Who could take the Maestro?

[Horrorfan]

Which versions of hulk has Wolverine beat

grey hulk and green...but like apocalypse said, they could fight forever with no true winner.

 

[supermarvelman]

Grey hulk I could see him beating, but which verion of green hulk?

 

[Horrorfan]

Not sure....last fight I read was the hulk vs wolverine as death, which wolvie wins imo ....hulk gets the last hit, but wolvie stops from killing him and basically spares him. he could have killed hulk and had him panicked.

 

[The Cleric]

oh god... we are talking about wolv again? he cant beat the hulk! maybe scratch him, but no beat him! plain and simple. about that whole wolve vs death hulk.... im sure you going to count a fight were the hulk was controlled and weilding a sword and helmet. you wolverine fans are pathetic!

 

[Horrorfan]

oh god... we are talking about wolv again? he cant beat the hulk! maybe scratch him, but no beat him! plain and simple. about that whole wolve vs death hulk.... im sure you going to count a fight were the hulk was controlled and weilding a sword and helmet. you wolverine fans are pathetic!

He has beat the hulk though


And wolverine was death, actually

 

[Venomfan]

couldnt juggernaut own this maestro guy, what could maestro do to hurt him, this is classic juggs by the way im talking about, the one with unlimited power and invulnerbility

 

[Vanguard07]

I dunno man. If Hulk/war was able to stop Juggs then Maestro probably could.

Generally it's a bad idea to fight the Hulk (or Maestro) physically. Your best bet is using tactics that he cant smash.

My personal favorite idea for beating the Maestro would be with Shadowcat. Cause she could do it easilly and he'd be both dead AND humiliated.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You mean his claws that come out of his hands?


Wolverine just needs one good slash and it's all over. Peter needs to get in close to effectivly finish him off, and he isn't a killer....if he did kill wolverine, he wouldn't really be spiderman, would he? Wolverine heals really fast, from wounds that would kill most. Peter couldn't. And its only speculated that he could break adamantium....Peter took his best, most powerful shots at wolverine's skull, and still lost. By the time he had decided to try and break wolverines neck. the fight would be over and he'd have a claw lobotomy.

In 'reality' (ie the reality of the comic world )wolverine beat spiderman...thats just the way it goes.

Could it be possible that Pete could conceviably think of a way to web Logan up without permitting his hands to be at an angle where he could cut himself free?

No, why would Pete possibly do that or even think of it? I mean he wouldn't possibly, oh I don't know web him up at his wrists? Spread eagle? Like a snow angel? Hands behind his back with his webbed to a wall? Or any other number of ways where Logans claws would be ineffective to cut himself free. Remember his claws only come out in one direction, straight.

Look you obviously did not clearly read through my post.

There is a huge difference between what characters are capable of on paper, what happens in the comics (due to both good and bad writing), and what would happen in reality.

Are you a sports guy? If you are then you should know the saying, "Speed Kills." And as I said in Pete's case, he is many many times faster than Wolverine, now just how a writer wishes to interpet that vast difference is entirely subjective.

And as far as all of this crap about Pete not having the punching power to knock logan out, please. This is another misconception that has been built up due to writers not really observing any rules of reality in comics. Which they don't have to at all, but that's where it makes things confusing for these types of arguments.

Wolverine can be knocked out, just because his skull can not be broken does not mean one good hard swift kick to the back of the head doesn't make him black out. His vision is stored in the back of his brain just like the rest of us, which is why people are much more likely to be knocked unconscious from a blow to the back of the head.

I am not taking this all that seriously, if you agree with me then you do if not you probably never will. No big deal, just keep in mind that in this argument I am talking about what should happen, not what does.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

A simple tactic for Spidey to use if he was really serious would be to grab Wolvies wrists and gut him with his own claws. Spidey could do it so fast Wolvie would never even see it. He could then wedge the claws in a hard substance so that Wolvie could not extract them. If you think he wouldn't read the story of their fight in Berlin.

