Homecoming Who should reboot villain be? (Poll Version)

[Oscorp]

I think so. It offers a very good insight on what makes Peter who he is, and why Spiderman is so special. We meet Brock in the first film, just as a minor charcter who harrasses Peter at The Bugle. Peter gets the suit during Infinity War and comes back with it. The 2nd solo film shows how it effects Peter, along with Eddie's fall from grace, ending in Peter shedding the suit and Eddie seemingly falling to his death. Then, in the third film, Brock is revealed to have bonded with the symbiote, and is used by the main villain (Hobgoblin, in my version) to rip Peter's life apart. This ends tragically, but Brock is defeated, and the symbiote conficated by the government, setting up an Agent Venom spinoff.


Personally, I think that would all be amazing to see on film.

My problem with this is that the symbiote saga is such a small part of Spider-Man's history, giving it that much of screen time does everything else injustice. Why give a trilogy such a focus on the symbiote saga when we have Doc Ock's Masterplanner, or a Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) story done completely justice (I still think killing him off in SM1 is too soon and he was given what, one minute in ASM2?), etc. Not to mention all those stories in Peter's personal life that don't include the symbiote or Venom.

Perhaps to do the symbiote saga complete justice it needs to be the focus of several films. To do SPIDER-MAN justice however, I think such a focus on the symbiote would be a disservice.

 

[Keehar]

Yeah there are dozen of stories that give good insight into what makes Peter who he is, and why Spider-Man is so special that are better and more worthy than the symbiote one. The last thing this new series needs is that overrated dreck dragging over several movies.

 

[ernesth100]

Then why don't we discuss those other villains and stories and end this Venom conversation? Or at least continue it in it's own thread. Judging by then popularity of it.

 

[Daedalus]

Fair enough. This is my last post on this as I feel we're start to go in circles now and repeat ourselves. If you want to reply go ahead, I'll read it but I won't post another reply. Though I hope we converse again in the future. I like your style overall. You present yourself well, even though I don't agree with you on this particular topic.

Thank you for the compliment, Joker. I really enjoyed our discussion as well, and I`ll respect your decision to stop it here, not posting anymore. We`ll agree to disagree then. And I hope we`ll talk again in the future too, it`s been great.

 

[Arach Knight]

That's a good plot I'll give you that. But you didn't exactly play by my rules, you came up with a motivation for the villain that wasn't in the comics. It's a slight shift indeed, but isn't switching Eddie Brocks motivation to something much more solid a slight shift too? That and fleshed out character writing is all you need to turn it into a brilliant villain, just like with Mysterio. What if in addition of a job Eddie truly loses something? A loved one? An arm ? Or his legs get paralyzed? Because Spider-man influensed by the symbiote indirectly caused something. And then the symbiote grants the use of his legs again

The only thing I altered was that Spider-Man would be the reason why Beck was unable to garner fame. Consequently, that is an insignificant alteration in terms of scope. I linked two independent incidents and violated the rule of correlation and causation to give a slight nudge to the existing motive and actions of Mysterio.

I didn't really rewrite Mysterio, as much as I filled in the gaps of an existing narrative and gave the idea more of a dramatic push. The same could not be easily done for Eddie Brock. Brock's characterization and motives are thin. He was essentially a poor man's Eugene "Flash" Thompson, down to sharing similar haircuts and being the jock type. In fact, that realization makes me question why Marvel didn't use Flash in the first place. In fact, that would have been more interesting because Flash idolizes Spider-Man, which would have led to some interesting psychology on the part of an empowered Flash Thompson.

Anyway, having Brock lose a limb or a loved one would be superficial. For one, there are plenty of Spider-Man villains that play up that angle. Then there is the fact that unless Spider-Man caused Brock to lose his limb or loved one, there would be no real reason for Brock to hate Spider-Man or Parker. As it stands, Brock didn't even have much reason to hate Peter in the comics. I never bought their rivalry because it was so forced, and so sloppy. Ned Leeds was a far superior rival, both at the Bugle and in costume. Brock just can't fill the shoes based on his hodge podge backstory and characterization which has clearly been borrowed from the two aforementioned influences (Leeds and Thompson).

Arach Knight is dead right when he said they had to rewrite Harry in SSM to make Brock what Harry was. That's the problem with Venom. His fans claim he can be better if he's rewritten, you ask them what should he be rewritten as, and you basically describe as him as another character, a better character, that we already have in Spidey's universe. So why do we need Venom? Answer is we don't. He provides nothing of value to Spidey's world.

Exactly.

 

[ernesth100]

Except Agent Venom. Venom is cool, Eddie Brock is what we didn't.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Guys, we have a separate symbiote thread now, let's not hijack this one again.

 

[JOE]

Guys, we have a separate symbiote thread now, let's not hijack this one again.

He's still a potential villain for the reboot. Discussing why you'd want him over another villain for the reboot and why is still valid discussion. If you just want to talk about him in general then yes, but he's part of the poll and should be able to be discussed.

 

[ernesth100]

But hows about that Vulture tho?

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Colm Feore as the Vulture and Zachary Quinto as Mysterio.

Introduce Bryan Cranston as Norman Osborn.

Later down the line, Alan Tudyk as Dr. Miles Warren/Jackal.

 

[Daedalus]

Colm Feore as the Vulture and Zachary Quinto as Mysterio.

Introduce Bryan Cranston as Norman Osborn.

Later down the line, Alan Tudyk as Dr. Miles Warren/Jackal.

On casting. I`d love all of those, although I`d still rather have Isaacs as Osborn.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

On casting. I`d love all of those, although I`d still rather have Isaacs as Osborn.

Thanks!

