Sequels Who should lead a movie Sinister Six?

[The Joker]

The thing is the Spider-man trilogy thus far has stuck with a realistic approach

Realistic approach to what??

We have alien symbiotes, men made of living sand, tentacled psychos, and green plastic clad business men on gliders.

There is no realism in these movies. They're based off a world of pure fantasy. To cry foul if Ock was ressurrected, when he still has a body intact, and was only seen sinking into the water, and not impaled in the crotch or chest, or blown up into a skeleton, would be silly.

 

[TwilightPro101]

Thanks Gold Goblin, my thoughts exactly.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They would be tough. How many times could he realistically fight them? 1 or 2 villains are expensive, and 3 practically broke the bank in SM3, so what would 6 do? You would have to have one long fight for them to work realistically with one villain who becomes a member later in the movie acting as the first half of the movie's threat before the SS get involved (someone like Electro I would suggest). The first half would have to show the team finish being formed, and have one villain carry it for a while.

That is how they would have to work. Any other way runs the risk of them being far too expensive.

EDIT- Sandman could easily be forced into the team. He still has a sick daughter who could either A- be dying and need money FAST, or B- kidnapped.

 

[TwilightPro101]

Realistic approach to what??

We have alien symbiotes, men made of living sand, tentacled psychos, and green plastic clad business men on gliders.

There is no realism in these movies. They're based off a world of pure fantasy. To cry foul if Ock was ressurrected, when he still has a body intact, and was only seen sinking into the water, and not impaled in the crotch or chest, or blown up into a skeleton, would be silly.

The realism is in the relationships of the characters and family and friends. Something that has always been a part of the comics, but on the big screen Sam has brought it to the focus of Peter/Mary and that relationship. Each fight with a villian symbolizes or ties into some kind of aspect of Peter's life. Doc Ock was an influence on Peter and served an impact to Peter's relationship with Mary Jane. It was more or less a wake-up call to watch himself and be aware of what it is he has.

The fanasty element is a given. It's a comic book movie, but you have to understand the way the producers and Sam are thinking. If you bring back Ock, it might as well be James Cameron's draft all over again.

 

[The Joker]

The realism is in the relationships of the characters and family and friends.

Yes, and that wouldn't be lost. If Harry Osborn can have amnesia, so could Ock. Or brain damage. It's been done in the comic books.

If you bring back Ock, it might as well be James Cameron's draft all over again.

Rather overly dramatic of you

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yes, and that wouldn't be lost. If Harry Osborn can have amnesia, so could Ock. Or brain damage. It's been done in the comic books.

Coming to think of it, maybe you could have his exposure to the river the fusion sun sank in cause him to go insane.

Maybe Ock could work. However, I would have one member of the team question his authority (leading to their downfall).

 

[TwilightPro101]

Drowned. Dead.

Sorry, but it really does ruin what Spider-man 2 brought forth if they bring Ock back. Besides, he redeemed himself in the movie in the end.

The movies aren't the comics. It's not like Ultimate Spider-man, where you can turn around bring back a character on a long turn basis. Raimi let Ock make his point and he did so by realizing his actions. To turn around and bring him back and make him the villian again basically makes Spider-man 2 a waste of the character.

We'd have better odds having Venom back. Just not as Eddie Brock since there was actual evidence of the symbiote remaining.

 

[Matt.S99]

i want to read camerons draft, does anyone know where i can read it?

 

[TwilightPro101]

Think there's one up at Simply Scripts still, if they haven't gone through another revamp.

 

[The Joker]

Drowned. Dead.

Sam Raimi, Avi Arad, and Alfred Molina disagree with you

We'd have better odds having Venom back. Just not as Eddie Brock since there was actual evidence of the symbiote remaining.

If Sam Raimi is at the helm for future sequals, then you've a better chance of the Rhino leading the Six, than Sam using another symbiote villain again.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Drowned. Dead.

Sorry, but it really does ruin what Spider-man 2 brought forth if they bring Ock back. Besides, he redeemed himself in the movie in the end.

The movies aren't the comics. It's not like Ultimate Spider-man, where you can turn around bring back a character on a long turn basis. Raimi let Ock make his point and he did so by realizing his actions. To turn around and bring him back and make him the villian again basically makes Spider-man 2 a waste of the character.

We'd have better odds having Venom back. Just not as Eddie Brock since there was actual evidence of the symbiote remaining.

I disagree with this. To me, one movie doesn't ruin another. I can watch the original Star Wars trilogy, and not think about the prequels. Same goes for Ock coming back in a SS story. SM2 will still stand on its own no matter what. Just like bringing back Sandman doesn't ruin SM3.

Bringing back Osborn, yeah unrealistic, but Ock never had a body. That is a bit more realistic.

 

[TwilightPro101]

I've never read anywhere where Sam and Alfred have said otherwise.

