Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 2

[Doctor Octopus]

Do you think they will go with just one villain for the first film or make a mistake and do multiple villains again?

One main villain and one minor villain I think they do. One villain only work if it Green Goblin, Dr Octopus or Lizard. They only ones who good enough to be alone as villain in movie. They all been in movies before and Marvel say new villain will be one not been in movies yet.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Do you think they will go with just one villain for the first film or make a mistake and do multiple villains again?

Well, that's not a loaded question. I think they'll have an intro villain and then a bigger threat. I certainly don't think it would be a mistake to have street level villains (Tombstone, Hammerhead, or just some mob guys) at the beginning of the film.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Gotta love the hipsters in this thread



Don't make me laugh. Just about all the memorable Venom stories had Eddie as Venom. He's the one who made Venom the most popular of Spidey's foes. The early Brock who used to stalk Spidey and sadistically toy with him is the version that comes to most people's minds of when they think about Venom. What memorable stories did the other Venoms have? Mac Gargan was just there, and Flash is still better remembered for being the bully from Peter's high school years than for being Venom.

I really don't want to start this argument again but to answer your question: Gargan has Thunderbolts and Dark Reign; Flash has his (amazing) origin, time on Secret Avengers, and going solo in Philly.

Brock has his debut arc, and that's about it.

 

[JOE]

Just because two Spider-Man movies have made the mistake of "overstuffing" their movies with villains doesn't mean that a movie with multiple villains is doomed. Two beats don't make a rhythm.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Gotta love the hipsters in this thread



Don't make me laugh. Just about all the memorable Venom stories had Eddie as Venom. He's the one who made Venom the most popular of Spidey's foes. The early Brock who used to stalk Spidey and sadistically toy with him is the version that comes to most people's minds of when they think about Venom. What memorable stories did the other Venoms have? Mac Gargan was just there, and Flash is still better remembered for being the bully from Peter's high school years than for being Venom.

Venom was popular because he looked like an evil demon Spider-Man. That's it. Venom is popular because he looks badass the same way how Spawn was popular. Like Spawn, Venom was style over substance.

It's why I've always felt in all the late 80s and 90s comics that came out, the only new character who wasn't just "style over substance" like your Venoms, Doomsdays, Spawns, Carnages, and more is Hellboy who had the perfect combination of style and substance right from his origin.

 

[Slade W]

Venom was popular because he looked like an evil demon Spider-Man. That's it. Venom is popular because he looks badass the same way how Spawn was popular. Like Spawn, Venom was style over substance.

Its cool that you are in the minds of all them people who like Venom. I will be sure to ask you what they think of stuff from time to time.

 

[zeptron]

Do you think they will go with just one villain for the first film or make a mistake and do multiple villains again?

Simply having multiple villains isn't the problem though. It's the way they're handled. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight had multiple villains and those movies get praised a lot on the internet. Whereas Amazing Spider-man 1 had one villain and that's received mostly mixed reviews.

Venom was popular because he looked like an evil demon Spider-Man. That's it. Venom is popular because he looks badass the same way how Spawn was popular. Like Spawn, Venom was style over substance.

I say this applies to mostly Carnage fans than Venom fans. Most people that like Carnage so much don't read comics and like him more for his concept than actual character. People do love crazy SOBs. Whereas most comic readers dislike him. Since his debut he's appeared in less than 200 comics I believe. There are even Marvel characters that debuted after he did and have made more comic appearances than him.(Including a character who at the time hadn't even been around for a decade)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Simply having multiple villains isn't the problem though. It's the way they're handled. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight had multiple villains and those movies get praised a lot on the internet. Whereas Amazing Spider-man 1 had one villain and that's received mostly mixed reviews.

it's always about how they fit in together...

the reason team-up villain movies fail are because the studio is thinking about their abilities/special FX and looks before story. Sandman/Venom don't work as a team up... neither do Rhino/Electro/Green goblin...

you have to make them make sense...

 

[zeptron]

it's always about how they fit in together...

the reason team-up villain movies fail are because the studio is thinking about their abilities/special FX and looks before story. Sandman/Venom don't work as a team up... neither do Rhino/Electro/Green goblin...

you have to make them make sense...

Exactly. I'm always saying that Raimi's original plan for Spider-man 3 would most likely have worked out better than what we ended with since it would have featured Sandman and Vulture being former cellmates and would have shared scenes together. That would have been two story arcs going on instead of three completely unrelated ones.

