Homecoming Who should reboot villain be? (Poll Version)

[ernesth100]

You think if they went with Morbius they could have a Spider-Man/Blade Team Up.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I always envisioned a Kraven and Lizard villain combo for a movie... the storyline would go that Curt Connors does his experimenting with the Lizard formula with the usual tragic result happening with the Lizard emerging and causing panic among the general public at night... the situation is all out of control with the police and Spider-Man unable to apprehend the Lizard... the situation is so bad that the world-famous animal tracker and expert, Sergei Kravinoff has to be called in to assist with the tracking and locating of the Lizard, thereby enabling Spider-Man to capture him... while Kravinoff is involved in tracking the Lizard down, he comes upon Connors' laboratory, upon which Kravinoff discovers some of the Lizard formula... as Kravinoff analyzes the serum, he is attacked by the Lizard, who has returned to the laboratory for the Lizard serum to use for his own purposes... Kraven is known for using his own jungle herbs and potions to enhance his tracking abilities and augment his strength... somehow during the confrontation, the serum is either ingested or injected into Kraven, intermingling with Kraven's own potions, mutating and augmenting his already strengthened body with amimal-like ferocity and inhuman strength, thereby creating a double menace that Peter Parker must deal with as a scientist and Spider-Man must deal with as a hero... the movie would go on with the Lizard escaping and Kraven going on a Lizard-hunt... Spider-Man eventually would at first meet and try to deal with each individual villain but would wind up with both villains escaping after getting his ass kicked by each one individually... the movie would continue with Kraven finally tracking down the Lizard and the eventual battle between Kraven and the Lizard... and I'm talking a FEROCIOUS battle between the two that causes some severe destruction... and the confrontation could take place on the streets, on the sides of buildings and rooftops with Spider-Man finally coming upon the battle, where he must find a way to take them both down...

now I would LOVE to see a movie like this...

 

[GoldGoblin]

Loki is a great villain and Mysterio is kinda like him but with more illusions.

 

[harryoscop]

I always envisioned a Kraven and Lizard villain combo for a movie... the storyline would go that Curt Connors does his experimenting with the Lizard formula with the usual tragic result happening with the Lizard emerging and causing panic among the general public at night... the situation is all out of control with the police and Spider-Man unable to apprehend the Lizard... the situation is so bad that the world-famous animal tracker and expert, Sergei Kravinoff has to be called in to assist with the tracking and locating of the Lizard, thereby enabling Spider-Man to capture him... while Kravinoff is involved in tracking the Lizard down, he comes upon Connors' laboratory, upon which Kravinoff discovers some of the Lizard formula... as Kravinoff analyzes the serum, he is attacked by the Lizard, who has returned to the laboratory for the Lizard serum to use for his own purposes... Kraven is known for using his own jungle herbs and potions to enhance his tracking abilities and augment his strength... somehow during the confrontation, the serum is either ingested or injected into Kraven, intermingling with Kraven's own potions, mutating and augmenting his already strengthened body with amimal-like ferocity and inhuman strength, thereby creating a double menace that Peter Parker must deal with as a scientist and Spider-Man must deal with as a hero... the movie would go on with the Lizard escaping and Kraven going on a Lizard-hunt... Spider-Man eventually would at first meet and try to deal with each individual villain but would wind up with both villains escaping after getting his ass kicked by each one individually... the movie would continue with Kraven finally tracking down the Lizard and the eventual battle between Kraven and the Lizard... and I'm talking a FEROCIOUS battle between the two that causes some severe destruction... and the confrontation could take place on the streets, on the sides of buildings and rooftops with Spider-Man finally coming upon the battle, where he must find a way to take them both down...

now I would LOVE to see a movie like this...

I really like this idea
I always wanted to Kraven's Last Hunt (but with Lizard replacing Vermon) on the big screen

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I really like this idea
I always wanted to Kraven's Last Hunt (but with Lizard replacing Vermon) on the big screen

thanks, harry... now watch some Hollywood screenwriter see this and use it as a screenplay... the bast*rd...

 

[harryoscop]

thanks, harry... now watch some Hollywood screenwriter see this and use it as a screenplay... the bast*rd...

Sue them. Sue them all!!!

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Sue them. Sue them all!!!

damn straight... as long as this thread isn't deleted in the future, I've got my proof with time and day...