 

[Vanguard07]

Or if he kept hitting him in the head from different directions instead of from a position where Wolverine's head was braced against something.

If he kept at it from different angles his head would be snapping around all over the place and his brain would be constantly slamming up against the inside of his skull.

Your brain hitting your skull is how people tend to be knocked out anyway.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Or snap his neck, I mean Pete is easily strong enough to do so.

 

[Vanguard07]

Strong enough to snap adamantium? umm..... which spiderman comics have you been reading?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Since neither the spinal cord or the tendons that hold Logans vertabra in place are adamantium reinforced Spidey should be able to simply backhand his head right off of his shoulders and down the street

 

[SuperFerret]

Wow, unless I've been reading different comics than you guys, I've never known Spider-Man to be so ruthless and violent.

He could easily defeat Logan without gutting or beheading him.

 

[Horrorfan]

Logan beat Spidey in a full on fight (not minor skirmish) in the 616 Universe and has killed many spidey's in alternate realities, so I am not quite sure why so many people think spidey would win

 

[XFanTim]

Logan beat Spidey in a full on fight (not minor skirmish) in the 616 Universe and has killed many spidey's in alternate realities, so I am not quite sure why so many people think spidey would win

Maybe because Spidey is much stronger, much faster, can anticipate Logan's attacks with Spider-sense, has a long range attack (which Logan doesn't), and has a ready-made means of immobilizing Logan (his webbing). Claws won't help him if his arms are immobilized, plus you can't exactly cut something off that sticks to your skin (without cutting your flesh off with it).

Logan's only advantage is in healing/durability, and a more deadly short range attack. But realistically he should never be able to get close enough to use his claws (since Spidey has the edge in speed, reflexes and range, plus his spider-sense). And Logan's healing/durability isn't a factor if Peter just covers him in webbing.

I'm not sure which issues you're referring to in the above quote, but the only comics I've seen where Logan held his own against Spidey in a prolonged fight were very poorly written. To give a couple examples that suggest Spidey would beat Logan: in Secret Wars, Spidey swatted Logan away like he was nothing (demonstrating his superior speed/strength) and in Infinity War Logan actually got knocked out by Pip the Troll, a teleporter with "Spider-man level strength" (but no enhanced reflexes.) Which brings up another way Spidey could take Logan out -- an unbreakable skull won't protect you from a concussion, and Spidey's strong enough to give him one. Even Logan can't heal brain damage instantaneously.

 

[Vanguard07]

^well said. Spiderman very rarely uses all his powers though. He's constantly pulling his punches, and using quips instead of his speed. If he used his speed and reflexes offensively then Logan would have no chance at all. Assuming the writer knows what the two characters respective powers are (which they often dont. Most writers forget the majority of spiderman's abilities when they use him)

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Against Wolverine he doesn't seem to pull his punches. He appears to dislike Logan enough that he may not care if an attack of his kills Logan. The one thing that may influence Spidey is his perception of himself as a hero.

 

[Horrorfan]

Maybe because Spidey is much stronger, much faster, can anticipate Logan's attacks with Spider-sense, has a long range attack (which Logan doesn't), and has a ready-made means of immobilizing Logan (his webbing). Claws won't help him if his arms are immobilized, plus you can't exactly cut something off that sticks to your skin (without cutting your flesh off with it).

Logan's only advantage is in healing/durability, and a more deadly short range attack. But realistically he should never be able to get close enough to use his claws (since Spidey has the edge in speed, reflexes and range, plus his spider-sense). And Logan's healing/durability isn't a factor if Peter just covers him in webbing.

I'm not sure which issues you're referring to in the above quote, but the only comics I've seen where Logan held his own against Spidey in a prolonged fight were very poorly written. To give a couple examples that suggest Spidey would beat Logan: in Secret Wars, Spidey swatted Logan away like he was nothing (demonstrating his superior speed/strength) and in Infinity War Logan actually got knocked out by Pip the Troll, a teleporter with "Spider-man level strength" (but no enhanced reflexes.) Which brings up another way Spidey could take Logan out -- an unbreakable skull won't protect you from a concussion, and Spidey's strong enough to give him one. Even Logan can't heal brain damage instantaneously.

