Justice League Who Should Be The Villain?

[erehwon0]

I picture something like this:

Also, I think Starro could be suitable villain, as it can potentially compromise one or a few of the league members and pit them against innocent people/the rest of the league (giving us our WW vs Superman fight, etc). Perhaps they officially form the league at the end not only to show the world that they are keeping them safe from the forces out in the universe, but from each other as well. (and for Supes, perhaps at the end, Supes can give Bats kryptonite, the only thing that could stop him in case he ever turns rogue).

I also think you can tie Starro with Atlantis, who appear to be the main antagonists throughout. Have it revealed that Arthur is not controlling the giant kraken, but rather that the kraken is Starro, and that it is controlling him.

I like that idea that Starro would be hidden in the depths of the ocean! Was he there for a long time? Recently awoken by the Atlanteans or did he somehow avoid detection and just snuck in somehow? Anyway it could be a great start, Atlantis being the first nation? he invades.

Also I just want to see the rest of the league try to stand up to a possessed Superman! I would pay to see that! Imagine the trailer where Batman is trying to get Superman's attention. Bats is moving forward towards Supes while Supes has his back towards Bats. Bats: "Superman, we need to get a hold of the situation in Metropolis." No answer. Batman moves closer, his body language shows the urgency of the situation. "Superman we need to go! The situation is getting out of hand!" Batman reaches for Superman's shoulder "Clark! We need..." Superman turns and there's a Starro creature writhing on his face. Batman turns and starts running... A slightly altered Superman's voice calmly says " You have nowhere to hide from me!" t:

But the problem is I think the only ones capable of taking down Superman at this point is either Captain Marvel or Zatanna/John Constantine. Although that would be a great way to introduce Justice League Dark!

 

[Rorschach2012]

Martian Manhunter could take down Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern probably could too with kryptonite

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I like that idea that Starro would be hidden in the depths of the ocean! Was he there for a long time? Recently awoken by the Atlanteans or did he somehow avoid detection and just snuck in somehow? Anyway it could be a great start, Atlantis being the first nation? he invades.

I like the idea that he's been there for a longggggg time (Perhaps from the time of the Old Gods. Perhaps there's some link / a reason for his awakening that will be revealed in a later movie?)

Also I just want to see the rest of the league try to stand up to a possessed Superman! I would pay to see that! Imagine the trailer where Batman is trying to get Superman's attention. Bats is moving forward towards Supes while Supes has his back towards Bats. Bats: "Superman, we need to get a hold of the situation in Metropolis." No answer. Batman moves closer, his body language shows the urgency of the situation. "Superman we need to go! The situation is getting out of hand!" Batman reaches for Superman's shoulder "Clark! We need..." Superman turns and there's a Starro creature writhing on his face. Batman turns and starts running... A slightly altered Superman's voice calmly says " You have nowhere to hide from me!" t:

But the problem is I think the only ones capable of taking down Superman at this point is either Captain Marvel or Zatanna/John Constantine. Although that would be a great way to introduce Justice League Dark!

haha, awesome. Prometheus style squids is totally the way to go, I agree.

Having Starro is definitely an awesome way to get some hero vs hero action scenes. (plus a Supes/Flash chase)

Supes being compromised would be awesome. A huge oh ***** moment, where the world is all of a sudden in a lot of danger. (perhaps in the denouement of the movie he gives Bruce a vial of kryptonite as a sign of trust, in case it ever happens again; followed by the most epic handshake in cinema history. And if Kryptonite hasn't been introduced yet, perhaps he leaves Earth feeling that he is a danger to everyone, and in the next solo movie he journeys to krypton, discovering kryptonite, his weakness, which comes as a curse/blessing to him, allowing him to return to Earth knowing that there is a failsafe, giving himself a second shot. And of course he gives it to Bruce. The only man he fully trusts).

 

[Boom]

I picture something like this:

Also, I think Starro could be suitable villain, as it can potentially compromise one or a few of the league members and pit them against innocent people/the rest of the league (giving us our WW vs Superman fight, etc). Perhaps they officially form the league at the end not only to show the world that they are keeping them safe from the forces out in the universe, but from each other as well. (and for Supes, perhaps at the end, Supes can give Bats kryptonite, the only thing that could stop him in case he ever turns rogue).

I also think you can tie Starro with Atlantis, who appear to be the main antagonists throughout. Have it revealed that Arthur is not controlling the giant kraken, but rather that the kraken is Starro, and that it is controlling him.

You've won me over to Starro.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

If they want to go for a mind-control angle, either Starro or Despero could do the job.

 

[Pickleweasel]

No starro there will be no getting over the fact that he is basically a starfish

 

[erehwon0]

If they want to go for a mind-control angle, either Starro or Despero could do the job.

Except Starro has the little starfishes that can exploit a horror type vibe and he can control a lot more people than Despero.

