Homecoming Who should reboot villain be? (Poll Version)

[Arach Knight]

I'd understand if the problem was that having Venom would feel like retread, but why can't they rewrite the character so that it's a lot better? Let's be honest, any Spider-man villain would have to be rewritten to some extent so it fits in a movie. So why is doing that with Venom so wrong?

If one is going to spend the amount of time necessary to rewrite a character such as Venom, then they would likely be better off coming up with an original character. But lets pretend that someone did wish to undertake the task of recreating Venom so that he is a more dynamic character. Doing so would present two problems;

1) They focus more on his rivalry with Peter Parker, both in and out of costume and attempt to create a more compelling narrative by playing up those angles. If one pursues this path, then why not simply use existing characters that already fulfill that angle (e.g. The Big Man and The Hobgoblin).

2) They decide to create an entirely different motivation and origin in order to create a compelling narrative. This then brings up the question of why the writer would not simply opt to create their own fully fleshed out character.

So you either wind up wasting time using a weak character when stronger characters can do the same thing, or you end up basically creating your own character but slapping superficial elements on top of that creation so that it bears the likeness of another character. It just seems to be a wasted effort.

 

[Arach Knight]

That's one villain you and I are 100% on the same page about

 

[The Joker]

If one is going to spend the amount of time necessary to rewrite a character such as Venom, then they would likely be better off coming up with an original character. But lets pretend that someone did wish to undertake the task of recreating Venom so that he is a more dynamic character. Doing so would present two problems;

1) They focus more on his rivalry with Peter Parker, both in and out of costume and attempt to create a more compelling narrative by playing up those angles. If one pursues this path, then why not simply use existing characters that already fulfill that angle (e.g. The Big Man and The Hobgoblin).

2) They decide to create an entirely different motivation and origin in order to create a compelling narrative. This then brings up the question of why the writer would not simply opt to create their own fully fleshed out character.

So you either wind up wasting time using a weak character when stronger characters can do the same thing, or you end up basically creating your own character but slapping superficial elements on top of that creation so that it bears the likeness of another character. It just seems to be a wasted effort.

Bravo. We really are of the same mind on this. I said the same things in this thread a few weeks ago when people started saying Venom just needs a rewrite to be decent.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

If one is going to spend the amount of time necessary to rewrite a character such as Venom, then they would likely be better off coming up with an original character. But lets pretend that someone did wish to undertake the task of recreating Venom so that he is a more dynamic character. Doing so would present two problems;

1) They focus more on his rivalry with Peter Parker, both in and out of costume and attempt to create a more compelling narrative by playing up those angles. If one pursues this path, then why not simply use existing characters that already fulfill that angle (e.g. The Big Man and The Hobgoblin).

2) They decide to create an entirely different motivation and origin in order to create a compelling narrative. This then brings up the question of why the writer would not simply opt to create their own fully fleshed out character.

So you either wind up wasting time using a weak character when stronger characters can do the same thing, or you end up basically creating your own character but slapping superficial elements on top of that creation so that it bears the likeness of another character. It just seems to be a wasted effort.

fair enough. I challenge you to come up with a reason how Mysterio (seeing that he's a fan favorite now) could be interesting as a main villain of a movie without coming up with motivations, plot points and character traits that weren't already in the comics

 

[I'm Batman.]

Bravo. We really are of the same mind on this. I said the same things in this thread a few weeks ago when people started saying Venom just needs a rewrite to be decent.

You can't add much to a character before he becomes something different. The attempt Marvel had at making him deeper flopped. He's the twin of Spider-Man without being as cliche as an evil twin. His philosophy is the exact opposite of Spider-Man's, but at the core just like Peter, Brock is a guy who obtains powers.

 

[Mike Murdock]

If one is going to spend the amount of time necessary to rewrite a character such as Venom, then they would likely be better off coming up with an original character. But lets pretend that someone did wish to undertake the task of recreating Venom so that he is a more dynamic character. Doing so would present two problems;

1) They focus more on his rivalry with Peter Parker, both in and out of costume and attempt to create a more compelling narrative by playing up those angles. If one pursues this path, then why not simply use existing characters that already fulfill that angle (e.g. The Big Man and The Hobgoblin).

