Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 3

[Mike Murdock]

If it's just his voice, it could work, but, yeah, he'd still be recognizable as Ronan.

 

[The Overlord]

ya i brought this up before we know kevin has said that he doesnt want this film to be another lets detroy the city and end of the world story but a more smaller scale story like antman was and more of the angle of the issues of being a hero and a kid for peter. So we have to think what villain would work best with the peter stuff they want to do this time.

Mysterio trying to drive Spider-Man mad and make his name by trying to kill dozens of people, isn't a scheme to destroy the city is it? But it does provide higher stakes then Spidey trying to provide some bank having to pay a higher insurance rate doesn't it?

Kilgrave, TDK Joker and Ajax were not trying to destroy cities, but they were clearly worse then just petty thieves, a super hero's first duty is protect human life, stopping murderers seems far more important then stopping a mere thief.

-Out of those other thieves you mentioned, only Mysterio is going to be carrying a solo film anytime soon. Having a villain who just wants money and fame is a big break from the high-faulting world conquerors and ideologues who showcase most superhero films. Plus, it sticks true to Spidey's small time origins.

And Mysterio doesn't just have to rob banks the whole movie. What if he gets hired to steal some new weapon prototype? What if he takes the whole city hostage with it?

Take Mysterio's talent for mind games away and you take away his trump card, one he has played often, heck he tried to convince Spidey he was going insane in his second appearance back in the Silver Age.

Mysterio should practice asymmetrical warfare, attack Spidey's weakest point (his mind), rather then trying to out muscle him and attack his body. Any villain can steal a weapon prototype, how many could really mess with Spidey's head, maybe him and Gobby, that is about it.

Plus how is Mysterio supposed to make as a theif, look at any big budget movie, special effects are expensive, he would operate at a loss as a thief. Frankly I think it makes more sense if he is a fame obessed psychopath who doesn't really care about money and doesn't care about operating at loss, because his M.O would not make for a very profitable thief.

 

[Batsfan1]

He was in Guardians

Enver Gjoak was in The Avengers.

If it's just his voice, it could work, but, yeah, he'd still be recognizable as Ronan.

Without blue face paint and downplaying his physical size, he's barely recognizable.

God bless you both! God bless everyone!

 

[Mike Murdock]

Enver Gjoak is hardly comparable. It was an extremely minor role and he then moved to a TV show that, unfortunately, nobody watched. It's easy to justify the similarity of appearance anyway because you could say one is the ancestor of the other.

Although, [BLACKOUT]that might theoretically make that cop Peggy Carter's grandson, which would be an unexpected twist[/BLACKOUT].

 

[fixxxer]

^

I had the exact same thought today. [BLACKOUT]THAT COP IN AVENGERS IS PEGGY'S GRANDSON! CONFIRMED![/BLACKOUT]

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Enver Gjoak was in The Avengers.

Eh, I just say that cop was a nephew or great nephew of Sousa's.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Spoiler

Mysterio trying to drive Spider-Man mad and make his name by trying to kill dozens of people, isn't a scheme to destroy the city is it? But it does provide higher stakes then Spidey trying to provide some bank having to pay a higher insurance rate doesn't it?

Kilgrave, TDK Joker and Ajax were not trying to destroy cities, but they were clearly worse then just petty thieves, a super hero's first duty is protect human life, stopping murderers seems far more important then stopping a mere thief.



Take Mysterio's talent for mind games away and you take away his trump card, one he has played often, heck he tried to convince Spidey he was going insane in his second appearance back in the Silver Age.

Mysterio should practice asymmetrical warfare, attack Spidey's weakest point (his mind), rather then trying to out muscle him and attack his body. Any villain can steal a weapon prototype, how many could really mess with Spidey's head, maybe him and Gobby, that is about it.

Plus how is Mysterio supposed to make as a theif, look at any big budget movie, special effects are expensive, he would operate at a loss as a thief. Frankly I think it makes more sense if he is a fame obessed psychopath who doesn't really care about money and doesn't care about operating at loss, because his M.O would not make for a very profitable thief.

I don't fully disagree with everything you're saying general you bring up some good points, but, I find this statement kind of ironic... if he's a thief he'd just be stealing his special effect equipment/tech, theif's don't pay for things out of pocket

that's like saying robbing a bank would be to expensive cause you have to buy a get-a-way car

 

[Webhead2006]

With mysterio whet if they mix a few things up he was a thief maybe after a failed movie career. Toss in a little of that mind whammy stuff from the comics and dd story and play off using all those elements.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I say they should make Mysterio a guy that just wants to be recognized, he is a film special effects artist (and taking in count what he does as a supervillain) a quite good one, maybe they could something like he gets fired during a elaborate scene in a movie that was using some practical things, Spider-Man passed arround the set (chasing someone, a misunderstanding) and Beck thinks that it's Spidey's fault that he got fired, since he is so hungry for being recognized by the big men on the cinema world.

 

[Eddie]

I've got five bucks that says they're not using Venom in this one! Any takers?

 

[The Joker]

I've got five bucks that says they're not using Venom in this one! Any takers?

Now what could have given you a crazy idea like that?

 

[Webhead2006]

I still doubt sony will get the film off the ground. It likely just sit in writing stage for yrs just like the post Sm 3 and asm venom solo films where.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I've got five bucks that says they're not using Venom in this one! Any takers?

I'll put down $10 that they won't use Carnage in the MCU Spider-Man movies.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I'll put down $10 that they won't use Carnage in the MCU Spider-Man movies.

I play 50 pesos that both Carnage and Venom don't appear.