Imagine if you will this scenario: Superman returns to Metropolis from a rescue overseas. Metrolopolis if deathly quiet, except for a single sound of heartbeat and breathing. Except its not one person its the entire city breathing at the same time, hearts beating at the same time. He sees people, hundreds of them standing on the edges of all the buildings in Metropolis. All of them jump at the same time. Superman manages to save a couple of hundred people but loses several more. He also notices that they all have creatures attached to their faces and upon closer inspection, have tendrils in contact with their brains!

Those he saves seem to be physically okay except they seem to act like a single individual rather than individuals. He hears Lois call him and he rushes to where she is. He scans her location. She isn't alone. There are several individuals with guns pointed to others within that area. Lois tells him to do nothing and just come and speak with "them". Once there, Lois also has the creature on her face as well as all the others. She tells him about Starro or the "Master" and he has to surrender or more will die. She tells him that there are other locations with the same situation all over the city. He scans the entire city and sees that this to be true. To make his point more clear he has all the people in one location shoot each other. "You monster!" he says. But realizes that he doesn't have a choice, so he surrenders.

So yeah. Starro is "just a starfish".

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

No starro there will be no getting over the fact that he is basically a starfish

You were saying...

 

[smallville fan]

Except Starro has the little starfishes that can exploit a horror type vibe and he can control a lot more people than Despero.

Imagine if you will this scenario: Superman returns to Metropolis from a rescue overseas. Metrolopolis if deathly quiet, except for a single sound of heartbeat and breathing. Except its not one person its the entire city breathing at the same time, hearts beating at the same time. He sees people, hundreds of them standing on the edges of all the buildings in Metropolis. All of them jump at the same time. Superman manages to save a couple of hundred people but loses several more. He also notices that they all have creatures attached to their faces and upon closer inspection, have tendrils in contact with their brains!

Those he saves seem to be physically okay except they seem to act like a single individual rather than individuals. He hears Lois call him and he rushes to where she is. He scans her location. She isn't alone. There are several individuals with guns pointed to others within that area. Lois tells him to do nothing and just come and speak with "them". Once there, Lois also has the creature on her face as well as all the others. She tells him about Starro or the "Master" and he has to surrender or more will die. She tells him that there are other locations with the same situation all over the city. He scans the entire city and sees that this to be true. To make his point more clear he has all the people in one location shoot each other. "You monster!" he says. But realizes that he doesn't have a choice, so he surrenders.

So yeah. Starro is "just a starfish".

I'd be down for this.

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

Everything mentioned here about Starro sounds great! Haven't decided who'd be the best for the second movie but definitely Darkseid for movie 3.

 

[NosfeRomas]

The argument over Starro being "just a starfish" is pretty ridicoulus. The amount of Lovecraftian elements you can add to a movie with Starro as a villain are so many that get me excited just by thinking about them. I'm having the weirdest ***** right now.

 

[DChero]

I've never really been into the Starro angle. Isn't the mind control element of the Avengers one of the most criticized? I think that they need a physical threat. I'd lead with Darkseid. I'm not even sure that a Justice League sequel will even be needed.

To me, it's more of an event project, not a series. They don't all need to be sitting in a space station until the world needs saving, that ruins all future individual movies. We need a story to bring them together. I'd treat it as a one-off. If it works, they can build up to another. With this industry, I wouldn't hold anything back because there are no sure sequels.

 

[The Batmann]

I think benedict should come in justice league as martian manhunter not brainiac and the villians for jla one could be the injustice league being lex luthor joker sinestro penguin felix faust mr element dr light catwoman chronos black manta and agamemno and they could put in people like grodd ultra humanite circe grundy and others like vandall savage darkseid brainac for sequels

 

[sahin]

For the first Movie i'd choose Brainiac or/and Starro.
For the second one definetly Darkseid.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I've never really been into the Starro angle. Isn't the mind control element of the Avengers one of the most criticized? I think that they need a physical threat. I'd lead with Darkseid. I'm not even sure that a Justice League sequel will even be needed.

To me, it's more of an event project, not a series. They don't all need to be sitting in a space station until the world needs saving, that ruins all future individual movies. We need a story to bring them together. I'd treat it as a one-off. If it works, they can build up to another. With this industry, I wouldn't hold anything back because there are no sure sequels.

Starro isn't just mind control. He doesn't make you do what he wants, you just become him. He's like Darkseid. If WB wanted to go a LotR route for Justice League, the could first face off against Starro the Conqueror, giving the Justice League there battle against their iconic first villain. Then, as he is driven offworld, he is found by Darkseid, who has discovered that Starro's tap into Anti-Life, and therefore, its secrets lie on Earth setting up a Darkseid two-parter.

 

[DChero]

Starro isn't just mind control. He doesn't make you do what he wants, you just become him. He's like Darkseid. If WB wanted to go a LotR route for Justice League, the could first face off against Starro the Conqueror, giving the Justice League there battle against their iconic first villain. Then, as he is driven offworld, he is found by Darkseid, who has discovered that Starro's tap into Anti-Life, and therefore, its secrets lie on Earth setting up a Darkseid two-parter.