And I don't think Rhino should even count as a villain for ASM2. His role there was nothing more than a cameo. He didn't even become Rhino until the end after the main plot was over.

 

[Napoleon]

Its cool that you are in the minds of all them people who like Venom. I will be sure to ask you what they think of stuff from time to time.

Don't bother. The fact is, you'll never get the Silver Age purists on board with Venom.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Just because two Spider-Man movies have made the mistake of "overstuffing" their movies with villains doesn't mean that a movie with multiple villains is doomed. Two beats don't make a rhythm.

Right. Plenty of the best superhero movies have multiple villains, such as the Dark Knight Trilogy, Superman II, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and Guardians of the Galaxy.

There are very few Spider-Man villains that can carry a film on their own, and most of them have already been done (Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Lizard). Most Spidey villains are either lacking a strong enough character (ex. Shocker) or have a strong character but aren't enough of a physical villain (ex. Kingpin).

 

[I'm Venom]

Disagreed. He only most memorable because he first and longest Venom than other two. He also only one that been in cartoons and movie. That not make him best. Just stalking Spider-Man and make empty threats boring. Not make great villain. Gargan and Flash Venoms better. Agent Venom works because Flash is a good character in his own right. His development from high school bully to war hero to superhero is legitimately interesting story, and he has a long and personal relationship with Peter Parker. So when you give him the symbiote, there is more substance there than just look and powers. Everything interesting about Brock's version of the character comes from the symbiote itself. He personally adds nothing. Just boring stalker.

I feel that Venom started slipping when the reboot happened in the late '90s. It seems that after all that happened Venom was never used right again. If Venom were written as a deadly threat to Spider-Man like he used to be then he'd be a great villain again. Venom knows everything about Spider-Man, he's got all of his powers but enhanced, cancels Spidey's greatest asset his Spider-Sense, and has loose morals about killing. He's got all the tools to be that threat. Brock is every bit as dangerous as the scorned symbiote. Creepy. Infiltrates Parker's life and causes terror. This was a good Venom.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Don't bother. The fact is, you'll never get the Silver Age purists on board with Venom.

Napoleon, Napoleon, my dearest Bonaparte. I'm offended. You've known me from CBM. I'm not a Silver Age purist. I'm a fan of good characters. Venom in the comics isn't one for 2 sole reasons.

1) Venom/Eddie has a weak weak weak motive

2) Marvel has no ****ing idea if they want Eddie as a hero or villain

3) He's known Spidey's identity since his first appearance and besides beating up Black Cat and scaring MJ, he's done nothing with this information.

The only time Venom was actually good was Spetacular Spider-Man. That's it. Eddie's reasons for hating Peter and Spidey were just and fit. He tried going after Aunt May, he went after Gwen, he went after Peter in his own home, he exposed Spidey's secret identity.

Venom's biggest problem is simple: he has no identity. He has no characteristic snitch that makes him different. Green Goblin/Norman is the opposite of Peter in every way, Doc Ock is what would happen if Peter used his great power for his own responsibility and had a dick father figure. Carnage is a serial killer and likes killing. Simple as that. What does Venom do?

Let's look at it like Batman foes. Joker makes Batman's life a living hell and is the opposite of Batman, Hush makes Bruce Wayne's life a living hell and is the opposite of Bruce Wayne, Two-Face is the duality of Bruce and Batman, Riddler tests and pushes Batman's mind, Mr Freeze is what would happen if Bruce dedicated his life to vengeance over justice, Ivy's care and protection of plants is no different then Batman's care and protection of the innocent, Penguin is a mockery of Bruce Wayne's life, Scarecrow puts Batman's fears to the test, Ra's is everything like Batman but in a much more extreme and one sided sense

I don't even know what the hell Venom is anything. And I'm talking Eddie. Some comics have had teaming up doing good then he's evil. I mean what the ****, he Spidey's Catwoman?

That's why Carnage in the comics is a far superior symbiote. While his motives are simple, they fit. They are interesting. A serial killer with alien goop all over him? That's interesting. Plus Carnage at least becomes the thing of nightmares. Venom looks like the thing of nightmares but just isn't. It's like having one of the aliens from Aliens be a good guy. That's Venom. Carnage is everything Venom should be BUT ISN'T.