2) They decide to create an entirely different motivation and origin in order to create a compelling narrative. This then brings up the question of why the writer would not simply opt to create their own fully fleshed out character.

So you either wind up wasting time using a weak character when stronger characters can do the same thing, or you end up basically creating your own character but slapping superficial elements on top of that creation so that it bears the likeness of another character. It just seems to be a wasted effort.

I think you're missing two points here:

One, adaptations modify characters all the time. Venom would be no different there. Any other character would be the same way.

Two, you're acting like they have to start from scratch when changing the character. Both the 90s Spiderman cartoon and Spectacular Spider-Man are both examples they can draw from where the character was handled better than in the comics.

They aren't going to create an original villain. People would be very upset if they did that - particularly if it's a villain similar to Venom. More people would be saying "why didn't they just use Venom?" than are opposed to him now. Is there any mainstream superhero movie that chose to ignore the comic's established villains in favor of an entirely original character?

 

[The Joker]

You can't add much to a character before he becomes something different. The attempt Marvel had at making him deeper flopped. He's the twin of Spider-Man without being as cliche as an evil twin. His philosophy is the exact opposite of Spider-Man's, but at the core just like Peter, Brock is a guy who obtains powers.

I'll never understand why some fans think he's the opposite of Spider-Man. Just because he has similar powers? How being a guy who obtains powers is being just like Peter is beyond me. Nearly every villain in Spidey's rogues gallery was just a guy who got powers somehow, usually accidentally like Peter did, too.

There's only one villain in Spidey's villains I'd call Spidey's evil opposite and that's Doc Ock. Because they actually share a lot in common and not just something superficial like similar powers. They were both born and raised in middle class New York. Both were shy repressed nerdy Science geek kids who wore big round glass, had no friends, unpopular with girls, got bullied in school.

Both lost their parents at a young age, both acquired their powers through their love of Science. Even the love of Otto's life before he became Doc Ock was a woman called Mary Alice an obvious similarity name to Mary Jane.

Even Otto recognizes similarities of himself in Spider-Man;

That's why he was Spider-Man for 2 years in the Superior Spider-Man saga. He was the perfect candidate to inhabit Peter's body and life because they are two sides of the same coin. Only one is the geek turned hero and the other is the geek turned villain.

 

[Zantera]

I think the reason they should start with Green Goblin is because apart from being probably Spider-Man's biggest enemy, there's also a lot of elements you can setup. You never know if Norman is truly defeated or not, Harry is introduced, and there's a lot of elements in place for the Goblin to return, either as Norman or Harry. Doc Ock would also work, because he has that quality of being such a big villain.

I've been on the Mysterio fanwagon for quite sometime, but I don't know if the "origin" movie is the best one to introduce him in. I think they should start off and get GG and/or Doc Ock going, and then maybe have a Vulture/Mysterio team-up in the second. I still hope that we get a good symbiote saga eventually, and my inner 10 year old would scream with joy if we ever got to see Venom (with proper screen time), or even better.. Venom and CARNAGE. Carnage would be tricky to pull off with the PG13 rating I think, but it's doable. You can get around a lot of dark things.

 

[Morbius]

Well they made Daredevil suck in the Daredevil movie, and they made Spiderman suck in TASM2. It goes both ways, they can make a comic book character UNsuck in a movie

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Never, ever, Venom. I'm with Brian Bendis and Sam Raimi. Venom is a weak character that reeks of late 80s/early 90s sensibilities of style over substance. I'd much rather see Ned Leeds as the Hobgoblin: he has nearly the same dynamic in terms of being Peter's rival as reporter and costumed figure. However, Leeds has infinitely greater narrative depth. Eddie has a highly irrational disdain for Peter Parker, and that is his sole motivation. Not that you can't have a character purely driven by vengeance, but Brock's justification for vengeance is pure crap, which makes him an uninteresting figure. This is why Raimi wanted to avoid him and why Bendis did his best to keep Venom's exposure brief in the Ultimate series.

If one is going to spend the amount of time necessary to rewrite a character such as Venom, then they would likely be better off coming up with an original character. But lets pretend that someone did wish to undertake the task of recreating Venom so that he is a more dynamic character. Doing so would present two problems;

1) They focus more on his rivalry with Peter Parker, both in and out of costume and attempt to create a more compelling narrative by playing up those angles. If one pursues this path, then why not simply use existing characters that already fulfill that angle (e.g. The Big Man and The Hobgoblin).