But...


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[ernesth100]

Colm Feore as the Vulture and Zachary Quinto as Mysterio.

Introduce Bryan Cranston as Norman Osborn.

Later down the line, Alan Tudyk as Dr. Miles Warren/Jackal.

Brilliant casting style mate.

 

[The Infernal]

Vulture I would imagine would have to go through a bit of a reinvention as far as costume goes. I'd be interested to see how they adapt him to screen and not make him look so dopey.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Brilliant casting style mate.

Thanks!

Vulture I would imagine would have to go through a bit of a reinvention as far as costume goes. I'd be interested to see how they adapt him to screen and not make him look so dopey.

I'd like to see Adrian Toomes as the original inventor of Falcon's tech who got swindled by his partner and became the Vulture in part to get his revenge.

 

[The Infernal]

That would be an interesting idea and tie-in to wider MCU mythos, Spider-Gnome. Plus it would make a potentially good starting point for a villain that isn't tied up personally to Peter Parker and isn't necessarily an overly sympathetic villain either.

 

[ernesth100]

If any MCU villains ar going to appear in Spider-Man I want it to be Zzzax, so Hulk can team up with Spider-Man. I always thought they'd have a good chemistry.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Vulture I would imagine would have to go through a bit of a reinvention as far as costume goes.

I think most villain would because their costumes would look very silly on screen lol. Only some can work and stay same like Sandman.

 

[Daedalus]

Thanks!

But...


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Don`t get me wrong, I`d still really like Cranston`s Osborn, it`s just a matter of preference. TSSM`s aristocratic, confident yet constantly creepy Norman is my favorite kind of Norman, and I just think Isaacs fits the role better.

Besides, there are tons of characters I would like to see Cranston play. If GOTG2 were to stick to the source material (which it sadly isn`t), I could really see him as a charismatic Emperor J`Son of Spartax.

I'd like to see Adrian Toomes as the original inventor of Falcon's tech who got swindled by his partner and became the Vulture in part to get his revenge.

I was thinking about this just the other day. What if after Stark Industries stopped producing weaponry in 2008, Oscorp took over their military contracts? With Toomes as a lead scientist, they could have developed Falcon`s tech, still giving Sam Wilson plenty of time to serve and be home by 2014.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Don`t get me wrong, I`d still really like Cranston`s Osborn, it`s just a matter of preference. TSSM`s aristocratic, confident yet constantly creepy Norman is my favorite kind of Norman, and I just think Isaacs fits the role better.

Besides, there are tons of characters I would like to see Cranston play. If GOTG2 were to stick to the source material (which it sadly isn`t), I could really see him as a charismatic Emperor J`Son of Spartax.

Oh, everyone's entitled to their opinion. I was responding to your comment that you could see Cranston as Norman, but not the Goblin. The clip from Breaking Bad was to support my case that he could also play the Goblin as well (that laugh,man).

I was thinking about this just the other day. What if after Stark Industries stopped producing weaponry in 2008, Oscorp took over their military contracts? With Toomes as a lead scientist, they could have developed Falcon`s tech, still giving Sam Wilson plenty of time to serve and be home by 2014.

Yeah, something like that. It sounds very simialar to the first episode of of Spectacular Spider-Man, which I have been pushing for a long time. Basically, I think Spectacular Spider-Man can serve as the perfect model for the adapting the new MCU Spider-Man!

And for myself, I think Vulture seems like the perfect starting villain, since we would rather wait and develop Green Goblin and Doc Ock. Mysterio isn't bad, I always dug his look from when I watched the old 60's cartoon. It's just Vulture has a natural connection to the MCU with Falcon and if his seeking vengeance against Osborn, that gives you a perfect intro for Norman in the MCU, who has huge potential as the MCU big bad in a later phase.

But, I can see maybe starting off with both Vulture & Mysterio, as I'm sure Marvel would like to build up to the Sinister Six.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Colm Feore as the Vulture and Zachary Quinto as Mysterio.

Introduce Bryan Cranston as Norman Osborn.

Later down the line, Alan Tudyk as Dr. Miles Warren/Jackal.

I remember when the casting rumors wre flying during the filming and prefilming days of ASM2. I think pretty much everyone thought Feore was gonna be Toomes. He ended up being Menken instead. It's a shame cause I think he would have made for a great Vulture.

 

[BatsDC]

I hope if Drew does get the gig he keeps his idea of getting Colin Firth as Vulture. Or Colin Firth as anyone, really. He's awesome.

 

[Pecola1]

I like Doc Oc. Plus the storyline of Doc would make sure that this isn't just a revenge thing for SPiderman, and that he really want's to help stop the superheros, but doesn't want to kill them if he doesn't have to.

However, Shocker would be great to throw in as well. Spiderman can pretty easily take down shocker, and he doesn't deserve to be the main villain, but quite frankly I think the story of the shocker is great. They could POSSIBLY do the episode with Doc. Oc. shocker and the guardians of the galaxy, but I doubt it would work too well.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I remember when the casting rumors wre flying during the filming and prefilming days of ASM2. I think pretty much everyone thought Feore was gonna be Toomes. He ended up being Menken instead. It's a shame cause I think he would have made for a great Vulture.

Ah, I hadn't realized that. I saw ASM2 once, and I didn't like it (yet I liked it better than ASM). I guess that could rule him out with Marvel (plus he's currently on Gotham). The only actor I can see coming back for this MCU reboot is JK Simmons.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Vulture I would imagine would have to go through a bit of a reinvention as far as costume goes. I'd be interested to see how they adapt him to screen and not make him look so dopey.

Using the recent red and black look would go a long way for Vulture's appearance.