Like I said everything about the Spetacular Spider-Man version of Venom/Eddie was pretty much perfect. Flawless. It's the Venom we've been wanting since his debut. Someone he's a nightmare to Peter. Someone who's motive is just. This isn't ****ting on any age of comics. This is ****ting on a ****** character.

If Eddie Brock/Venom truly was a great character, we wouldn't need so many symbiotes and also so many people being Venom. We've had about 15 different alien Venom like symbiotes villains. We've had numerous hosts for Venom. Hell Eddie Brock got a second symbiote in Anti-Venom. If Venom/Eddie was truly great, he'd be able to stand up on his own and not need 10 different symbiotes who were created less than 10 years after him.

I don't know if Marvel's too soft to unleash Venom/Eddie's villainous potential but I will say one of my favorite Spidey comics is Sensational Spider-Man 38 and 39. Takes place before OMD and while Aunt May is on her death bed. Eddie is in the same hospital as Aunt May and they way the symbiote is portrayal was beautiful. This dark disturbing demon to Eddie. I didn't care about Eddie but how Venom was portrayal was everything I wanted from Venom.

That's how I want Venom to be. **** Eddie Brock. Who cares for him. That direction that dialogue. That's how Venom should be portrayed. **** this ******** making Eddie look like a hero or good. Nobody gives a **** when you look like something out of a horror film.

At the end of the day, Eddie Brock is a ****** character. Venom has potential to be Spidey's best foe but due to the sympathetic natural Marvel tries to make Eddie. Venom will never see his potential.

The story I posted images from ends with Eddie overcome the Venom demon in his head. **** that Marvel. Like I said. Eddie holds back Venom's villainous potential. I'd prefer to see Venom as he put it. A dictatorship not a partnership which is what I do in my take on Venom.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I feel that Venom started slipping when the reboot happened in the late '90s. It seems that after all that happened Venom was never used right again. If Venom were written as a deadly threat to Spider-Man like he used to be then he'd be a great villain again. Venom knows everything about Spider-Man, he's got all of his powers but enhanced, cancels Spidey's greatest asset his Spider-Sense, and has loose morals about killing. He's got all the tools to be that threat. Brock is every bit as dangerous as the scorned symbiote. Creepy. Infiltrates Parker's life and causes terror. This was a good Venom.

Venom's main issue was over-use. When a villain becomes so popular, Marvel typically starts turning them into heroes... so they tried that route.. and it never really fit in a sensical way. Venom wasn't allowed to take a breather, so they kept pushing him heavy in comics and he burned out.. unlike most of the rest who did get breathers.. and motives changed to fit the stories.

i get really bored over the "venom has a weak motive" dead horse beating people like to try to dump on him (see leviticuz) because in all honesty.. a BIG chunk of spider-man villains have ridiculous motives and many just don't make any sense... I mean.. for most they just go after spidey because he got in the way of their plans...

After Venom's first story arch which had a good motive (and much deeper in all honesty to most of his classic villains) it just sorta became "alright Eddie, you're a protector too get over your hatred of peter, you don't like the guy and you will bicker back and forth like Wolverine and Sabretooth do when they team up.. but you no longer have a clear drive for taking on spidey..."

that's sort of how venom shifted into... if he would have remained a big ball of pure alien hatred... or if he needed to feed off people/something to stay alive.. then yeah.. it would have made a little more sense.

I absolutely love Mcfarlanes Venom, and the stories were good then. But once they tried to make him a hero and really only hate peter... it really limited the storylines...

Me personally? I would have had the symbiote duplicate some of the radioactivity from his spider bite in his blood stream, and amplify it 10 fold... and Eddie suffering because of it.. his health and the health of people around him. That way the hatred for Peter goes beyond just losing his job and being a washed up reporter.. but because of the fact Peter didn't find a more responsible way to get rid of the symbiote... eddie was cursed by it.. and it continued to destroy his life.

but making him a hero.. and only really hating peter was a big mistake on marvel's behalf, on top of striking the iron while it was hot until it was completely warn out.

But Venom's original story arch up until the end of Maximum Carnage was quite good...