 

[ernesth100]

I always envisioned a Kraven and Lizard villain combo for a movie... the storyline would go that Curt Connors does his experimenting with the Lizard formula with the usual tragic result happening with the Lizard emerging and causing panic among the general public at night... the situation is all out of control with the police and Spider-Man unable to apprehend the Lizard... the situation is so bad that the world-famous animal tracker and expert, Sergei Kravinoff has to be called in to assist with the tracking and locating of the Lizard, thereby enabling Spider-Man to capture him... while Kravinoff is involved in tracking the Lizard down, he comes upon Connors' laboratory, upon which Kravinoff discovers some of the Lizard formula... as Kravinoff analyzes the serum, he is attacked by the Lizard, who has returned to the laboratory for the Lizard serum to use for his own purposes... Kraven is known for using his own jungle herbs and potions to enhance his tracking abilities and augment his strength... somehow during the confrontation, the serum is either ingested or injected into Kraven, intermingling with Kraven's own potions, mutating and augmenting his already strengthened body with amimal-like ferocity and inhuman strength, thereby creating a double menace that Peter Parker must deal with as a scientist and Spider-Man must deal with as a hero... the movie would go on with the Lizard escaping and Kraven going on a Lizard-hunt... Spider-Man eventually would at first meet and try to deal with each individual villain but would wind up with both villains escaping after getting his ass kicked by each one individually... the movie would continue with Kraven finally tracking down the Lizard and the eventual battle between Kraven and the Lizard... and I'm talking a FEROCIOUS battle between the two that causes some severe destruction... and the confrontation could take place on the streets, on the sides of buildings and rooftops with Spider-Man finally coming upon the battle, where he must find a way to take them both down...

now I would LOVE to see a movie like this...

That sounds ****ing epic.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

That sounds ****ing epic.

and thank YOU, ernie... maybe it should be called "Spider-Man: Hunt" or Spider-Man: Kraven's Hunt"...

 

[ernesth100]

I'm rooting for Spectacular Spider-Man title still.

 

[Neno_Kos]

"Spectacular Spider-Man: Kraven's Hunt".

 

[The Infernal]

There are some Mysterio naysayers that tend to use these arguments against

"He's lame."

"Illusions what can they do?"

Mysterio is actually one of Spidey's more dangerous foes. He is capable of anything. Playing simple tricks on the mind, can lead to any kind off danger. Mysterio turning gigantic, may be an illusion, but its still capable of killing Spider-Man. So Spider-Man fighting an illusion, can potentially cause harm to his mind and make the experience so real, it could kill him. Plus he's often made Spider-man think that he was insane and losing his mind.

He's basically to Spider-man as Scarecrow is to Batman.

Which is a good point, but for me the problem is how they may tackle Mysterio's illusions on screen. With Scarecrow you have a very easy in with them just being delusions brought on by his fear toxin. You don't need any more explanation than that and you can get away with a lot of crazy stuff that way.

With Mysterio however he doesn't have that excuse and all his allusions have to be thought out far more. I don't see them doing something like the 90's animated series which just had 'magic' illusion cubes that would shoot out random illusions.

I want to see a classic looking Mysterio with some grand illusions that really wow, but there does have to be some logic to it as well.

"Spectacular Spider-Man: Kraven's Hunt".

I'd watch it.

 

[harryoscop]

and thank you, ernie... Maybe it should be called "spider-man: Hunt" or spider-man: Kraven's hunt"...

SPIDER-MAN: The last Hunt

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I'd watch it.

thank you, Infernal... I wonder if this is how screenwriting starts...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I really like this idea
I always wanted to Kraven's Last Hunt (but with Lizard replacing Vermon) on the big screen

You did?
I liked the idea in the games, but it was done without the Superior Spider-Man angle.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

He does have a great amount of potential though. Not only from a visual perspective--he's got to be a SFX creator's wet dream. The possibilities with him in that regard would be endless. Mysterio is interesting enough as a villain and poses a psychological threat to Spider-Man. I'm not sure I agree about him being the main antagonist for the first movie, though I'd eventually like to see him on screen. People clamoring for Mysterio has been going on since the Raimi days.

I know he have good potential, I just say he is number 1 favourite on poll because the bigger great villains all been done in movies already.

 

[The Slang]

Which is a good point, but for me the problem is how they may tackle Mysterio's illusions on screen. With Scarecrow you have a very easy in with them just being delusions brought on by his fear toxin. You don't need any more explanation than that and you can get away with a lot of crazy stuff that way.

With Mysterio however he doesn't have that excuse and all his allusions have to be thought out far more. I don't see them doing something like the 90's animated series which just had 'magic' illusion cubes that would shoot out random illusions.

I want to see a classic looking Mysterio with some grand illusions that really wow, but there does have to be some logic to it as well.



I'd watch it.

Magic illusion cubes that shoot out random illusions? They were 'Holocubes'. They projected holograms, and the holograms weren't random. Mysterio would program them with specific holograms to use in different situations.

 

[The Infernal]

You think if they went with Morbius they could have a Spider-Man/Blade Team Up.

Well if Marvel had more of a stake in Spider-man...

Magic illusion cubes that shoot out random illusions? They were 'Holocubes'. They projected holograms, and the holograms weren't random. Mysterio would program them with specific holograms to use in different situations.

Wasn't being literal.

