Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 3

[I'm Venom]

Venom will happen, for reasons other than dramatic potential.

After all Spider-Man in the black costume was a genuine part of Spidey's continuity and legacy so it wouldn't come across as making a cool costume switch just to look different for the sake of it (ie Batman and Robin). Plus we all know he'll likely revert back to his red and blue threads by the end of the movie. Every kid will want a black costume version of Spider-Man. Venom is piss easy to do in a two hour film, but he does need to be Brock.

A lot of criticism of the character probably arises from his overexposure, he can't work over a long period of time. Perfect for a feature film though. The cinema difference is also why having Harry Osborn become another Goblin would be awful on screen. It wouldn't come off as an interesting sins-of-the-father story, it would smack of rehash.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I still say, as much as i myself am not a big fan of Venom, he lends himself perfect for a 4th installment.
They could easily do a first one with either Mysterio or Vulture (or Spot), a second with Chameleon, Scorpion (or Jack o' Lantern), a third one after Infinity War with Kraven and then Venom.

 

[ernesth100]

Too many hero films listed to shove in a Spider-Man sequel before IW.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Who know really? Everything could happen.

 

[ernesth100]

You're right. I certainly wouldn't object being the massive Spidey fan I am. I just don't want Spidey to have too much Box Office competition.

 

[harryoscop]

I still say, as much as i myself am not a big fan of Venom, he lends himself perfect for a 4th installment.
They could easily do a first one with either Mysterio or Vulture (or Spot), a second with Chameleon, Scorpion (or Jack o' Lantern), a third one after Infinity War with Kraven and then Venom.

Replace Jack'o Lantern with Kraven for the second film and replace Kraven with Venom for the third film and we have a deal.

I think we're going to see Venom sooner than Goblin and Ock.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Replace Jack'o Lantern with Kraven for the second film and replace Kraven with Venom for the third film and we have a deal.

I think we're going to see Venom sooner than Goblin and Ock.

Sorry but i just can't see Kraven for a second, if they are going to him on a movie it feels better if they build him up for a third and for him to do the Last Hunt after has been more set up as a hero or at least a more public figure.

 

[harryoscop]

Sorry but i just can't see Kraven for a second, if they are going to him on a movie it feels better if they build him up for a third and for him to do the Last Hunt after has been more set up as a hero or at least a more public figure.

I don't think we're going to see Kraven headline two films as the main villain. When has Marvel ever done that for a villain not named Loki? (Bucky doesn't count because he's not a villain) Marvel uses that character's most well-known story (Civil War, AOU) and then changes/adapts it to film. There are ways for Last Hunt to work on film without Spidey and Kraven having had a prior rivalry/feud.

Now the reason why I say Venom is going to be sooner rather than later is because of how much potential he has, plus Infinity War coming and there's a really good chance Spidey will go to space with the Avengers and acuire the Symbiote bringing it back to Eartn for the second solo. Not to mention how popular he is and how he sells more toys and merch than any Spidey villain. (though that could be irrelevant). Spider-Man 3 didn't even scratch the surface of the Symbiote mythology and that could really be explored now that Spidey's in the MCU.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I don't think we're going to see Kraven headline two films as the main villain. When has Marvel ever done that for a villain not named Loki? (Bucky doesn't count because he's not a villain) Marvel uses that character's most well-known story (Civil War, AOU) and then changes/adapts it to film. There are ways for Last Hunt to work on film without Spidey and Kraven having had a prior rivalry/feud.

Oh of course he isn't going to headline one movie, as you said Last Hunt can work in one film, i was saying that they build up to his appearence, probably having him already be investigating Spidey in the second movie, like a hunter (ba dum tss) seeing his prey, analyzing and preparating before attacking.

 

[harryoscop]

Oh of course he isn't going to headline one movie, as you said Last Hunt can work in one film, i was saying that they build up to his appearence, probably having him already be investigating Spidey in the second movie, like a hunter (ba dum tss) seeing his prey, analyzing and preparating before attacking.

I could see that working. Maybe treat Spidey 3 as the "Dark Knight Rises" of the trilogy. Bane breaking Batman's back = Kraven burying Spider-Man. Bane terrorizing Gotham = Kraven killing criminals dressed as Spider-Man. Bruce Wayne climbing out of the pit = Spider-Man rising out of the grave.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I could see that working. Maybe treat Spidey 3 as the "Dark Knight Rises" of the trilogy. Bane breaking Batman's back = Kraven burying Spider-Man. Bane terrorizing Gotham = Kraven killing criminals dressed as Spider-Man. Bruce Wayne climbing out of the pit = Spider-Man rising out of the grave.

Yeah like TDKR but better and less boring .

 

[harryoscop]

Yeah like TDKR but better and less boring .