 

[Napoleon]

I understand what you're saying LEVI and agree that Venom is not always utilized properly. But I disagree that he has weak motives. As a journalist, he has a strong desire to see the corrupt held accountable for his actions, which is why he took up that profession. As someone who's interested in journalism myself and always strives for high journalistic standards, I find that quality admirable to be honest. Venom also has a moral code where he refuses to kill innocents, and in a perverse sense, sees himself as the hero. There's also an element of tragedy to his story because when you get down to it, Eddie Brock was a decent, hardworking man who in a twist of fate, was saddled with this cancerous leech if you will and suffered because of it. Really, Eddie is not the bad guy, Venom is. Unfortunately, a lot of writers don't understand what makes him work but in the right hands, he's a truly formidable foe.

 

[I'm Venom]

There's a reason they use Venom a lot. He's Spider-Man's arch nemesis. Saying he's overused is the same as saying Joker is overused.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Green Goblin is Spider-Man's arch nemesis.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Green Goblin is Spider-Man's arch nemesis.

There's a reason they use Venom a lot. He's Spider-Man's arch nemesis. Saying he's overused is the same as saying Joker is overused.

yeah.... I'm Venom... joker is not comparable to venom at all....... bane maybe.. but not Joker..

Norman Osborn is his arch enemy...
Venom is just his mirror enemy.. and part of spideys top 3...

which are easily Norman, Doc Ock, and Venom

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

There is a reason we've had five Spider-Man films and Norman Osborn was involved in all of them. Even when he's dead.

 

[UltimateMarvel]

If we get Venom sometime in the future, I hope they make him cynical.

 

[The Joker]

Venom was popular because he looked like an evil demon Spider-Man. That's it. Venom is popular because he looks badass the same way how Spawn was popular. Like Spawn, Venom was style over substance.

It's why I've always felt in all the late 80s and 90s comics that came out, the only new character who wasn't just "style over substance" like your Venoms, Doomsdays, Spawns, Carnages, and more is Hellboy who had the perfect combination of style and substance right from his origin.

Napoleon, Napoleon, my dearest Bonaparte. I'm offended. You've known me from CBM. I'm not a Silver Age purist. I'm a fan of good characters. Venom in the comics isn't one for 2 sole reasons.

1) Venom/Eddie has a weak weak weak motive

2) Marvel has no ****ing idea if they want Eddie as a hero or villain

3) He's known Spidey's identity since his first appearance and besides beating up Black Cat and scaring MJ, he's done nothing with this information.

The only time Venom was actually good was Spetacular Spider-Man. That's it. Eddie's reasons for hating Peter and Spidey were just and fit. He tried going after Aunt May, he went after Gwen, he went after Peter in his own home, he exposed Spidey's secret identity.

Venom's biggest problem is simple: he has no identity. He has no characteristic snitch that makes him different. Green Goblin/Norman is the opposite of Peter in every way, Doc Ock is what would happen if Peter used his great power for his own responsibility and had a dick father figure. Carnage is a serial killer and likes killing. Simple as that. What does Venom do?

Let's look at it like Batman foes. Joker makes Batman's life a living hell and is the opposite of Batman, Hush makes Bruce Wayne's life a living hell and is the opposite of Bruce Wayne, Two-Face is the duality of Bruce and Batman, Riddler tests and pushes Batman's mind, Mr Freeze is what would happen if Bruce dedicated his life to vengeance over justice, Ivy's care and protection of plants is no different then Batman's care and protection of the innocent, Penguin is a mockery of Bruce Wayne's life, Scarecrow puts Batman's fears to the test, Ra's is everything like Batman but in a much more extreme and one sided sense

I don't even know what the hell Venom is anything. And I'm talking Eddie. Some comics have had teaming up doing good then he's evil. I mean what the ****, he Spidey's Catwoman?

That's why Carnage in the comics is a far superior symbiote. While his motives are simple, they fit. They are interesting. A serial killer with alien goop all over him? That's interesting. Plus Carnage at least becomes the thing of nightmares. Venom looks like the thing of nightmares but just isn't. It's like having one of the aliens from Aliens be a good guy. That's Venom. Carnage is everything Venom should be BUT ISN'T.

Like I said everything about the Spetacular Spider-Man version of Venom/Eddie was pretty much perfect. Flawless. It's the Venom we've been wanting since his debut. Someone he's a nightmare to Peter. Someone who's motive is just. This isn't ****ting on any age of comics. This is ****ting on a ****** character.