2) They decide to create an entirely different motivation and origin in order to create a compelling narrative. This then brings up the question of why the writer would not simply opt to create their own fully fleshed out character.

So you either wind up wasting time using a weak character when stronger characters can do the same thing, or you end up basically creating your own character but slapping superficial elements on top of that creation so that it bears the likeness of another character. It just seems to be a wasted effort.

Great.

fair enough. I challenge you to come up with a reason how Mysterio (seeing that he's a fan favorite now) could be interesting as a main villain of a movie without coming up with motivations, plot points and character traits that weren't already in the comics

GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS!!!!!!!!! Let me handle this one.

Mysterio is my favorite Spider-Man villain. I really thought how to do him differently and thanks to the MCU, you can do it in the way I have him but change it a bit.

I had an idea where Mysterio is a Mutant. He is basically Spider-Man if Peter's Uncle didn't die. What did Peter do with his powers at first? Win money fighting. That's where I'm going with Mysterio.

Now Marvel can't use Mutants but you know what they can use? INHUMANS!!!! Mysterio is an Inhuman and has the powers to create villains and make illusions appear and feel real. He also can create smoke to give off that foggy look he sometimes has.

My take, Mysterio is a Magician who can't get work anymore. No one wants to hire him. So at first, he haunts shows of his competitors and the people who rejected him. He sees how much press and news he's getting of this strange haunting and decides to keep the show going and takes it to the streets of NYC.

One idea I have with a fight between him and Spider-Man comes from the Spider-Man 2 game. Mysterio creates the illusion of a robotic alien invasion.

One of my favorite illusions idea is this: what if Mysterio gave off the illusion OF THE GODDAMN MUTHA****ING STAY PUFT MARSHMALLOW MAN AND SPIDER-MAN HAD TO FIGHT IT!!!!! Clearly a nod to one of my favorite films in Ghostbusters and the fact Sony made Ghostbusters, Mysterio actually can do this in the film.

The third fact, Spider-Man figures out where Mysterio is and goes to his hideout and when he opens a door it leads straight into like a Circus. Again really Spider-Man 2 the game influenced. There's a fun house with the mirrors, there's an upside down house, and the final boss ends at the big tent with Mysterio also feeding into Spider-Man's thoughts with Uncle Ben in the audience.

I want to make Mysterio the Scarecrow or Freddy Krueger of Spider-Man foes but not just focus on fear and nightmares.

I have a sequel idea where basically Mysterio figures out how to use his powers to make everyone in the city feel be under his influence and my idea for that is of course he does and just about everyone in the island NYC is knocked out and the world they are in and Spider-Man must enter and fight, with the help of either Scarlet Witch or Dr Strange haven't decided which, is basically very Bioshock influence with Mysterio basically like the Andrew Ryan or Comstock of this world and all of the people are under the influence except for Spidey and one of his allies. We would have Avengers and Sinister Six members kind of like the Big Daddy's or Handymen in terms of boss fights for Spidey that are controlled by Mysterio. It's just ****ing epic.

I even have a third idea for Mysterio. Smaller but bigger. It's influenced by the Batman The Animated Series episode, Perchance To Dream but a little different.

Spider-Man wakes up to his worst nightmare ever. We see Avengers get killed by the Sinister Six, Green Goblin has killed Aunt May and MJ. And once Green Goblin goes up to Spidey and kills him, Peter wakes up again but this time, he wakes up in bed with Gwen Stacy. It's basically his best dream ever. Uncle Ben is alive, Gwen's alive, and he's not Spider-Man but Peter thinks something is wrong and in the third fact we find out Mysterio is the one giving Spidey these illusions and yea they fight.

THAT'S HOW I WOULD DO MYSTERIO AND WHY HE WOULD BE ****ING EPIC FOR A SPIDER-MAN FILM!!!!!

 

[The Joker]

LEVI, you constantly remind us you're more than just a quippy light hearted presence here. That is an epic post

Not sure about the mutant part, but the rest sounds great.