Again, funny how the encounters wolverine wins is bad writing how unpredictable.


Wolvie KO'ed Spiderman in a training session in MK Spidey, took his best hits and won the fight in wolvie vs spiderman, and I have seen two or three what ifs where Wolvie dispatches Spiderman with ease (one that I distinctly remember is what if x men lost the inferno). I also remember where spidey thinks wolvie is an imposter, goes to fight him, gets smacked away and backs down when wolvie brings ou t the claws.

 

[Guyverjay]

It IS bad writing

Just because YOU are too short sighted to see it doesn't change it

It was a DRAW in Wolverine vs Spider-man and it was only a draw because Spider-man is not a killer.

Lets review that match shall we

Spider-man doesn't ONCE use his web shooters the ENTIRE fight AND he was scared.

Does that sound like GOOD writing to you?

Let me break it down for you

If character A is 10 times faster than Character B yet A continues to tag B, would you call that good or bad writing...geee i wonder what it could be

I can't believe you actually brought up What ifs of all things, Wolverine has killed the Silver Surfer in a what if

You probably think THAT was good writing as well

 

[XFanTim]

Wolverine also has survived a nuke (pants intact, no less). I guess that wasn't bad writing either.

If a character is consistently portrayed a certain way, that's one thing, but when a writer just ignores a characters established powerlevel, that's just bull****. Spidey and Wolverines relative levels of speed have been well established by many years of stories. If a writer decides he wants Wolverine to be able to land hits on Spidey, in spite of the fact that Spidey should anticipate every one of Wolverine's attacks and is fast enough to dodge them, that's just bull****.

A few bull**** stories don't change what we know about the characters relative power levels based on hundreds (thousands?) of comics . . . nor should they override our common sense.

 

[CombatRock319]

oh oh oh I've got a classic character who nobody talks about anymore...the biggest badass everrrrrrrrr....the beyonder....i rest....my case....

 

[Johnny Blaze]

I wish I could remember the issue it was (Millar's Wolverine run maybe?) where it opens with Wolverine all webbed up between two buildings with his fists right up against his head, so that if he popped his claws they'd go into his skull.
That was a good pic.







And I still say The Fury would take Maestro down.

 

[Tropico]

It IS bad writing

Just because YOU are too short sighted to see it doesn't change it

It was a DRAW in Wolverine vs Spider-man and it was only a draw because Spider-man is not a killer.

Lets review that match shall we

Spider-man doesn't ONCE use his web shooters the ENTIRE fight AND he was scared.

Does that sound like GOOD writing to you?

Let me break it down for you

If character A is 10 times faster than Character B yet A continues to tag B, would you call that good or bad writing...geee i wonder what it could be

I can't believe you actually brought up What ifs of all things, Wolverine has killed the Silver Surfer in a what if

You probably think THAT was good writing as well

Don't waste your time, Horrorfan's motto is that if it was written you HAVE to take it into account. Whenever someone says that it's bad writing to him it means that you're b!tch!ng because your character is losing.

 

[KevanG]

Again, funny how the encounters wolverine wins is bad writing how unpredictable.


Wolvie KO'ed Spiderman in a training session in MK Spidey, took his best hits and won the fight in wolvie vs spiderman, and I have seen two or three what ifs where Wolvie dispatches Spiderman with ease (one that I distinctly remember is what if x men lost the inferno). I also remember where spidey thinks wolvie is an imposter, goes to fight him, gets smacked away and backs down when wolvie brings ou t the claws.

I have that What if? issue (and about 60 more ) and the only reason wolvie got spidey was because spidey was fighting a demon and he was in an enclosed room with little room to manuver. Not to mention he stabbed him in the back. Besides that what if?'s don't count, because they are ALTERNATE versions so any amount of alternate powering either up or down could happen to either character.