 

[The Overlord]

I don't fully disagree with everything you're saying general you bring up some good points, but, I find this statement kind of ironic... if he's a thief he'd just be stealing his special effect equipment/tech, theif's don't pay for things out of pocket

that's like saying robbing a bank would be to expensive cause you have to buy a get-a-way car

Now see here is the bigger problem, if Mysterio is such a great special effects wizard, he can create realistic illusions that would fool people in the real world, why would he give all that up and rob banks? It seems like his special effects career would be more profitable then petty thievery ever would and if he is that good at special effects, there is no reason his career should be failing.

There is only one good answer to that question, that profit is not his motive, that he commits crimes for fun and self aggrandizement.

If Mysterio is just some impulsive psychopath, he could have been unhappy that the actors and the directors were becoming famous, while he remained obscure. He then could have embezzled from the film studio he worked at and arranged an "accident" for the studio execs that he believes deny him his fame. Maybe Beck even faked his death, so to avoid arrest for theft and murder.

With the money he stole from the studio, Mysterio has the resources to embark on his career and plans to make his name and become famous, by completely destroying Spider-Man, in mind and body.

Mysterio can rob banks, but its not for profits, its just a phase in master plan , the first act in his demented screen plan of terror and murder.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Mystero fan here. I prefer him having some kind of magic source or something. I believe the movie special effects is dated.

I feel having him make illusions out of magic makes much more sense. You could even have him be sort of a magician who can't find work. No one in NYC is hiring him. He's used his powers solely for money (which Spidey did at first) and now people are sort of done with him. He sees all the love people give this Spider-Man & decides to try the villain act. Have big illusions in NYC fighting the Spider. Imagine an illusion of King Kong or Stay Puft Marshmallow Man (since both took place in NYC & you got Sony Ghostbusters product placement there) fighting the Spider.

I just feel Mysterio spending his time with movie special effects feels too much like Chameleon. I've always felt Chameleon to be a very practical guy. A Macguver of sorts. He did after all build robots of Peter's parents. Why would Mysterio make robots & rob banks with said robots like dude you just built a robot. Meanwhile Mysterio is much more about entertainment. Him being an out of work magician fits in with him being a out of work special effects guy.

I love Mysterio, maybe it's me but I just feel him having & learning magic stuff like the stuff of Dr Strange to pull off illusions & using that power to make money (Excellent foil for Spider-Man) makes the character be more creative & free. I just feel that while I love Mysterio, he is a villain who needs a reinvention a bit in terms of backstory.

 

[First Avenger]

I've got five bucks that says they're not using Venom in this one! Any takers?

Thank God for that.

 

[Eddie]

Making Mysterio a bit of an illusionist is one of my personal reasons for pulling for Neil Patrick Harris for the character. It would be true to the character while not simply being all about film style effects.

 

[ernesth100]

Mysterio, Kraven or Vulture. It's going to be one of those three. Maybe Doc Ock since he's also a huge fan favorite.

 

[Oscorp]

Mystero fan here. I prefer him having some kind of magic source or something. I believe the movie special effects is dated.

I feel having him make illusions out of magic makes much more sense. You could even have him be sort of a magician who can't find work. No one in NYC is hiring him. He's used his powers solely for money (which Spidey did at first) and now people are sort of done with him. He sees all the love people give this Spider-Man & decides to try the villain act. Have big illusions in NYC fighting the Spider. Imagine an illusion of King Kong or Stay Puft Marshmallow Man (since both took place in NYC & you got Sony Ghostbusters product placement there) fighting the Spider.

I just feel Mysterio spending his time with movie special effects feels too much like Chameleon. I've always felt Chameleon to be a very practical guy. A Macguver of sorts. He did after all build robots of Peter's parents. Why would Mysterio make robots & rob banks with said robots like dude you just built a robot. Meanwhile Mysterio is much more about entertainment. Him being an out of work magician fits in with him being a out of work special effects guy.

I love Mysterio, maybe it's me but I just feel him having & learning magic stuff like the stuff of Dr Strange to pull off illusions & using that power to make money (Excellent foil for Spider-Man) makes the character be more creative & free. I just feel that while I love Mysterio, he is a villain who needs a reinvention a bit in terms of backstory.

Part of the charm of Mysterio in my opinion is that he's smart enough to actually create those things without real super powers. Not to bash on your ideas (to each their own, you know), but I wouldn't be a fan of this.

There needs to be a solid explanation for HOW he creates those machines and holograms though. I think it needs to be like Quentin creates it and comes up with all the ideas, but someone very rich finances it. Because I can't picture Quentin himself being such a rich dude.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Mystero fan here. I prefer him having some kind of magic source or something. I believe the movie special effects is dated.

To me, magic undercuts the character. It makes him someone completely different. Both have a risk of coming off cheesy, but it's a different kind of cheesy that doesn't fit as easily in Spider-Man's world, which is a world of science.

Make him a practical effects guy who lost his job to CGI. That would feel very timely in today's world.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Make him a practical effects guy who lost his job to CGI. That would feel very timely in today's world.

As someone who's not a Mysterio fan, I'd actually like to see that.

 

[Webhead2006]

i wouldnt want mysterio to be turned into a magical/mystic guy there is no need for that and tech and what not is a big deal in the mcu so techy guys is more likely folks we bound to see them magical guys as the magic side is only starting to get defined and what not.

 

[Eddie]

This type of "magic" would make a lot of sense:

This magic would be too much:

 

[Webhead2006]

Well they could always say beck started out as a illusionist then went to career in film. That failed for x reasons. And he takes his skills from both and comes up with mysterio gimmick for what ever crazy plans he has.