who is the better fighter?

[The Cleric]

i am new at this, so i wanna say wassup to everyone... i have a question for all of ya. in regard to fighting ability...not special powers, or muntant ability... who is the best?

Captain America
Wolverine
Nick Fury
Iron Fist

like i said before, i am not talking about including healing or claws or sheilds or guns. i am talking about fighting ability, which includes, i guess, intelligence.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

This thread is going to end badly.

 

[War Lord]

My Guess.

1. Captain America
2. Iron Fist
3. Wolverine - He should be the best, but he's lost too many fights against lesser opponents.
4. Nick Fury

 

[War Lord]

This thread is going to end badly.

It will, but I need more posts.

 

[The Cleric]

well i am hoping people can think before they answer. i always thought that cap was the best fighter, but he is always being put 2nd to wolverine, considering that all X-fans consider him to be "the best at what he does." i just want to know what people think. also, i wouldn't mind if people added names, such as "black panther" or Gamora" in order to keep it interesting.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wolverine's called "the best there is at what he does" because that's his catch-phrase. It's totally meaningless for actually evaluating his fighting skills, though.

Personally, I think the list should be:

1. Iron Fist
2. Captain America
3. Wolverine
4. Nick Fury

I have a feeling that Iron Fist and Nick Fury will fall to the wayside and this'll turn into another "omg lolz wolveirne can totally kick caps azz cuz hes old!" followed by "omg lolz wolverine sux cap would win cuz he trains 24/7!" followed by some variant of the first, then some variant of the second, et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum.

If you add characters like Gamora and Mantis, it'd probably be:

1. Mantis
2. Gamora
3. Libra (trained by the same people who trained Mantis, after all)
4. Iron Fist
etc.

 

[Kotagg]

This isn't something that can be adjudicated fairly, and anything that anyone says in here is going to be void, honestly.

Asking if Wolverine fights better than Cap without his enhanced agility or Cap without his resilience is a big "what if" thing, and there's no correct answer. An inherent part of EVERY fight you ever see them in is based upon these things.

It's like saying "If you take away the taste of Coke and Pepsi, and they are tasteless liquids, which one will taste better?"

 

[The Cleric]

This isn't something that can be adjudicated fairly, and anything that anyone says in here is going to be void, honestly.-Kotagg

i think you are missing the point...i am not asking who would win... i am asking who is a better fighter. and it can be answered with adding powers or special ability.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't really think it can be answered. If a writer wants Cap to beat Wolverine, he'll beat Wolverine. If a writer wants Wolverine to beat Cap, he'll beat Cap. There're enough pros and cons to each of their "fighting resumes," so to speak, to back up either scenario.

 

[KevanG]

They'd more than likely just knock each other down all at once and then it'd be a tie :P, but anyway each of them has their own way of fighting so no individual way of fighting or the fighter is really better than the other.

 

[Storm Shadow]

i am new at this, so i wanna say wassup to everyone... i have a question for all of ya. in regard to fighting ability...not special powers, or muntant ability... who is the best?

Captain America
Wolverine
Nick Fury
Iron Fist

like i said before, i am not talking about including healing or claws or sheilds or guns. i am talking about fighting ability, which includes, i guess, intelligence.

Of that list, I'd say.

IF
Cap
Wolvie
NF


I think Taskmasters the best though. If he was turned into a hero or was the leading character in the book the fight took place in, I think he'd have more wins under his belt. Though they do give him real good showings.

 

[Cyclops]

I'd say Captain America, then followed closely by Iron Fist, then Nick Fury, then Wolverine.

Wolverine just seems to be in many cases a whipping boy because he's tough enough to take the punishment. For an unparalleled fighter, he sure leads with his chin alot. And it gets him knocked on his ass more often than not too.

And fighting skills is also something that ranges widely. Obviously, Iron Fist is the best martial artist on this list. But Captain America is the best overall fighter, best at noticing the chinks in the armor, best at placing the crucial hits where they count the most, best at leading others into combat. Nick is the best with armed combat, which does take alot of skill. None of these four will outfight Nick in a straight-up firefight, partially because he's been doing it since the 1940s. It's what he does. He's not as much a fisticuffs fighter.

Wolverine is the only one who doesn't sit at the top of this list in some form or another.

 

[Vanguard07]

Personally i think Iron fist is a better fighter than Cap. Cap's probably close and he's deffinitely a better strategist but in outright fighting ability i think Iron fist takes him.
Wolverine would come in a close third after cap in terms of ability but it's not his style to use his skills. In terms of what skill do these characters have it'd be close. In terms of what level of skill do they actually use he'd be near the bottom.... in the whole of marvel.
Nick fury is a great leader, a great strategist and a great soldier. but i dont think he's all that good a fighter.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Nick Fury's an excellent fighter. Ask DBM.