 

[Oscorp]

Well, he's trying. I love Mysterio and I'd hate that take on him, being a mutant. But I respect him for thinking outside the box.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

LEVI, you constantly remind us you're more than just a quippy light hearted presence here. That is an epic post

Not sure about the mutant part, but the rest sounds great.

Well, he's trying. I love Mysterio and I'd hate that take on him, being a mutant. But I respect him for thinking outside the box.

Well while I was thinking of Mysterio, there is so many different origins that have been done. Some of him as an actor, some as a stage actor, some as a specific effects guy. I was thinking if he was just human, where would he get the resources for this stuff and I couldn't come up with a guy who's never been a criminal, having the resources for it.

I was thinking how when you think about it, X-Men are always fighting mutant villains. There is a percentage of the Marvel world that are mutants, why are X-Men only effected and have to deal with them? There are so many heroes in Marvel, you shouldn't have to restrain them to just a particular group when the whole world has this mutant problem. Since Marvel can't use Mutants, my idea is Mysterio is an Inhuman isn't which is like mutants.

It also works well because I was looking how perfect Batman's villains are to him. Joker is the opposite of the Bat, Two-Face is the duality of Bruce and the Bat, Riddler is the intelligent challenge, Penguin is a opposite of Bruce, Scarecrow questions Batman whether or not he's fearless, Mad Hatter is sort of the opposite to Batman in terms of youth because in Grant's Arkham Asylum, Mad Hatter admitted to having sex with other age blonde girls so he's a pedophile and when you look at Jason Dick Tim and Damian they are look a like and Bruce takes them in and cares for them where as Hatter goes after blonde girls and rapes them because they look like Alice.

So I thought what if Mysterio is like if Spider-Man continued his show business career and kept on using his powers to make money and it fits really well and still holds Mysterio's origin true without overly changing it because his job which I choose magician because I think his powers fit that job so to speak.

I feel like it doesn't truly change Mysterio. His origin is still intact, he just has the powers of illusion.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I'm not thrilled with the prospect of Mysterio of a mutant, but that's still a great post, Levi!

 

[Daedalus]

Well, he's trying. I love Mysterio and I'd hate that take on him, being a mutant. But I respect him for thinking outside the box.

I have to agree. While most Batman`s foes are truly developed enemies that could hold their own movie, some of Spider-Man`s rogues gallery is, just like him, lighthearted. Take Vulture, for example: his charm is in his crankiness and his old age, not in some death-threatening ability to defeat Spidey.

The same holds true for Mysterio: his over-the-topness and ridiculousness is part of what makes him work (at least for me), and I never saw any real need for him to be in the same league as Doc Ock, Venom, Norman Osborn and Miles Warren, for example. I think he works fine as a "lesser" villain.

Nevertheless, it is indeed a great post, and I too think that Mysterio could provide some great action scenes. I just think he can do it without losing his more ironic touch. And he could be working for a Bigger Bad, too.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

The only difference between my Mysterio and the ones in the comics is that he has powers to do his visions instead of building them so to speak which makes his visions easier to do and can be more epic.

Still he has similar backstory.

 

[Daedalus]

The only difference between my Mysterio and the ones in the comics is that he has powers to do his visions instead of building them so to speak which makes his visions easier to do and can be more epic.

Still he has similar backstory.

Yes, indeed, but the images and the Scarecrow references led me to believe you wanted a more baddass, cunning, even truly frightening Mysterio. I wouldn`t like that.

But as I said in the last phrase of my post, I could still see most of your storyline ideas working (they are great), I just would not want a totally serious Mysterio. He could still be vengeful/playing off Peter`s memories while being same-old Mysterio, and working with a Bigger Bad.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

If they'll ever use Venom, i want him to be a creep like in 90's cartoons. He was showing up around from Aunt May to Mary Jane as Peter's friend and threating him reveal his secret identity. His pychological terror on Parker sold those episodes.

Venom was a very cool villain not just because of powers but Brock's jealousy/hatred for Spider-Man.

Of course it's too early for first couple of movies.

 

[Arach Knight]

I think you're missing two points here:

One, adaptations modify characters all the time. Venom would be no different there. Any other character would be the same way.

Two, you're acting like they have to start from scratch when changing the character. Both the 90s Spiderman cartoon and Spectacular Spider-Man are both examples they can draw from where the character was handled better than in the comics.

