Who Should Be The Big Bad In Thor 3?

[cherokeesam]

I'm not certain that Odin is necessarily out of the picture. Would Loki kill his old man, or even have the power to do so?

Back in the 70's Odin exiled himself in order to teach himself the lesson in humility he tried to impart upon his son. He put himself under an amnesiac spell, and found himself working as a ranch hand named "Orrin". the All Father blended in wonderfully - until he swatted away a runaway truck.

I think Odin is out there somewhere, either under a spell of his own making or one imposed upon him by Loki. Sir Anthony may be up for another go if they take away his ornamental headpiece and put him in overalls.

Hopkins is pretty much done with the role after TDW, he's said so. That doesn't mean they can't recast Odin, of course. I just think TDW left the franchise in a bind with an absolutely stupid ending. You simply *can't* have a sequel to TDW without Odin in SOME form....I mean, Loki still has to wear the disguise until he's unmasked; the audience is going to demand to know what happened to the real Odin; and Surtur simply should NOT be introduced without Odin as a foil.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Hopkins is pretty much done with the role after TDW, he's said so. That doesn't mean they can't recast Odin, of course. I just think TDW left the franchise in a bind with an absolutely stupid ending. You simply *can't* have a sequel to TDW without Odin in SOME form....I mean, Loki still has to wear the disguise until he's unmasked; the audience is going to demand to know what happened to the real Odin; and Surtur simply should NOT be introduced without Odin as a foil.

Why can't Surtur be done without Odin?

It's not like the they actually use the stories. They don't need the Odin Surtur connection to create a good story.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

What if Loki made a deal with Hela to keep Odin's soul and it's up to Thor to bring him back to help fight the threat of Surtur?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Hopkins is pretty much done with the role after TDW, he's said so. That doesn't mean they can't recast Odin, of course. I just think TDW left the franchise in a bind with an absolutely stupid ending. You simply *can't* have a sequel to TDW without Odin in SOME form....I mean, Loki still has to wear the disguise until he's unmasked; the audience is going to demand to know what happened to the real Odin; and Surtur simply should NOT be introduced without Odin as a foil.

I think Hopkins was just being crotchety. But by no means was his stance official. Feige made it clear the fate of the Allfather was uncertain and I recall reading somewhere that Hopkins still expected to film Thor 3? Anyhow I don't see what's wrong with the ending. It was a great twist! How does it leave them in a bind? If Hopkins really doesn't want to return well then they need to recast - plain and simple. No way you kill Odin off screen. No way. That would be totally lame. At the very least there needs to be a flashback sequence of some sort. If that's all it is then I would think they might even coerce Hopkins to return for something like that.

However, count me in the camp that feels Odin needs to stick around. Thor is not Superman or Batman. He has a father and he's a huge part of Thor's story. Hopkins though has certainly been playing this role like a man on his way out. If he doesn't want to do it anymore then it's time for someone new.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I'm not certain that Odin is necessarily out of the picture. Would Loki kill his old man, or even have the power to do so?

Back in the 70's Odin exiled himself in order to teach himself the lesson in humility he tried to impart upon his son. He put himself under an amnesiac spell, and found himself working as a ranch hand named "Orrin". the All Father blended in wonderfully - until he swatted away a runaway truck.

I think Odin is out there somewhere, either under a spell of his own making or one imposed upon him by Loki. Sir Anthony may be up for another go if they take away his ornamental headpiece and put him in overalls.

Good points. Honestly, I think it's the eye patch that bugs him more than anything. And if the way they CGI'd Bor's helmet on I couldn't even tell! Why can't they do that for Thor and Odin?

 

[cherokeesam]

Why can't Surtur be done without Odin?

It's not like the they actually use the stories. They don't need the Odin Surtur connection to create a good story.

They do if it's about Ragnarok. Ragnarok is *very* specific in setting up its fight card --- Odin vs. Surtur, Thor vs. Jormungandr, Tyr vs. Fenris Wolf, etc. It's all about inexorable fate....no matter how hard even the gods try to escape it or twist it or throw a curveball, this is THE only way it's going to go down. Period. And the gods have to accept that fate grudgingly.

What if Loki made a deal with Hela to keep Odin's soul and it's up to Thor to bring him back to help fight the threat of Surtur?

That could work.
It still means they'd have to twist Hopkins' arm to return to the role, or else start looking for a replacement Odin.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Or... Marvel Studios could do what it has been doing what it's been doing from the start and just cherry pick what they want to make the story they want with no though of fealty to any previous source material at all. I don't have to like it, but that is what they have been doing. A RAGNAROK based film isn't suddenly going to stop that streak, I don't think.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

They do if it's about Ragnarok. Ragnarok is *very* specific in setting up its fight card --- Odin vs. Surtur, Thor vs. Jormungandr, Tyr vs. Fenris Wolf, etc. It's all about inexorable fate....no matter how hard even the gods try to escape it or twist it or throw a curveball, this is THE only way it's going to go down. Period. And the gods have to accept that fate grudgingly.

It still means they'd have to twist Hopkins' arm to return to the role, or else start looking for a replacement Odin.

They have made it pretty clear Asgardians are not gods or immortal, so they wouldn't have that 'repeating itself Ragnarok' anyway. I imagine Ragnarok will be a one off event that is supposed to happen but it is avoided.

You could easily have it so Surtur was born at the beginning of time, destined to end the nine realms. Either he is trapped and someone releases him, or he was always destined to rise at the fall of Odin.

 

[Mike Murdock]

That could work.
It still means they'd have to twist Hopkins' arm to return to the role, or else start looking for a replacement Odin.