Wolverine just seems to be in many cases a whipping boy because he's tough enough to take the punishment. For an unparalleled fighter, he sure leads with his chin alot. And it gets him knocked on his ass more often than not too.

That's true. Wolverine has what I like to call "Worf syndrome." He's the designated tough guy on the team, and for some reason the only way people decide to convey that is by having him charge in like an idiot and get his ass kicked.

 

[War Lord]

Nick Fury's an excellent fighter. Ask DBM.

He may be an excellent fighter, but how can that compare with Wolverine, Iron Fist or Cap?

It's like saying that the toughest hood in the neighbourhood can expect to win against George Foreman in his prime.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Like I said, ask DBM. He's read pretty much everything ever printed with Nick Fury and apparently Fury's had lots and lots of training in multiple combat techniques, including martial arts. I'd say he's not as good as Cap or Iron Fist, but he's not far behind them, either.

 

[War Lord]

Like I said, ask DBM. He's read pretty much everything ever printed with Nick Fury and apparently Fury's had lots and lots of training in multiple combat techniques, including martial arts. I'd say he's not as good as Cap or Iron Fist, but he's not far behind them, either.

But that's what the question is asking, between the four, who's the better fighter?

Being at the bottom of the four still leaves you better than the rest of Marvel.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I know, I was just telling Vanguard that Fury is a good fighter. He seemed to think Fury wasn't a good fighter at all.

 

[torkibe]

I think Spidey kicks all their asses!

 

[Elijya]

I think you completely missed the part where it said powers don't count

 

[Elijya]

What about Shang Chi?

 

[THANOSRULES]

i am new at this, so i wanna say wassup to everyone... i have a question for all of ya. in regard to fighting ability...not special powers, or muntant ability... who is the best?

Captain America
Wolverine
Nick Fury
Iron Fist

like i said before, i am not talking about including healing or claws or sheilds or guns. i am talking about fighting ability, which includes, i guess, intelligence.

Here is my Take

1- Iron Fist Trained by the k'un Lun for years, he was only about 19 when he became active in the marvel universe so he is still a fairly young guy. Still, he basically trained for 15 years and is a master at a very exotic martial art.

2-Captain America- If you think about it Cap is pretty young in "marvel years" .For all intensive purposes he is a man in his early 30s who has spent most of his life fighting or training, and with now true powers he has grown very good at hand to hand..yet he does use a shield and this would probably factor in as a weakness , becuase reliance on it probably brings down his game. Probably the best acrobat on the list, but 2nd in terms of fighting.

3-Wolverine- Wolverine has the most fighting experience of anybody on this list. I know you say powers dont factor in, but they do in some respect..that being with wolverine's healing factor and adamantium, he probably has relyed on these powers more than ability. The edge someone like Iron Fist or Cap have is they know if they get hit, they are dead meat, and it would probably make them train and think about that factor more.

4-Nick Fury- Nick is just a tough SOB..he probably has been a good scrapper in his day and still is. Yet Nick's more of a weapons guy and tech guy than a hand to hand guy. I am sure his hand to hand is excellent and near peak, but he has devoted alot of time to leadership, weapons, and other stuff. Plus nick has certainly slowed a step, even if he still is tough.

 

[Purple Man]

Yeah. What about Shang Chi?

Or how about Taskmaster?

Daredevil?

Elektra?

 

[DBM]

Like I said, ask DBM. He's read pretty much everything ever printed with Nick Fury and apparently Fury's had lots and lots of training in multiple combat techniques, including martial arts. I'd say he's not as good as Cap or Iron Fist, but he's not far behind them, either.

Bam. I'm here.

Nick Fury has been shown many times to be nearly as good as Cap. In fact back in the day (before writers quit paying attention to character history), they used to be sparring partners. Fury's that good because he's basically been training for the last 80 years and has stayed in pretty much peak shape.

Of these guys listed, I'd put the list like this:

1.) Captain America
2.) Iron Fist
3.) Nick Fury
4.) Wolverine.

I put Iron Fist above Fury because while Fury has spent a long time training, that's really all Iron Fist knows. Fury knows martial arts, Iron fist is martial arts.

Though, as has been pointed out already, this is really meaningless. All of these characters have been shown losing to opponents who never should have been able to beat them, and have been show beating each other when it didn't make sense. So it really just comes down to the writer and the story.

 

[torkibe]

I think you completely missed the part where it said powers don't count

If you're talking to me, then yes, I did. That stipulation really makes no sense, as Nick Fury would be the only one without any enhancements. We'll never know if Wolvie could fight at all without them. Cap might have been average without them, Iron Fist was a master without them but he was trained IN a mystical place. There really is no way to say who would have been the best.