As much as I love Spectacular Spider-Man, the treatment of Eddie Brock in that series more or less turned Brock into the comicbook version of Harry Osborn. And that highlights exactly the problem, because making Brock into ersatz Harry then led to turning Harry into a simp. That cartoon had to alter a second character, just to make a lame character all that more accessible.

Harry was already the cool friend that had Peter's back during school, that eventually became a rival/villain that tormented Peter both in and out of costume. In other words, Venom wound up being a complete waste since they already had Harry. I would not be surprised if Greg Weisman realized that when the decision was made to include Brock, thus leading to radically altering Harry's character to accommodate someone else fulfilling his traditional role. That last part is conjecture, but I'm just saying, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[ernesth100]

Here's what they should do.
First Movie-Spider-Man's been facing street level crime(Hammerhead, Tombstone, The Enforcers[Ox, Fancy Dan, and Herman Schultz) for a while now and thinks everything is getting too easy when he gets his first real Supervillain, Mysterio.


Second Movie-Spider-Man has now seen the Enforcers return with powers as the Shocker, Ricochet(Fancy Dan) and Ox. They were hired by Otto Octavious to capture Spider-Man and get his blood as a part of a project to make a man named Adrian Tombes uoung again. They failnof course and Adrian now hates Spider-Man and is approached by Hammerhead who has also had problems with the Wallcrawler.


Third Movie -Here is an easy Sinister Six. We have Mysterio, Ox, Octavious(Now Dock Ock), Shocker, Adrian(Now the Vulture), and Ricochet.


This is kind of just a basic Sinister Six something that Spider-Man can beat but also powerful enough that it won't be easy. They can bring in the big guns like Rhino, Electro and Goblin in later films.

 

[Arach Knight]

fair enough. I challenge you to come up with a reason how Mysterio (seeing that he's a fan favorite now) could be interesting as a main villain of a movie without coming up with motivations, plot points and character traits that weren't already in the comics

Mysterio is an easy clean up because both he and Spider-Man worked in show business around the same time. Modifying Quentin to be a primary antagonist would only require a slight shift in narrative. Quentin hated doing stunt work and special effects and wanted to get in front of the camera. His initiative to do so failed, which led him to turn to crime. That's the comicbook narrative. For the film? Simply connect Quentin's show business aspirations to Spider-Man.

Imagine if Beck had been trying for two years to get in front of the camera as an actor. He fails again and again. Then he comes up with a brilliant idea; a gimmick. So he invents the Mysterio persona and attempts to pitch that gimmick in a last ditch effort to gain stardom. When Spider-Man shows up, he gets the business contract that Beck was going to be signed to. Feeling humiliated, Beck uses his special set of skills to frame Spider-Man and destroy his celebrity/public image (part of this is already comicbook accurate as Beck did indeed try to frame Spider-Man in their initial encounter). At the same time, Spider-Man will suffer the tragedy of uncle Ben's death, leading Spider-Man to reject fame and fortune. This only further pisses off Beck, who would have been happy to have had the contract. The now purpose driven Spider-Man seeks out Beck, not only to clear his name, but to fulfill his uncle's philosophy.

I haven't fleshed out that concept, because I am literally making it up as I type this post, but I think that could work. Plus, you'd get an interesting psychological dichotomy as you see two people with similar motivation and opportunities that wind up taking divergent paths and then clashing as a result. The showman turned hero vs the showman turned villain.

 

[Mike Murdock]

If they'll ever use Venom, i want him to be a creep like in 90's cartoons. He was showing up around from Aunt May to Mary Jane as Peter's friend and threating him reveal his secret identity. His pychological terror on Parker sold those episodes.

Venom was a very cool villain not just because of powers but Brock's jealousy/hatred for Spider-Man.

Of course it's too early for first couple of movies.

Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. The psychological terror aspect of knowing his identity - combined with the fact that Spidey can't sense him coming worked well. I'm usually the first to complain about 90s excessiveness (I certainly do for Carnage who is generally an irredeemable character*), but I think Venom has potential to rise above that. And he's frankly one of the few 90s additions with any real lasting power.

* I do however have a really off the wall story idea for Carnage in a Daredevil comic if Marvel ever trusted me to write a comic for a year and kill him off controversially.