If Eddie Brock/Venom truly was a great character, we wouldn't need so many symbiotes and also so many people being Venom. We've had about 15 different alien Venom like symbiotes villains. We've had numerous hosts for Venom. Hell Eddie Brock got a second symbiote in Anti-Venom. If Venom/Eddie was truly great, he'd be able to stand up on his own and not need 10 different symbiotes who were created less than 10 years after him.

I don't know if Marvel's too soft to unleash Venom/Eddie's villainous potential but I will say one of my favorite Spidey comics is Sensational Spider-Man 38 and 39. Takes place before OMD and while Aunt May is on her death bed. Eddie is in the same hospital as Aunt May and they way the symbiote is portrayal was beautiful. This dark disturbing demon to Eddie. I didn't care about Eddie but how Venom was portrayal was everything I wanted from Venom.

That's how I want Venom to be. **** Eddie Brock. Who cares for him. That direction that dialogue. That's how Venom should be portrayed. **** this ******** making Eddie look like a hero or good. Nobody gives a **** when you look like something out of a horror film.

At the end of the day, Eddie Brock is a ****** character. Venom has potential to be Spidey's best foe but due to the sympathetic natural Marvel tries to make Eddie. Venom will never see his potential.

The story I posted images from ends with Eddie overcome the Venom demon in his head. **** that Marvel. Like I said. Eddie holds back Venom's villainous potential. I'd prefer to see Venom as he put it. A dictatorship not a partnership which is what I do in my take on Venom.

I love you, LEVI. Talk about a double smack down.

Green Goblin is Spider-Man's arch nemesis.

I think of it as Green Goblin is Peter Parker's arch nemesis, and Doc Ock is Spider-Man's.

Venom doesn't even come into the equation. I'd rate J. Jonah Jameson as a better arch nemesis to Spidey than Venom. At least Jameson's hatred of him makes sense.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think of it as Green Goblin is Peter Parker's arch nemesis, and Doc Ock is Spider-Man's.

I didn't think of it that way, but yeah, I can buy that argument.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

There's a reason they use Venom a lot. He's Spider-Man's arch nemesis. Saying he's overused is the same as saying Joker is overused.

lol McDonalds have most restaurant chains all over world it not mean they the best restaurant ever. Venom is over used and over rated and never is he arch nemesis of Spider-Man. Not ever.

I think of it as Green Goblin is Peter Parker's arch nemesis, and Doc Ock is Spider-Man's.

Venom doesn't even come into the equation. I'd rate J. Jonah Jameson as a better arch nemesis to Spidey than Venom. At least Jameson's hatred of him makes sense.

Agreed. Green Goblin and Dr Octopus his top arch nemesis.

Napoleon, Napoleon, my dearest Bonaparte. I'm offended. You've known me from CBM. I'm not a Silver Age purist. I'm a fan of good characters. Venom in the comics isn't one for 2 sole reasons.

1) Venom/Eddie has a weak weak weak motive

2) Marvel has no ****ing idea if they want Eddie as a hero or villain

3) He's known Spidey's identity since his first appearance and besides beating up Black Cat and scaring MJ, he's done nothing with this information.

The only time Venom was actually good was Spetacular Spider-Man. That's it. Eddie's reasons for hating Peter and Spidey were just and fit. He tried going after Aunt May, he went after Gwen, he went after Peter in his own home, he exposed Spidey's secret identity.

Venom's biggest problem is simple: he has no identity. He has no characteristic snitch that makes him different. Green Goblin/Norman is the opposite of Peter in every way, Doc Ock is what would happen if Peter used his great power for his own responsibility and had a dick father figure. Carnage is a serial killer and likes killing. Simple as that. What does Venom do?

Let's look at it like Batman foes. Joker makes Batman's life a living hell and is the opposite of Batman, Hush makes Bruce Wayne's life a living hell and is the opposite of Bruce Wayne, Two-Face is the duality of Bruce and Batman, Riddler tests and pushes Batman's mind, Mr Freeze is what would happen if Bruce dedicated his life to vengeance over justice, Ivy's care and protection of plants is no different then Batman's care and protection of the innocent, Penguin is a mockery of Bruce Wayne's life, Scarecrow puts Batman's fears to the test, Ra's is everything like Batman but in a much more extreme and one sided sense

I don't even know what the hell Venom is anything. And I'm talking Eddie. Some comics have had teaming up doing good then he's evil. I mean what the ****, he Spidey's Catwoman?