I get the impression he'll do it for more money. He's in a lot of roles he looks like he hates and this is honestly one of them, but that doesn't mean he doesn't do them.

 

[Loki882]

He didn't seem like he hated the first one. Heck that's the most engaged I've seen him in a role in years. Also, just not having Odin after you set up that cliffhanger would not work. It'd be a gigantic copout.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

He didn't seem like he hated the first one. Heck that's the most engaged I've seen him in a role in years. Also, just not having Odin after you set up that cliffhanger would not work. It'd be a gigantic copout.

Yeah Hopkins gushed about working with Branagh on Thor. If the right director and story comes along I could see him changing his tune on Thor 3. But if it can't work, well - then as much as I would hate to see it - you gotta recast. There's no other option IMO.

They are just finally getting to adapting an iconic Thor tale and personally I will be sorely disappointed if I don't get to see this on the big screen:

 

[The_Manhunter]

In light of Feige's comments about how this is one of if not the most important Phase 3 film, I want Surtur to be the driving force with Thanos using the chaos to his advantage. Kind of like what Malekith's and Loki's respective roles were in The Dark World.

 

[KINGTHANOS]

In light of Feige's comments about how this is one of if not the most important Phase 3 film, I want Surtur to be the driving force with Thanos using the chaos to his advantage. Kind of like what Malekith's and Loki's respective roles were in The Dark World.

I'm stoked to see Surtur, but I'm just wondering how Marvel can do him in Thor 3, then do Dormammu or Mephisto in Dr. Strange without confusing the audience. They have similar powers, and similar kingdoms, especially Surtur and Mephisto.

 

[Iceman]

Damn, I really want Hopkins to want to do Odin.

 

[Batmannerism]

Yeah Hopkins gushed about working with Branagh on Thor. If the right director and story comes along I could see him changing his tune on Thor 3. But if it can't work, well - then as much as I would hate to see it - you gotta recast. There's no other option IMO.

They are just finally getting to adapting an iconic Thor tale and personally I will be sorely disappointed if I don't get to see this on the big screen:

Preach ! I'm not a Thor fan, but to see this Simonson classic adapted for the big screen, I'd be there in a heartbeat. It would be sad without Hopkins, who was a great Odin, but if they could find someone else as a reasonable recast, it would be one of the great epic moments in Marvel comics. Come on Disney, make it happen !

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Yeah I will be pretty disappointed if Anthony Hopkins does not return. I really enjoy him in the role. I'm fervently hoping that Marvel can persuade him to come back one more time just to bring the story full circle but if it's not to be - then there's no other option IMO - recast. We need Odin and nothing should hold back telling the best Thor story possible here. If we can deal with a different Bruce Banner we can certainly handle a new Odin.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I'm stoked to see Surtur, but I'm just wondering how Marvel can do him in Thor 3, then do Dormammu or Mephisto in Dr. Strange without confusing the audience. They have similar powers, and similar kingdoms, especially Surtur and Mephisto.

Yeah I've wondered about this as well. I think they will just have to find a way to distinguish the characters visually and in personality as well as motives/end game and relationships to the hero. I also think it might make sense to stick with Baron Mordo as a primary villain for the first Dr. Strange film and bring in Dormammu later.

Another thing I'm worried about is Surtur being considered a ripoff of the Balrog of Moria. Again a distinct visual aesthetic is essential here.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Preach ! I'm not a Thor fan, but to see this Simonson classic adapted for the big screen, I'd be there in a heartbeat. It would be sad without Hopkins, who was a great Odin, but if they could find someone else as a reasonable recast, it would be one of the great epic moments in Marvel comics. Come on Disney, make it happen !

Yeah I started this thought on another thread but seeing that scene from Simonson's classic epic up on the big screen would be akin to Cap fans seeing this come to life:

Or Iron Man fans seeing this:

 

[The Villain]

I know it won't happen but to see The Wrecking Crew be apart of the film series would be a big wish.

Also I would love to see Kurse return perhaps as hired help once more.

 

[zeroapoc]

Surtur though I would love to see Charlize Theron or Eva Green as Enchantress. It's about time. Make it happen, Marvel.

Sorry, but like I said Eva Green as Hela.

 

[The Overlord]

I know it won't happen but to see The Wrecking Crew be apart of the film series would be a big wish.

Also I would love to see Kurse return perhaps as hired help once more.

The Wrecking Crew could work as hired muscle, but they couldn't be the Big Bad of the film.

 

[bubbadoom]

Sorry, but like I said Eva Green as Hela.

She would be a good choice - and Marvel needs to introduce Hela soon so she can be the object of Thanos' affection in the Infinity Wars...

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think they're separate characters in the comics.

 

[zeroapoc]

They are. But wow, that is an intriguing idea that hadn't occurred to me.

 

[Mjölnir]

They do if it's about Ragnarok. Ragnarok is *very* specific in setting up its fight card --- Odin vs. Surtur, Thor vs. Jormungandr, Tyr vs. Fenris Wolf, etc. It's all about inexorable fate....no matter how hard even the gods try to escape it or twist it or throw a curveball, this is THE only way it's going to go down. Period. And the gods have to accept that fate grudgingly.

First of all the movie universe is not the same as the comic universe (and neither is very close to the myths at all). They can change anything and there's been plenty of changes already.

Secondly in the most famous Surtur saga, written by Simonson, Surtur is taken down but the combined effort of Odin, Thor and Loki. It wasn't at all about only Odin fighting him.

Ragnarok is also not inevitable to go down in a certain way, as shown when Thor broke the cycle in the comics.