If you can cite some actual evidence I'd like to see as such.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I've never read anywhere where Sam and Alfred have said otherwise.

If you can cite some actual evidence I'd like to see as such.

Actually, I think Ock's right. He said in an interview (Molina did) that Sam asked if he would do another one of these movies. Don't rememebr where that was, but I remember that in an interview.

 

[The Joker]

I've never read anywhere where Sam and Alfred have said otherwise.

If you can cite some actual evidence I'd like to see as such.

It was in an interview in Empire magazine a couple of years ago. Ask around, several of the posters here saw it posted.

I'd dig up the thread for you, but the Hype's archives have been deleted up to 2005/2006.

 

[TwilightPro101]

I disagree with this. To me, one movie doesn't ruin another. I can watch the original Star Wars trilogy, and not think about the prequels. Same goes for Ock coming back in a SS story. SM2 will still stand on its own no matter what. Just like bringing back Sandman doesn't ruin SM3.

Bringing back Osborn, yeah unrealistic, but Ock never had a body. That is a bit more realistic.

Bringing Norman Osborn was in the fashion of the comic book, but it was either a creation of Harry's mind or the exposure to the serum.

The problem I have with the concept is it takes away from the impact of the film. Sam's movies act on one another and have consequence after. It's always about the emotional (there are small exceptions) but they never really step away from the emotional focus of the story: Peter's relationships.

 

[TwilightPro101]

It was in an interview in Empire magazine a couple of years ago. Ask around, several of the posters here saw it posted.

I'd dig up the thread for you, but the Hype's archives have been deleted up to 2005/2006.

So I'm suppose to believe word of mouth here. Physical evidence is the key.

 

[The Joker]

Actually, I think Ock's right. He said in an interview (Molina did) that Sam asked if he would do another one of these movies. Don't rememebr where that was, but I remember that in an interview.

Yes, that's the one. Alfred said he was asked if he'd like to do another one, and he said he'd love to, then asked if his character dies. Raimi and Arad told him he doesn't die, he just disappears.

 

[The Joker]

So I'm suppose to believe word of mouth here. Physical evidence is the key.

No offence, but I couldn't care less what you believe. I'm just telling you what I know.

Believe what you like. It matters not to me.

 

[TwilightPro101]

All I was seeking actual evidence on the interview. Thank you. Something that should be simple to provide if you know what I mean.

Belief isn't the matter in the situation.

 

[The Joker]

All I was seeking actual evidence on the interview. Thank you. Something that should be simple to provide if you know what I mean.

Belief isn't the matter in the situation.

And I explained to you where the info came from. I was not asking nor expecting you to believe me. Just answering your querey for you.

That's all.

 

[TwilightPro101]

And thank you for that. I'll do some digging for those sources.

 

[Visionary]

Let me just say, there's no way in hell I want to see a Sinister Six for SM4...or SM5.

Anyway, there's a question that keeps coming up, how do Spider-Man fight 6 villains, when it's hard to fight 1. That's easy, after Spidey gets his ass kicked, he decides that it's better to take them out one by one...untill it's just him a Doc Ock.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Let me just say, there's no way in hell I want to see a Sinister Six for SM4...or SM5.

Anyway, there's a question that keeps coming up, how do Spider-Man fight 6 villains, when it's hard to fight 1. That's easy, after Spidey gets his ass kicked, he decides that it's better to take them out one by one...untill it's just him a Doc Ock.

I am not saying that, I am saying how can you afford 6 villains plus Spider-Man? Thats my worry. Heck, I outlined a way how the SS could be defeated in another thread.

My answer, just one long battle with the Sinister Six. The rest is their formation and one cheaper member (like Electro) getting added last and carrying the first act of the movie.

 

[sauronthegreat]

I think it would destroy Spider-Man 2 as a film by returning Octopus. He was well developed throughout the film and honored his character in the end. The last scene with him was tragic, dramatic and fantastic. Sandman in the other hand doesn't need to come back, but if he does it will not make a big difference and an impact like would Ock's return. Maybe make his character more rich than it was.
After the death of his daughter he will lose any control of himself and would not care for the consequences. Now Sinister Six, if ever made, will make an interesting film. All members are B-villains and after the Green Goblin, Octopus, and Venom Spider-Man must face a greater challenge, and what better than six B-villains in one team. In my opinion the best combination of the Six would be: Scorpion, Electro, Mysterio, Vulture, Sandman and Kraven or Chamelion. Also I would like the Six to be created for the sole purpose to destroy Spider-Man like Scorpion was, but that to apply to all of them. Like some kind of experiment by the Kingpin and Jameson. That way they would explain the origin stories of all of them. Maybe they should introduce the Kingpin as a character that will appear in every film from now on, like his appearance in the animated series. Until the last film where his character will come to a resolution with the two Goblins (we must have them in the final film).

 

[The Joker]

I can't wait for Ock to come back and lead the Sinister Six.