Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 1

[ernesth100]

Dr Octopus is not short lol.

You sir are correct, however my point still stands(on the Batman/Spider-Man similarities thing not the Penguin=Ock thing).

 

[Webhead2006]

As for the whole marvel/sony thing. We pretty much know marvel is the ones driving the film series now on a creative front. Sony is just pretty much giving marvel ideas the ok, and sony fronting the costs to make the film. Which sony gets the box office returns from. Where marvel does not see that money. But continue to get the merch sales. Which is more important really then box office returns. As Spidey merch wise sells around 1.3 billion annually. So any way both will make bank off the character as long as film is a success and fans/general audiences takes a liking to it.

Spiderboy you had a interesting listing a few pages back. I agree with most of it. But i dont agree fully. Now yes i agree there is plently of thug villains and are good for that being thugs. But then there is others like kraven/chameleon, mysterio and others who can easily headline there own film. Its all about the direction, story they take. Hell they could for all we know take a obscure villain and turn him into a A lister cause of the film and that then trickles down into the comics.

For me still i feel that mysterio or the vulture are the best to be starting out powered/powered by tech villains. A nice stepping stone to later bigger gun guys like ock/goblin/venom/etc....... And mysterio he is a totally different villain type then we seen in the past 5 films. He has great visuals to play off of. Plus with his powers and tech can easily lead to with his illusions and mind games be a way to throw in small origin bits organically into the film. As we know it wont be a full blown origin. And i am we will still get some origin bits down in some ways.

As for vulture we can do the whole old vs young aspect. again another different type of villain. And brings to the table some unique fight scenes we can get in the film. And to showcase spidey powers and web slinging skills. Plus if we toss in some mcu connection like i brought up in past saying he was the original designer of the tech that became the wings falcon used. It makes for a nice organic nods to other mcu characters and events. Then maybe also throw in vulture 2 in some fashion to ties to sam's past.

I just cant wait to see what villain is the main villain for the film. Will we see a secondary villain too. Then if we do any bit parts for folks like norman/curt/eddie to lay the future seeds of their turns to evil down the road. Then it would also be great to like i said toss in a c/d lister for a joke/opening scene for laughs.

Seesh off the board most of the day due to work, and then relaxing. And see 3/4 pages wasted on silly batman talk/bat board during TDK TDKR times. Seesh we really need to get back on topic.

As for the talk of powered foes vs non powered foes. There is no reason a non powered person couldnt be a threat to peter or that peter couldnt take on a more normal person. He has done it for 53 yrs has fought muggers, bank robbers, thief, evil business men, dictators, aliens, magical foes, and powered guys. So there is no reason spidey cant fight a normal guy and that the fight cant still be good and tell a good story.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

You sir are correct, however my point still stands(on the Batman/Spider-Man similarities thing not the Penguin=Ock thing).

Well not all I don't think. Similarities are very loose for most of them. I mean like Rhino and Bane are not same. Just both strong but Bane smart and devious and Rhino is stupid and a thug lol. Killer Croc strong too. He cannot change back to human like Lizard can. Is Herbert Landon like have a two face in comics because I never see it? Just in cartoon show from 90's. Joker and Green Goblin not same just because they both crazy. Different kind of crazy.

You see what I mean yes? Also want to ask when you say you want Kingpin for Spider-Man movie do you mean from Daredevil show played by same actor?

 

[ThePhantasm]

There's no Batman / Spider-man rivalry here. Someone made an offhand comment about the Nolan films and a Nolan fan came in here to defend them. The thread got derailed. Its not a big deal, let's move on.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Best villain of Marvel studios yes?

 

[Webhead2006]

Kingpin and loki are the best so far. And i do hope we see kingpin and spidey on screen at some point. But just cause most of the others havent been the best. Doesnt automatically mean all of spidey's rouge gallery will be treated the same. We have to remember besides a few big guns like kingpin, loki, thanos marvel has alot of the big guns tied elsewhere and have used lower grade villains in the films. More so guys general audiences dont really know. But spidey is a different beast.

 

[ernesth100]

Well not all I don't think. Similarities are very loose for most of them. I mean like Rhino and Bane are not same. Just both strong but Bane smart and devious and Rhino is stupid and a thug lol. Killer Croc strong too. He cannot change back to human like Lizard can. Is Herbert Landon like have a two face in comics because I never see it? Just in cartoon show from 90's. Joker and Green Goblin not same just because they both crazy. Different kind of crazy.

You see what I mean yes? Also want to ask when you say you want Kingpin for Spider-Man movie do you mean from Daredevil show played by same actor?

Of course from the Netflix show. I mean, why would they recast such a fantastic actor.

