Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 3

[PeterBenParker]

Didn't you have a MM avvy?^

Nope? From ones I remember having:

Vincent Martella
Freddie Highmore
A combination of Vincent/Freddie/Logan (top 3 during the infamous fan-cast wars)
Freddie Highmore again
Raimi Malek
DD/Punisher

And before those I had Spectacular avys and I think an Andrew Garfield Peter Parker one, but that's a stretch to remember.

Actually both are a problem for me. His accent is all wrong and I don't care for him as an actor.

Well, his accent wouldn't be present if he were to be Norman -- at least I'd hope not.

Well, preferences are preferences. To be honest, i myself have no problem with MM but i want Dominic West to be Norman.

I still don't have a pick.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Well, his accent wouldn't be present if he were to be Norman -- at least I'd hope not.

The thing is I never heard him NOT have his accent. And he has been around a long time.


You guys know my preference for Norman, but I'm open for whoever Marvel cast for the role. But I would be disappointed if McCaughaney were cast. Hopefully if that is the case he could prove me wrong.

 

[harryoscop]

The accent isn't a problem for me -- I just don't like MM as an actor in the same way I don't like Marisa Tomei as an actress.

 

[ernesth100]

Well everbody has wants. But in the end we'll get what we need.

 

[Webhead2006]

I def agree norman should be used long term. We see him slowly gain power and his shady deals for power and control. Over film 1 and 2. Then either by 3rd film he becomes the goblin or if they plan to do a dark reign/seige type story post infinity wars to play up norman rise to power. Him going nuts. Becomes the goblin and peter knowing and not trusting him. But can't prove it to world. To norman does himself in.

 

[The Overlord]

I don't want to come off as a broken record, but after rereading parts of Guardian Devil, I would say the psycho version of Mysterio I proposed is far less worse then the Mysterio that appeared in that story, the idea that Mysterio never murdered anyone is clearly false, he murdered a lot of people in that story.

I still think mind breaker Mysterio makes for a more menacing and compelling villain, then the generic baddie who is just a gimmick and nothing else, the mind breaker version at least gives Spidey a character arc, the generic bad guy version just seems like a far less menacing villain, with him trying to spending 50 million dollars in special effects to steal 100,000 dollars from a bank.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I don't want to come off as broken record, but after rereading parts of Guardian Devil, I would say the psycho version of Mysterio I proposed is far less worse then the Mysterio that appeared in that story, the idea that Mysterio never murdered anyone is clearly false, he murdered a lot of people in that story.

I still think mind breaker Mysterio makes for a more menacing and compelling villain, then the generic baddie who is just a gimmick and nothing else, the mind breaker version at least gives Spidey a character arc, the generic bad guy version just seems like a far less menacing villain, with him trying to spending 50 million dollars in special effects to steal 100,000 dollars from a bank.

Imagine that almost Shakesperean voice coming off a fishbowl creating images that so real to attack you.

 

[Webhead2006]

I still def want to see mysterio used in the mcu. What inspiration and take for him I don't know at this point what I want to see. But I have said before I def hope when or if he used to plus include cape and fishbowl design in some fashion. I would hate if he just an all black outfit like ultimate mysterio was.

 

[The Overlord]

I still def want to see mysterio used in the mcu. What inspiration and take for him I don't know at this point what I want to see. But I have said before I def hope when or if he used to plus include cape and fishbowl design in some fashion. I would hate if he just an all black outfit like ultimate mysterio was.

Didn't Ultimate Mysterio ultimately turn out to be a pawn of 616 Mysterio anyway? Plus I think the fish bowl head would be easier to do on screen (I kinda like the smoking head cool, but that seems like it would be more expensive then the fish bowl look, I would stick with fish bowl). I think you give his a normal costume a few tweeks and I think it would look decent on screen. I'm certainly not married to Mysterio's comic book costume, I think its decent, but not amazing. If someone could design a costume that kept the same theme, but improved upon it, I wouldn't be opposed to it. Mysterio's costume should be colorful and over the top, but I wonder if it could be made a bit more creepy and unsettling, show that he is both fun and over the top, but deeply dangerous as well.

I feel like if you don't Mysterio a fairly menacing personality, its easy for him to become some pathetic campy loser, like he is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1MZIU_feIk

I do think the first step to a menacing villain is giving him a personality to back up the menace.

 

[Webhead2006]

It was a avatar that 616 beck used. But point is I don't wsnt to see a all black suit for mysterio.

 

[AvegningSpider]

They could make flaming head Mysterio maybe when the fishbowl breaks.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I personally have no problem with MM's accent for Norman. Would go a long way to distinguish him.

And I still prefer bank robber Mysterio to mind torture Mysterio.

 

[ernesth100]

Why not just mix both mysterios. He's a bank robber capable of torturing minds.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Why not just mix both mysterios. He's a bank robber capable of torturing minds.

He's capable of that, but I don't think that should be his focus the first time around.

 

[ernesth100]

Of course not but still just putting the point out there.

 

[The Overlord]

I personally have no problem with MM's accent for Norman. Would go a long way to distinguish him.