The problem that I have is that sequels are never guaranteed. I don't like the idea of holding back at all. In my opinion, Darkseid should be the villain int he first. If a second happens, figure it out then. Architecting a 'universe' isn't just about planning sequels, it's about producing movies that produce them.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

That's why I said if they go the LotR route. Where sequels are guaranteed.

 

[DChero]

That's why I said if they go the LotR route. Where sequels are guaranteed.

I'd love that, but I don't know if that could ever be greenlit. It's a lot of money to invest at once.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

It's definitely a lot to invest at once, probably around $350 million production budget, however, it definitely is less than $650 million. It would certainly maximise profits too.

 

[SlamAdams]

The LOTR route hasn't really worked for any other movie.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Pirates of the Caribbean DMC & AWE
Superman I & II
Harry Potter DH I & II
Twilight BD I & II
The Hobbit

 

[DChero]

It's definitely a lot to invest at once, probably around $350 million production budget, however, it definitely is less than $650 million. It would certainly maximise profits too.

Very good point. Okay, I'm on board. I feel like going the route of a 2-3 picture epic with the new gods would be ideal because of everything involved. Assuming that Brainiac is the villain in MoS 2, it leaves Doomsday and Darkseid as the most notable physical threats to Superman.

 

[SlamAdams]

Pirates of the Caribbean DMC & AWE
Superman I & II
Harry Potter DH I & II
Twilight BD I & II
The Hobbit

Pirates of the Caribbean is a perfect example of how it fails. It might have made money, but they completely lost sight of what made the first good and convoluted the story. Harry Potter and Twilight shouldn't count. that's more like one movie they decided to edit into 2. I hope to god they don't try that. And The Hobbit is one movie edited into 3, even ****ing worse. Superman II got lucky. If I remember correctly, there was some bad behind the scenes drama wasn't there?

Everytime there is a successful blockbuster, the advice people always have for sequels is do as many as you can in the least time as possible. I don't know why that necessarily makes more sense than taking the time to do it right. Either could be successful but I would be 1000x more comfortable with a slower approach.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Pirates of the Caribbean is a perfect example of how it fails. It might have made money, but they completely lost sight of what made the first good and convoluted the story.

Made money=successful= did work.

Harry Potter and Twilight shouldn't count. that's more like one movie they decided to edit into 2. I hope to god they don't try that. And The Hobbit is one movie edited into 3, even ****ing worse. Superman II got lucky. If I remember correctly, there was some bad behind the scenes drama wasn't there?

One film being edited into more than one is exactly what the "LotR method is". Lord of the Rings is a single triptych, in both literature and film released in three instalments. They aren't true sequels.

Everytime there is a successful blockbuster, the advice people always have for sequels is do as many as you can in the least time as possible. I don't know why that necessarily makes more sense than taking the time to do it right. Either could be successful but I would be 1000x more comfortable with a slower approach.

Why not slowly make one epic film, released in three instalments, with no sequels?

Benefits:
Singular coherent storyline
Actor's guaranteed in all three releases
Cheaper
Massive profit boost-

TDKT budget- $565 million TDKT gross- $2.45 billion TDKT profit- $565 million*

LotR budget- $280 million- LotR gross- $2.92 billion Lotr profit- $1.2 billion*

*not including marketing costs and using rough cinema shares

Downsides:
If one film is bad, likely all are
Huge investments at once (Justice League would likely cost $350 million)

 

[SlamAdams]

Made money=successful= did work.

I literally agreed that they made money. But that doesn't matter to me when they are **** movies. If the DC movies are made back to back and make **** ton of movies but have the same quality as POTC sequels, I will also say it doesn't work.

One film being edited into more than one is exactly what the "LotR method is". Lord of the Rings is a single triptych, in both literature and film released in three instalments. They aren't true sequels.

Well, I'm not going to argue the semantics of sequels. LOTR was 3 books turned into 3 movies. Makes sense. Those others were 1 book turned into multiple movies. Completely unnecessary. I didn't see Breaking Dawn, but Hobbit and Harry Potter were chalk full of unnecessary things.

Why not slowly make one epic film, released in three instalments, with no sequels?

Benefits:
Singular coherent storyline
Actor's guaranteed in all three releases
Cheaper
Massive profit boost-

TDKT budget- $565 million TDKT gross- $2.45 billion TDKT profit- $565 million*

LotR budget- $280 million- LotR gross- $2.92 billion Lotr profit- $1.2 billion*

*not including marketing costs and using rough cinema shares

Downsides:
If one film is bad, likely all are
Huge investments at once (Justice League would likely cost $350 million)

These things aren't exclusive. Movies made back-to-back can still have coherency issues, casting problems, bloated budgets, and ****** movies as a result. And of course, LOTR is the shining example, its why so many followed in its footsteps, but I have seen nothing that says it is a MUST for franchise filmmaking, especially as an audience member who has been constantly let down by the quality of the work despite whatever box office results they have.