 

[Arach Knight]

My take, Mysterio is a Magician who can't get work anymore. No one wants to hire him. So at first, he haunts shows of his competitors and the people who rejected him. He sees how much press and news he's getting of this strange haunting and decides to keep the show going and takes it to the streets of NYC.

That is an excellent idea. I wouldn't mind seeing this at all. Not sure how I feel about Mysterio being a mutant/inhuman with illusion powers. There is already Mastermind and Lady Mastermind: mutants that have the power to create illusions. If Mysterio also has such an origin/power set, I would wonder why the story would not simply use Mastermind or Lady Mastermind.

I want to make Mysterio the Scarecrow or Freddy Krueger of Spider-Man foes but not just focus on fear and nightmares.

Where do you see such an idea fitting into the Spider-Man atmosphere? The character has never really dealt with anything that is too cerebral.

 

[ernesth100]

Mysertio this Mysterio that. There's Vulture.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Yes, indeed, but the images and the Scarecrow references led me to believe you wanted a more baddass, cunning, even truly frightening Mysterio. I wouldn`t like that.

But as I said in the last phrase of my post, I could still see most of your storyline ideas working (they are great), I just would not want a totally serious Mysterio. He could still be vengeful/playing off Peter`s memories while being same-old Mysterio, and working with a Bigger Bad.

I wouldn't consider my Mysterio frightening. He's more Freddy/Scarecrow influence in terms of he causes these illusions and you can't beat him by punching him. You sort of have to play his game to beat him.

In my first Mysterio story, he's really trying to entertain people in a way and trying to create news stories and buzz. In the third act with Spidey going to his place and the whole Circus thing, it does get a bit darker but Circuses are at times dark you know with the clowns and stuff.

In my second story, he decides if he can't get people to love him, he will make them love him and creates this world where he's the highest being so to speak. He's like Comstock in Bioshock Infinite. I can't say with the state of Rapture, he's like Ryan due to how depressing Rapture is. On the basis it does sound darker but this is a man who wants fame back who wants his name back and nobody will give him a chance so he's gonna make everyone suffer.

With the third story, he decides to put Spider-Man on the ride of his life by making him experience his worst nightmare with then his greatest dream in the hopes that Spidey never wakes up from that dream and won't be able to meddle in Mysterio's plans.

That is an excellent idea. I wouldn't mind seeing this at all. Not sure how I feel about Mysterio being a mutant/inhuman with illusion powers. There is already Mastermind and Lady Mastermind: mutants that have the power to create illusions. If Mysterio also has such an origin/power set, I would wonder why the story would not simply use Mastermind or Lady Mastermind.

Because I didn't know who Mastermind and Lady Mastermind is....

Also I think it's fair to share, there's bound to be mutants who share similar powers you know? It's not like everyone is different.

I don't know, I just feel that Mysterio having powers and using them to cash in really connects with Spidey and also helps in making his illusions seem possible.

Where do you see such an idea fitting into the Spider-Man atmosphere? The character has never really dealt with anything that is too cerebral.

While not hating my Mysterio, I wouldn't say I'm making him Doc Ock levels of smart. In the first story, he's primarily using his powers. The second story, he figures out a way to spread his powers and effect the entire island all at once. He would have done it on a small level in the audience of his shows being amazed his acts but now he's trying it on a larger scale. Third he just focuses on Spidey.

Also when you think of Spider-Man's rogues, besides Green Goblin, Kraven, Chameleon, and Doc Ock, there aren't that many cerebral beings. I consider why Connors is Lizard that Lizard is mindless you know? It always worked best for him to become a beast. Then you got guys like Shocker, Sandman, Electro, and Rhino who have never been known for their brains. Venom well you know how bad he is.

I don't see him as a true intelligent foe for Spidey. I see him as more of a rogue where Spidey does have to think a little more for then others simply because Mysterio in my take is a master of deceptive and illusion. How do you know if something is real or fake? When it hits Spidey and hurts him it sure feels real even though it makes not sense how.

I also got a brilliant and very, very different take on Chameleon that still respects the lore and what Chameleon is all about but it raises him above the B or C list of Spidey foes and makes him an A list. I would love to post it. Maybe tomorrow if you're interested.