 

[Webhead2006]

Well on schedule look we seen phases and films shift a few times over the years. If Sm 17 is a smash hit they could ultimate want to turn out and get sequel out sooner. And move films around. Or they could just add the film into the yr and make it be a 3rd film of x yr or what not.

Personally I dont think we really need to adapt last hunt on film. Let alone I would not want that story for first film take on kraven either.

And who knows how many times x foes could appear. Look at crossbones in cap 2 and back for cap 3. Plus who's to say we couldn't see a few foes multi times minus if guys are offed. Which I don't want to see.

Plus as much as I would want to see venom. Or goblin. I don't want them to at least 3rd film. If they where to be solo villain of said 3rd film. If not I still rather go with my sinister 6 idea as 3rd film.

First two films we have main threat and a secondary threat. And in those two films we see someone pulling tthe strings in the shadows (master planner aka doc ock). At end of both films the 4 foes are sent to jail. Then we open up 3rd film the shadowy man pulling the strings sends final member of the group to bust out the other 4. And right there we already have build up on 4 of the 6 guys. And easy set up on the 6 wanting to take out the spider and there you go.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Well on schedule look we seen phases and films shift a few times over the years. If Sm 17 is a smash hit they could ultimate want to turn out and get sequel out sooner. And move films around. Or they could just add the film into the yr and make it be a 3rd film of x yr or what not.

Exactly what i was trying to say, if Spider-Slam 2017 is a big hit, a movie is going to come, and i don't think that is going to come out after Infinity War.

 

[Webhead2006]

Plus I brought this up before if they really want to play off the hs angle and have it work over at least 2 solo and probably both infinity wars films. And with mcu time moving at real time. And if peter is a freshmen for civil war and into solo 1. That already puts a time stamp of peter being in hs from mcu and real time 2016 to 2020. You could fudge into 2021 if we have another big attack on nyc and school was delayed or anything.

But again I can't see them do 3 solo films and stretch him still being between 15 to 18 well into 2023 to 2024. When he should be in college and young adult. Plus goes against whole reason of casting young. And kevin talk of seeing peter age and grow per each appearance as role. Ala harry potter like.

Ideally schedule should be freshmen civil war 16 solo 1 17, sophomore in infinity part 1 in 18, junior in solo 2 and infinity part 2 19, then senior solo 3 in 2020 or if have to push it to 2021.

So solo 1 17, solo 2 19, solo 3 21. Or if they did solo 2 and 3 back to back and release it in 19 and 20.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Plus I brought this up before if they really want to play off the hs angle and have it work over at least 2 solo and probably both infinity wars films. And with mcu time moving at real time. And if peter is a freshmen for civil war and into solo 1. That already puts a time stamp of peter being in hs from mcu and real time 2016 to 2020. You could fudge into 2021 if we have another big attack on nyc and school was delayed or anything.

But again I can't see them do 3 solo films and stretch him still being between 15 to 18 well into 2023 to 2024. When he should be in college and young adult. Plus goes against whole reason of casting young. And kevin talk of seeing peter age and grow per each appearance as role. Ala harry potter like.

Ideally schedule should be freshmen civil war 16 solo 1 17, sophomore in infinity part 1 in 18, junior in solo 2 and infinity part 2 19, then senior solo 3 in 2020 or if have to push it to 2021.

So solo 1 17, solo 2 19, solo 3 21. Or if they did solo 2 and 3 back to back and release it in 19 and 20.

Basically what my good friend (guess, kinda, probably, i don't know) Webhead is trying to say is that we are surely to get two solo before Infinity War and that Peter isn't going to go out of High School in a long time.

 

[Webhead2006]

No I was saying we have solo 1. Then 8nfinity 1. And counting how much time is between films. We have solo 2. The infinity 2 after solo 2. Then solo 3 by 2020 or 2021.

I really can't see them keep hs angle if solo 1 is 2017. Infinity 1 in 18 and infinity 2 19. And then solo 2 and solo 3 doesn't happen to 2020 to 2022. Again goes against mcu time scale and real time scale things happen.

 

[AvegningSpider]

No I was saying we have solo 1. Then 8nfinity 1. And counting how much time is between films. We have solo 2. The infinity 2 after solo 2. Then solo 3 by 2020 or 2021.

I really can't see them keep hs angle if solo 1 is 2017. Infinity 1 in 18 and infinity 2 19. And then solo 2 and solo 3 doesn't happen to 2020 to 2022. Again goes against mcu time scale and real time scale things happen.

