who is the better fighter?

[foxx5]

I think it would be:

Wolverine
Captain America
Iron Fist
Nick Fury

thats if it was a real to the death fight without powers or weapons, Wolverine has more training and actual experiance then any of them, Wolveirne is pooring writen to get beat up all the time, because he has a healing factor. If he was written with out it and Wolverine knew he couldn't rely on it, he would fall back on his 100 years of experiance in most forms of combat.

Captain America I think could take Iron Fist and Nick seems to not be able to cut it.

 

[Guyverjay]

Dr Strange is a martial arts master as well you know

the same with Thanos

 

[foxx5]

Dr Strange is a martial arts master as well you know
the same with Thanos

Thanos is a martial art master, I didn't know that, why would he need to know martial arts?

 

[Silver Sable]

Fury and Cap America

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thanos is a martial art master, I didn't know that, why would he need to know martial arts?

Why wouldn't he know martial arts, just in case?

 

[LongDong]

They'd more than likely just knock each other down all at once and then it'd be a tie :P, but anyway each of them has their own way of fighting so no individual way of fighting or the fighter is really better than the other.

The ending of Rocky 3 comes to mind

 

[Silicon Surfer]

In terms of pure skill alone I think that a list of martial artists would probably read like
1. Gamora
2. Mantis
3. Shang Chi
4. Iron Fist
5. Black Widow
6. Electra
7. Nick Fury
8. Wolverine
9. Daredevil
10. Captain America

I have the feeling that I am forgetting a few though.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow. I disagree with that list a lot.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Gamora was given the title of deadliest woman in the galaxy and all she had was skill. Mantis and Shang Chi have at different times been stated by Marvel to the best martial artists in the Marvel universe and it has also been repeatedly said that Iron Fist is behind Shang Chi but not by much. the Black Widow has been labeled the deadliest secret agent in the world and Fury himself has said that she is one of the only 2 people in the world that he is actually afraid of, the other being the original Spider Woman. Captain America considered by many on these boards to be the best relies on his speed and strength to a great extent.In the issue where Iron Fist and Cap fight the Wrecking Crew, after encountering Cap as an adversary, Fist makes the comment " his technique is basic but his speed and power are incredible"

 

[Vanguard07]

I know, I was just telling Vanguard that Fury is a good fighter. He seemed to think Fury wasn't a good fighter at all.

I never meant to imply that Fury's not a good fighter. I love fury. He's one of my favorite characters in marvel. I merely meant that his focus isnt in fighting. I'm sure he'd kick my ass in a fight but I dont think he's top 10 worthy in marvel. I'd put him at around 15-20 or so.

Also I think Champion's the best fighter in marvel. (or he's supposed to be) The guy has litterally billions of years of training and experienced entirely focused on combat. When he's written properly (as in outside of She-hulk) He should be unbeatable in a physical confrontation.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Champion's been beaten outside of that time in She-Hulk, I believe. He's kind of a waste of a character, to be honest. He's supposedly the best fighter ever, in the same way the Runner is the best speedster or the Grandmaster is the best manipulator, but everything I've seen of him seems to show him as basically just another super-strong bruiser.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Gamora was given the title of deadliest woman in the galaxy and all she had was skill. Mantis and Shang Chi have at different times been stated by Marvel to the best martial artists in the Marvel universe and it has also been repeatedly said that Iron Fist is behind Shang Chi but not by much. the Black Widow has been labeled the deadliest secret agent in the world and Fury himself has said that she is one of the only 2 people in the world that he is actually afraid of, the other being the original Spider Woman. Captain America considered by many on these boards to be the best relies on his speed and strength to a great extent.In the issue where Iron Fist and Cap fight the Wrecking Crew, after encountering Cap as an adversary, Fist makes the comment " his technique is basic but his speed and power are incredible"

"Basic"doesn't necessarily mean he's not as good as any of the other fighters. Nor do Fury's comments on Black Widow have any bearing on anything. She's never really shown herself to be up to Cap's level as far as I've seen. She's a great spy and works great as a government agent, but like Nick Fury, fighting's not really her specialty.

I agree with Gamora and Mantis being at the top of the list, though I'd probably place Mantis above Gamora. Gamora actually does have some modicum of super-strength and speed, along with a healing factor. Mantis is totally human but has knocked down the likes of Thor repeatedly. Also, if we're going by what's said, Libra should be up there with the top fighters. He received similar training to Mantis from the Priests of Pama, and his martial arts skills were so acute that he could fight blind better than most sighted people could.

