kid...
 
The Cleric said:
oh, i am supposed to see those two pictures and say "look the surfer made the hulks gamma radiation go away and made him human ?" are you stupid? those pictures mean nothing. like i said, if bruce banner needed a cure, i am sure he would have contacted the surfer. since he didnt, its obvious that he cant do it. like i said the surfer would get smashed by the hulk and especially by the maestro

Dude, nobody is saying it was permanent but Hulk DID get de-powered. There are many characters in comics that can get their powers drained or spent for a while, it's nothing new and it's nothing permanent.
 
Those pics of surfer blasting Hulk and Hulk saying "what, your changing me" or something to that effect were more than enough proof. I know What If isn't continuity, but read What If the Avengers fought Galactus, in that comic Hulk jumps at Galactus and Galactus blasts him once turning him human, the others say "Hulk's down" and he doesn't appear the rest of the comic.

BTW to the kid that said "Face it Maestro's unbeatable"...pssh. Fact is we were naming hero's non-skyfather level and debating if they could beat him. Take someone skyfather level or one of the many, many hero's and villains from other planets far more powerful and Maestro lasts 2-3 seconds. If you can move from the fanboy "I don't wanna hear it, HULK SMASH! HULK CAN'T LOSE, MOST POWERFUL THERE IS!!!" speech then you'll realize we were pitting Maestro against ppl more his level.

In reality if Surfer really wanted to kill Maestro he could just Maestro in orbit, surf to an uninhabited planet, toss him on it, turn the planet pink, then blow the heck out of it, and if Hulk survives a planet exploding then I hope he can breath in space lol. The only reason this isn't clearly in Surfer's favor is his no killing thing much like Vash the Stampede :).

I enjoy comic arguments inbetween reasonable knowledgeable ppl, but hate when someone goes fanboy and ignores facts or just quotes there hero's favorite line. Hulk's a great character, has no strength limit, but strength does not = an auto victory. You can have all the strength in the world but if you can't touch your opponent what's the point? Or if your opponent can explode your brain in your head, or the planet your standing on.

As for Hulk Wolverine, I agree hulk takes him more often but Wolverine HAS and probably will beat the Hulk again, as Hulk will probably beat Wolverine again as well. I also agree with the guy above who said everytime someone brings this up it's "bad writing". Wolverine and Spiderman are my favorites, and if everytime they were beat or had a draw it was bad writing, then there'd be a decent amount of bad writings. SPiderman's first loss against Doc Ock wasn't bad writing, it was great, and what's more he learned something from it, his character changed and he became better for it.

If a character wins everytime then the character is boring. What thrill is there if you automatically know what's going to happen. I can't understand why some ppl refuse to admit the Hulk can, and has been beaten. I'd be like "Damn he got beat, now he's gonna have to have a rematch and it'll be better than the first", I don't toss the comic in the trash, burn it, and humm to myself acting like it never happened lol. I also agree that site was biased, they considered Death Wolverine holding hulk on the ground with hulk cut bad, Wolverine about to deliver a death blow and stopping himself a draw? If I remember right didn't Hulk take advantage, slam Wolverine to the ground while Wolverine was force holding himself back from killing the Hulk, and then Hulk running off? I hardly call that a draw, but I'm not using that to say Wolverine can win any day of the week, just saying that wasn't a draw. Plus like he said....it's a site called -TheLeader-, which is a -Hulk- villain in a section called "HULK SMASH"....and you refuse to believe it could possibly be biased?
 
i'm Spider-Man said:
so anyway, what's this i hear about Maestro?
A back on topic question :up:

Just in case you don't already know about him. Here is a link to his bio...

In an alternate future of the Marvel universe, a nuclear war killed most of humanity, including the majority of Earth's superheroes. One of the few survivors was the Hulk, who found that he simply absorbed the radiation, greatly increasing his strength. The Hulk declared himself "the Maestro" and set out to conquer the remaining world, along with his cousin, the She-Hulk (now calling herself "Shulk") and the Abomination. The latter two eventually betrayed him; the Abombination was exiled, and Shulk was imprisoned in the Maestro's castle.


In his time, the Maestro rules all living beings that inhabit Dystopia, a jade city of his own design protected by radiation shielding. The city bears great resemblance to Doctor Doom's castle in Latveria, and inside the palace walls a bacchanalian atmosphere reigns. In the city proper, high-tech and brutal soldiers keep the "peace" and impose the Maestro's will. The events of the Hulk's ascension transpire in the "other war" after the atomic World War III, told to the time-traveling present-day Hulk by an elderly Rick Jones. He is the last known superhuman left on Earth, with the notable exceptions of surviving mutants who live off the ravaged land.

Powers and abilities

Physically the Maestro is an older version of the Hulk and sports a long gray beard with long gray hair along the sides and the back but is completely bald on top of his head. He possesses even greater physical abilities than his present-day counterpart, and is not hampered by any moral or ethical considerations. The Maestro's body absorbed the radiation left over in Earth's atmosphere and the base level of his strength has been increased to a level far surpassing that of the present-day Hulk. He is thus able to do some serious damage to the Hulk in a fight, particularly since he has over a century of experience in unarmed combat that the Hulk lacks. The Incredible Hulk, however, appears to still be able to achieve greater rage than the Maestro.

The question was brought up, if the Maestro brought to the Marvel's 616 current time frame which heroes or villians could beat him.
 
torkibe said:
I. Even in the face of actual evidence all you can do is say I'm stupid and the Hulk would smash all. You truly are a moron.

LOL welcome to the world of fanboys.

People fly in the face of evidence all the time round here. If you don't agree with it, it's either 'not cannon' or 'bad writing'.

At least I admit Hulk has beat wolvie a few times, but when it comes to wolvie winning, the hulk fanboys throw a ***** fit.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"