 

[stark]

I think Mysterio would be a good choice for a first villain, especially with the reboot not doing an origin story. They could use the illusions/hallucinations to go back and show what they need to in order to establish back story (Ben, Gwen, etc).

Oh yeah, and long time lurker/first time poster. Big fan of the MCU and loving that we will be getting Spidey!

 

[CaptainWagner]

I think Mysterio would be a good choice for a first villain, especially with the reboot not doing an origin story. They could use the illusions/hallucinations to go back and show what they need to in order to establish back story (Ben, Gwen, etc).

Oh yeah, and long time lurker/first time poster. Big fan of the MCU and loving that we will be getting Spidey!

Welcome to the Hype! And I wholeheartedly agree with you that Mysterio should be the first villain! t:

 

[Arach Knight]

With Mysterio however he doesn't have that excuse and all his allusions have to be thought out far more. I don't see them doing something like the 90's animated series which just had 'magic' illusion cubes that would shoot out random illusions.

There is nothing magical or unexplainable about 3D illusions. There is a rather dated theatrical technique known as "Pepper's Ghost" which allows one to project life-like illusions by simply using light and glass.

Mr.Wizard Explains Pepper's Ghost
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That was done in the 80s on a low budget local access show (which I was very fond of as a child). High tech versions of this technique have most famously been used to recreate Tupac Shakur and Michael Jackson for stage performances. Mysterio would not be able to spontaneously construct illusions, but if the character were interpreted as a bit of a strategist based on his expertise with special effects planning for films, it would not be entirely inconceivable for him to lure opponents into a controlled situation where he is able to use illusions to distract or terrify them.

And honestly, such an explanation would only be necessary if they cared to do that much explaining. The rule of thumb in fiction writing is that you can do whatever you want so long as you establish the rules of your universe, ask the audience to suspend disbelief and don't contradict your own rules. So would anyone really give a care if Mysterio threw out holocubes that could project solid holograms? We are already believing that spider-bites can grant powers rather than death, and that gamma bombs will turn people into green monsters (even though gamma radiation strips atoms of their structure). So what seems so implausible about accepting a non-existent technology?

 

[The Slang]

^ Right. There's nothing incredibly implausible about holograms, and they're nothing new in the realm of sci fi. Even in the MCU, we see Tony Stark working on a holographic display, so I don't see why something like the Holocube would be impossible to accept.

 

[The Infernal]

I'm not saying holograms themselves are implausible. I just don't buy into the idea of him throwing out tiny little cubes that happen to contain an extravagant display for whatever the situation needs. As Arach Knight points out you generally need things set up and lighting for something like that to work. Though while he seems open to the idea of holo-cubes, I'd like to see something a little more thoughtful than that.

 

[Arach Knight]

I'm not saying holograms themselves are implausible. I just don't buy into the idea of him throwing out tiny little cubes that happen to contain an extravagant display for whatever the situation needs. As Arach Knight points out you generally need things set up and lighting for something like that to work. Though while he seems open to the idea of holo-cubes, I'd like to see something a little more thoughtful than that.

I am not putting tons of thought into this, so bear that in mind, but even the idea of a small, portable device, capable of projecting images is nothing too far fetched. Back in 2009, LG put out a projector phone (this was before things such as Miracast and Android Beam caught on).

LG Projector Phone Tech Demo 2009
[YT]/watch?v=jeJum-mGo7U[/YT]

If someone can make a six inch device that is about 1/2 inch thick and able to project full color images, again, it doesn't seem too crazy to have a holocube that could project an image. The only issue I have is with the idea of solid holograms that can inflict physical damage. But even then, research was done in 2013 to make photons (the matter that light is made of) behave like a solid.

http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/solid-light-light-sabers-made-photons-130927.htm

I suppose my point in all of this, is that the idea is not so far fetched based on existing illusion techniques and modern technology. One can't demand too much realism from fantasy, as the point of fantasy is to imagine the otherwise impossible or fantastic. A holocube may not have sufficient scientific grounding (even with my given examples), but the idea is certainly more flexible for the purposes of narrative.

No fantasy story should be a slave to something such as science, as any resultant story would be far more mundane. Heck, light speed travel for a machine the size of the Enterprise of Millennium Falcon is absolutely impossible (objects take on more mass as they accelerate toward light speed, which is why photons, a form of matter with no real mass, are the only known things able to travel at light speed. Any huge object would essentially create a dense pocket of gravity if they were even able to achieve light speed, which would mean destroying nearby bodies anytime light speed is in effect).

 

[Neno_Kos]

^ Right. There's nothing incredibly implausible about holograms, and they're nothing new in the realm of sci fi. Even in the MCU, we see Tony Stark working on a holographic display, so I don't see why something like the Holocube would be impossible to accept.

yh, I agree. If we can buy having masked guy with spider-powers, aliens from another planet, arifical intelligence which purpose is to eliminate human kind , person who can shrink himself at the size of ant, I think we can buy holographic cubes....