 

[Webhead2006]

their would be no reason for a recast as spidey is with the mcu now. The only reason a recast would happen is if vincent says he is thru and i doubt he be gone any time in the next few yrs.

 

[I'm Venom]

Seeing as how these universes are tied unlike DC's film franchises I'd be completely floored if they used someone else as a film Kingpin.

 

[gugumugats]

I vote Mysterio.

However, Kraven seems to be the next logical step for a movie villain. I can him studying Peter Parker/Spider-Man to flesh out and possibly give an exposition dump to introduce us to the new interpretation of Spidey.

 

[Webhead2006]

Their is no reason kingpin couldnt show up at some point be it in solo film, or a team film or something.

 

[ernesth100]

their would be no reason for a recast as spidey is with the mcu now. The only reason a recast would happen is if vincent says he is thru and i doubt he be gone any time in the next few yrs.

Or if he dies....yeah...um. Changing subject.

Kingpin would be awesome. I think he could really screw with Spideys mind, like he did in the USM comics.

 

[Webhead2006]

i dont think they would off fisk for awhile.

 

[ernesth100]

I mean if his actor dies.

 

[Webhead2006]

that would suck alot.

 

[ernesth100]

that would suck alot.

Indeed.

 

[Webhead2006]

ya i cant wait to see what season 2 of dd does with fisk. Then of course in time dd/kingpin and spidey all on screen together.

 

[ernesth100]

I'm still thinking they could easily do Vulture if they spice him up a bit. Add some new details to his character, or take a few liberties.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

I wonder ho wmuch they're willing to spend with this reboot, the villain they choose will depend on that.

 

[ernesth100]

I say the minimum amount they'd spend on this is 140-180 million. Max being somewhere around 200-230 million.

But then sometimes I think, I mean Spider-Man can stick to walls, swing from webs(basically really thin ropes), has super strength and reflexes and the Spider-Sense doesn't requier much cgi either. His costume isn't complex like Iron Man or Thor. Spider-Man shouldn't really cost as much as he does. But I guess when you really want something to succeed you put all you got into it. It's worked so far for Marvel.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm still thinking they could easily do Vulture if they spice him up a bit. Add some new details to his character, or take a few liberties.

Id rather they not...

Keep him as is, just pair him with someone who makes sense.

 

[Frodo]

If they have the right story for the villain and add dynamics which add to the character, then I don't mind some changes from the comic. I'm not one of those fans who demands everything be just like the comic or be a straight up adaptation of a character or the comics. The best comic book films have made some changes from the source material and characters, and aren't "straight from the comics" .

As long as they keep the spirit and essence of the character, and is not the character in name only, than I'm fine if the writers have a new, good ,creative spin on the character. Characters like Vulture, Kraven, and Mysterio have more creative leeway to do that with since they haven't been done yet in live action, and aren't known to the GA , and thus, don't have the GA expectations of what they should be like.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

If they have the right story for the villain and add dynamics which add to the character, then I don't mind some changes from the comic. I'm not one of those fans who demands everything be just like the comic or be a straight up adaptation of a character or the comics. The best comic book films have made some changes from the source material and characters, and aren't "straight from the comics" .

As long as they keep the spirit and essence of the character, and is not the character in name only, than I'm fine if the writers have a new, good ,creative spin on the character. Characters like Vulture, Kraven, and Mysterio have more creative leeway to do that with since they haven't been done yet in live action, and aren't known to the GA , and thus, don't have the GA expectations of what they should be like.

I'd be really disappointed if Mysterio was exactly as he was in the comics. Take the general concept and he can be so much more.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well since sony s handling the filming costs and after asm 2 budget was so big and they made so little off the film after over head costs. It would probably be wiser to stick to a smaller budget. And wisely use said budget correctly. So I would say go around what antman budget was. Which would still be plently to pull off good film. And just don't waste budget.

 

[PeterBenParker]

As for vulture we can do the whole old vs young aspect. again another different type of villain. And brings to the table some unique fight scenes we can get in the film. And to showcase spidey powers and web slinging skills. Plus if we toss in some mcu connection like i brought up in past saying he was the original designer of the tech that became the wings falcon used. It makes for a nice organic nods to other mcu characters and events. Then maybe also throw in vulture 2 in some fashion to ties to sam's past.

I'm still thinking they could easily do Vulture if they spice him up a bit. Add some new details to his character, or take a few liberties.

I don't even think that's needed. I'd just have him not be the in-your-face antagonist and have the whole environment of high school truly be Peter's greatest enemy thus far since receiving his powers.

Peter - High School
Spidey - Vulture

See what I mean?