Okay, so there isn't enough time for Spidey get two movies....sudenly i feel very silly and like a dunce.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well yes and no they could still put a second solo out in 19 if either another film gets bumoed. Or if they just decided to add another film into the line up. Marvel has said they do plan to do more then 2 films per yr. Again it's all about how x film success is and how quickly marvel wants to turn around and get sequel out. And realistically if they really want to play more with hs age peter and have 3 films be hs time. Plus civil war and the infinity films to still in some fashion play with teen life of peter. All we have to do is have 3rd film out no later then 2021.

But if solo 2 isn't to 2020 and then solo 3 isn't to 2022. We really honestly can't see 3 solo films be set in hs time. We likely then if solo 2 is 2020. Then only see peter as a hs kid in civil war solo 1 highlight teen life in infinity films. Then solo 2 if out in 2020 he would the have to be a senior. And if solo 3 is 2022 he then be well into college.

Again like I said earlier since we know they want to do more with teen life and kevin has said peter will age and grow per appearances. I do not see them making mcu time magically now move slower. Or try to set ch 4 yrs of hs happening in 8 yrs of real time. It just works against everything.

Ok just checking at current lineup. For 2016 and 2017 we have 2 films each out those yrs. Civil war and doc strange. Then thor and spidey. 18 and 19 they already have 3 films set those two yrs. With infinity 1, antman 2. Black panther. Then captain marvel, infinity 2, and inhumans.

Then 2020 we know 3 dates are currently on dock for x films at the moment. So with that if they wanted a sequel for spidey in 2019. I could see then probably bump inhumans to 2020. Then play around release dates for infinity 2 and marvel eith a spidry release.

Then if that happens. Inhumans takes one of the original 2020 slots and bumps one to 2021.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Well then, also if they do use Kraven they should totally and obviously use Tobey Maguire:

He has that face that just says that he has to restore his honor.

 

[I'm Venom]

As much as it feels like it's time for Venom to be done justice on the big screen, I think Spidey should get a full movie with the black suit and then have Venom come in the sequel, and I don't think the movie where he gets the suit should be the first one. Let's do something new and have a villain that Spider-Man has to find a way to defeat rather than making them an extension of Spidey. Go with the B-list. Then, I want the MCU's version of the original Secret Wars and Spidey getting the symbiote. It would also be neat if we got occasional cameos from low-tier villains, like Hypno Hustler, for a bit of action during the credits.

 

[Webhead2006]

I still rooting myself for kraven to go with oded ferh. Even since the mummy movies I thought he be a good pick. I'm venom I been picking that idea for ages now. To have a one off scene or montage scene toss in the lower tier guys for a fun gag montage. Folks we just need to be in a near comics suit we don't need to know backstory on and folks go wait wast that hypno hustler and white rabbit.

 

[ernesth100]

I think Spidey should fight the 6 with the blacksuit. For example-6 Assembles
-Spidey Get's Owned
-Spidey Escapes
-Peter Is Healing
-Six Is Going On Rampage
-Symbiote Gets On Peter
-Peter Beats The Ever Livin Hell Outta The 6


Just like SSM.

 

[AvegningSpider]

As much as it feels like it's time for Venom to be done justice on the big screen, I think Spidey should get a full movie with the black suit and then have Venom come in the sequel, and I don't think the movie where he gets the suit should be the first one. Let's do something new and have a villain that Spider-Man has to find a way to defeat rather than making them an extension of Spidey. Go with the B-list. Then, I want the MCU's version of the original Secret Wars and Spidey getting the symbiote. It would also be neat if we got occasional cameos from low-tier villains, like Hypno Hustler, for a bit of action during the credits.

First of, Spidey during Infinity War should get the Symbiote, people had said it before, it would mirror Spidey getting the suit during the Secret Wars.
Second, totally agree with the B-List, as much as i do want to see Mysterio, Kraven, Chameleon, Scorpion or Shocker, i wouldn't mind to see a B-List villain as the main villain (my signature explains it all).
The cameos....already said it, Hypno Hustler getting chastised in the radio or TV by the hosts because he wants to revive funk music played by Bruno Mars (he looked like Hypno Hustler in the Super Bowl, c'mon!)

I think Spidey should fight the 6 with the blacksuit. For example-6 Assembles
-Spidey Get's Owned
-Spidey Escapes
-Peter Is Healing
-Six Is Going On Rampage
-Symbiote Gets On Peter
-Peter Beats The Ever Livin Hell Outta The 6


Just like SSM.

AvegningSpider approves this message.

 

[Webhead2006]

I said before symbiote on infinity wars all counts on if the earth heroes go to space and face thanos somewhere in space. If they are in space then yes we should get symbiote as a unwanted guest who hitch a ride back to earth on spidey.

But if Thanos comes to earth for the two films. And the heroes never leave earth. Then I feel spidey should get iron spider suit. Or one of the many spider armor suits from conics. As a power up and more protection to go toe to toe with the mad titan.