And I still prefer bank robber Mysterio to mind torture Mysterio.

Bank robber Mysterio sounds like some lame campy Schumacher villain. How Mysterio supposed to be menacing if he spends 50 million dollars in special effects money to steal 100,000 dollars from a bank? It feels like writers have villains rob banks when they can't think of something more interesting for them to do,bank robbing is not the height of villainy.

Also if Mysterio is just some bank robber, how he unique from the likes of Shocker, Sandman, Electro, Rhino, Vulture, etc. What because his gimmick? Having half of Spidey villains be bank robbers makes them way less unique. We had campy Schumacher villains in the last Spidey movie, I want someone menacing this time.

Frankly I would make the campy personalty for Mysterio be a mask for a vicious and sadistic personality underneath, if all he has is the campy personality and nothing, he is going to come off as a campy Schumacher villain.

Also what are the stakes if Mysterio just robs banks the whole movie? What happens if Spider-Man fails to stop Mysterio from bank? Nothing really, the bank's insurance rate will go up and Mysterio will get away with some marked bills. Unless he is murdering the tellers and the customers, there is no reason to care, there should be no bank robberies in a Spidey film past Act 2, that should never be the climax of the film. Its on okay intro action scene for Spidey to stop a bank robbery, but you should move to bigger and better things from the villains as the film proceeds.

Mysterio trying to break Spidey's mind makes him unique and sets him apart from the other bank robbing villains out there, it makes for a truly unsympathetic villain, murderous mind breaker is more unsympathetic then a campy bank robber.

 

[Supa]

You know what could be cool?

If Mysterio makes an illusion of the some of the Chitauri from the Avengers. Not as a main threat, mind you, but a quick illusion of some of the speeders and the worm thing that Spidey has to fight. It'd make perfect sense as one of his illusions too, recreating the alien invasion as a distraction for whatever he's playing at.

 

[4thWallBreaker]

Mysterio would be cool.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

You know what could be cool?

If Mysterio makes an illusion of the some of the Chitauri from the Avengers. Not as a main threat, mind you, but a quick illusion of some of the speeders and the worm thing that Spidey has to fight. It'd make perfect sense as one of his illusions too, recreating the alien invasion as a distraction for whatever he's playing at.

This is the only idea regarding Mysterio that sounds really amazing, it's perfect!

 

[Batsfan1]

I think Lee Pace for Quentin Beck/Mysterio would work.

God bless you all! God bless everyone!

 

[Webhead2006]

for me i rather see doomed head for mysterio. Then maybe they could take the ultmate virtual head thing as something we see in the dome to it gets broken in final fight and we see beck true face. Wasnt pace already ronan i dont think he would want to play another villain in mcu again.

 

[Web-Head]

I think Lee Pace for Quentin Beck/Mysterio would work.

God bless you all! God bless everyone!

He was in Guardians

 

[CaptainWagner]

Bank robber Mysterio sounds like some lame campy Schumacher villain. How Mysterio supposed to be menacing if he spends 50 million dollars in special effects money to steal 100,000 dollars from a bank? It feels like writers have villains rob banks when they can't think of something more interesting for them to do,bank robbing is not the height of villainy.

Also if Mysterio is just some bank robber, how he unique from the likes of Shocker, Sandman, Electro, Rhino, Vulture, etc. What because his gimmick? Having half of Spidey villains be bank robbers makes them way less unique. We had campy Schumacher villains in the last Spidey movie, I want someone menacing this time.

Frankly I would make the campy personalty for Mysterio be a mask for a vicious and sadistic personality underneath, if all he has is the campy personality and nothing, he is going to come off as a campy Schumacher villain.

Also what are the stakes if Mysterio just robs banks the whole movie? What happens if Spider-Man fails to stop Mysterio from bank? Nothing really, the bank's insurance rate will go up and Mysterio will get away with some marked bills. Unless he is murdering the tellers and the customers, there is no reason to care, there should be no bank robberies in a Spidey film past Act 2, that should never be the climax of the film. Its on okay intro action scene for Spidey to stop a bank robbery, but you should move to bigger and better things from the villains as the film proceeds.

Mysterio trying to break Spidey's mind makes him unique and sets him apart from the other bank robbing villains out there, it makes for a truly unsympathetic villain, murderous mind breaker is more unsympathetic then a campy bank robber.

-Out of those other thieves you mentioned, only Mysterio is going to be carrying a solo film anytime soon. Having a villain who just wants money and fame is a big break from the high-faulting world conquerors and ideologues who showcase most superhero films. Plus, it sticks true to Spidey's small time origins.

And Mysterio doesn't just have to rob banks the whole movie. What if he gets hired to steal some new weapon prototype? What if he takes the whole city hostage with it?

 

[Webhead2006]

ya i brought this up before we know kevin has said that he doesnt want this film to be another lets detroy the city and end of the world story but a more smaller scale story like antman was and more of the angle of the issues of being a hero and a kid for peter. So we have to think what villain would work best with the peter stuff they want to do this time.

 

[Majik1387]

He's Ronan.