That's why Carnage in the comics is a far superior symbiote. While his motives are simple, they fit. They are interesting. A serial killer with alien goop all over him? That's interesting. Plus Carnage at least becomes the thing of nightmares. Venom looks like the thing of nightmares but just isn't. It's like having one of the aliens from Aliens be a good guy. That's Venom. Carnage is everything Venom should be BUT ISN'T.

Like I said everything about the Spetacular Spider-Man version of Venom/Eddie was pretty much perfect. Flawless. It's the Venom we've been wanting since his debut. Someone he's a nightmare to Peter. Someone who's motive is just. This isn't ****ting on any age of comics. This is ****ting on a ****** character.

If Eddie Brock/Venom truly was a great character, we wouldn't need so many symbiotes and also so many people being Venom. We've had about 15 different alien Venom like symbiotes villains. We've had numerous hosts for Venom. Hell Eddie Brock got a second symbiote in Anti-Venom. If Venom/Eddie was truly great, he'd be able to stand up on his own and not need 10 different symbiotes who were created less than 10 years after him.

I don't know if Marvel's too soft to unleash Venom/Eddie's villainous potential but I will say one of my favorite Spidey comics is Sensational Spider-Man 38 and 39. Takes place before OMD and while Aunt May is on her death bed. Eddie is in the same hospital as Aunt May and they way the symbiote is portrayal was beautiful. This dark disturbing demon to Eddie. I didn't care about Eddie but how Venom was portrayal was everything I wanted from Venom.

That's how I want Venom to be. **** Eddie Brock. Who cares for him. That direction that dialogue. That's how Venom should be portrayed. **** this ******** making Eddie look like a hero or good. Nobody gives a **** when you look like something out of a horror film.

At the end of the day, Eddie Brock is a ****** character. Venom has potential to be Spidey's best foe but due to the sympathetic natural Marvel tries to make Eddie. Venom will never see his potential.

The story I posted images from ends with Eddie overcome the Venom demon in his head. **** that Marvel. Like I said. Eddie holds back Venom's villainous potential. I'd prefer to see Venom as he put it. A dictatorship not a partnership which is what I do in my take on Venom.

This is such great post Levikutz. Agreed with all of it. Eddie Brock is terrible character.

 

[The Overlord]

Simply having multiple villains isn't the problem though. It's the way they're handled. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight had multiple villains and those movies get praised a lot on the internet. Whereas Amazing Spider-man 1 had one villain and that's received mostly mixed reviews.




I say this applies to mostly Carnage fans than Venom fans. Most people that like Carnage so much don't read comics and like him more for his concept than actual character. People do love crazy SOBs. Whereas most comic readers dislike him. Since his debut he's appeared in less than 200 comics I believe. There are even Marvel characters that debuted after he did and have made more comic appearances than him.(Including a character who at the time hadn't even been around for a decade)

I think the problem with Carnage is he is a one trick pony, he goes on a killing spree, gets caught by Spidey, busts out of jail and goes on another killing spree, lather, rinse and repeat. He isn't a schemer like Joker and he isn't willing to work for others to help them achieve their goals like Bullseye. Its really hard to build a 3 act movie around him if he remains the way he is in the comics.

However I do think its unfair to lamblast Venom and Carnage for having weak motives, when really a lot of the non A-list villains from the Silver age are pretty weak in terms of motives and personalities.

Is Shocker really a compelling character in the comics? I want to like Shocker in the comics, but the writers give me nothing to work with, he is supposed professional criminal, yet he somehow has skills and educational back ground to make new technology and never thought to use that to make money. It just seems like Shocker was a student at MIT and one day, he just woke up and decided to start robbing banks, until the writers give him better motives and a more defined characterization, its easy to write him off as a silly, non nonsensical bad guy, with no real defined personality.

Mysterio in the comics doesn't get much personality either, he often wants revenge on Spidey, but what did Spidey actually do to him that would make him want revenge? At least in the animated series Mysterio has a reason for wanting revenge on Spidey, in the comics, he wants revenge on Spidey for no reason.

So yeah, I think Venom and Carnage would have to be reworked for the Silver Screen, but so would several Silver Age villains with weak motives and personalities.

 

[ernesth100]

Eddie isn't a terrible character. I wouldn't mind if they did him. It'd be nice. But I'd still rather my Flash becomes Venom thing. But come on this is the MCU they're gonna try to stick as close to the comics as possible.