 

[Vanguard07]

Champion's been beaten outside of that time in She-Hulk, I believe. He's kind of a waste of a character, to be honest. He's supposedly the best fighter ever, in the same way the Runner is the best speedster or the Grandmaster is the best manipulator, but everything I've seen of him seems to show him as basically just another super-strong bruiser.

I kinda agree. But in official terms he's pretty much Marvel's best fighter. He has the most skill and experience and he's strong enough and fast enough to out do everyone.

The only time i saw Champion lose but accepted it as believable was when he lost to the Thing (by forfeiting cause he didnt want to kill the Thing)

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The Champion has been steadily reduced in formidability in every appearance. In his original appearance Reeds equipment said that Champion was beyond Galactus in power, then he was defeated in battle by the Surfer. And now She Hulk? Next they will have the Yancy Streeters successfully mug him!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Official or not, I've always seen him as a chump, more along the lines of a Hulk foe than a master martial artist.

Here's a thought: why isn't Karnak on any lists? He technically has no powers beyond his natural Inhuman physiology, which makes him only slightly stronger and faster than peak human. The weakness sense is just a by-product of his intensive martial arts training. He's never been through the Terrigen Mists.

 

[Vanguard07]

Yeah. I'd put Karnak on their for sure. I've always wanted to see Karnak and Iron fist fight. It's been something i've been aching to see for like 10 years now.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That would be pretty cool. I wish Marvel and DC actually allowed good crossovers to be published whenever rather than just event crossovers. It'd be awesome to see Gamora vs. Karate Kid or Mantis vs. Batgirl.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The Black widow was good enough to be an Avenger and oneof the Champions as well as to hold her own alongside Spider Man in battle.And that was with amnesia. Gamora did not originally have superhumn physical abilities although as of the Infinity watch she does indeed seem to have high level superhuman physical abilities.On the top ten list of physical combatants powers included she is probably 2-10 with Warlock being no. 1

 

[TheOriginalman]

Nick Fury's an excellent fighter. Ask DBM.

That's true. Wolverine has what I like to call "Worf syndrome." He's the designated tough guy on the team, and for some reason the only way people decide to convey that is by having him charge in like an idiot and get his ass kicked.

But Worf kicked plenty of a$$ though.

 

[LongDong]

According to Marvel Wolverine has mastered every form of martial arts

 

[Whirlysplat]

Shang Chi, The Cat from MOKF, Batroc, The Weapons master and Ironfist are Marvels best without powers. Taskmasters "power" gives him the abilities, photo reflexes are not real.

- Whirly

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Black widow was good enough to be an Avenger and oneof the Champions as well as to hold her own alongside Spider Man in battle.And that was with amnesia. Gamora did not originally have superhumn physical abilities although as of the Infinity watch she does indeed seem to have high level superhuman physical abilities.On the top ten list of physical combatants powers included she is probably 2-10 with Warlock being no. 1

Big deal, D-Man was an Avenger too. I'm not saying Black Widow's not a good fighter, I just wouldn't count her among the top tiers alongside Iron Fist and Cap.

According to Marvel Wolverine has mastered every form of martial arts

No, it doesn't. It says he's mastered "virtually" every fighting style. Knowing a lot of fighting styles doesn't necessarily make you the best fighter by default, either. Compare Batman, who supposedly knows every martial arts style, to Batgirl, who specializes in only a few styles but can kick Batman's ass with her eyes closed.

 

[LongDong]

Big deal, D-Man was an Avenger too. I'm not saying Black Widow's not a good fighter, I just wouldn't count her among the top tiers alongside Iron Fist and Cap.

No, it doesn't. It says he's mastered "virtually" every fighting style. Knowing a lot of fighting styles doesn't necessarily make you the best fighter by default, either. Compare Batman, who supposedly knows every martial arts style, to Batgirl, who specializes in only a few styles but can kick Batman's ass with her eyes closed.

not much difference my friend

 

[32CAGE]

I agree with Thanosrules.

Iron Fist
Captain America
Wolverine
Nick Fury

 

[TheCorpulent1]

not much difference my friend

Difference enough that what you posted wasn't true.