The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Who thinks The Green Goblin should have been in this film longer

[Daywalker89]

I'm just saying that people are gonna argue your post, thus opening a can of worms. but I should've seen that happening, you're right.

He does highlight some good points though even though he has some stark rep on here.

 

[Tel]

****.

Can of worms. Opened.

I must say though, being a fan of comics does not sound like a fun life. It seems every comic book "nerd" never gets to enjoy comic book films.

Well that's a dumb statement for a kick off as I've been reading Spider-Man comics and collecting them for over 35 years. and to be honest i loved this movie. i didn't really care that Harry was Goblin first because A) This is a film not Earth 616. B) It makes a bit of a change it's a differing viewpoint and take on the character. so just because that other guy seems to feel ASM 2 dumps all over the character that's just his opinion. so to state every comic book nerd as being unable to enjoy comic book films is a bit off even if it was tongue in cheek

 

[Tel]

Why? Because it craps all over the comic books. One of the most beloved stories and characters in Spidey history. It ends up being a great and tragic revenge story.

Norman is the father of Peter's best friend, making the battles a lot more intense. It makes Peter's meetings with un-Goblin Osborn a bit intense.
Osborn is a sick **** who ends up murdering Peter's true love and ends up dying himself (in a great iconic way I might add).

Harry, Peter's best friend becomes the Green Goblin and it makes their battles a lot more tragic, since they were once friends and now at eachother's throats.
Harry would never, I repeat NEVER harm Gwen like that. He even told MJ flat out he wouldn't ever hurt anyone innocent. Peter/Spider-Man was his only vendetta.

Now we have in this film, Harry coming in, and according to viewers, having barely any time with Peter on screen as friends, becoming a villain (a stupid looking one at that, who doesn't resemble any Green Goblin I have ever seen) for the stupid reason of "I'm sick I need your blood lol oh look there's Gwen OH HEY YOU MUST BE PETER", MURDERING Gwen Stacy and being a smug little prick about it at the end. That is not Harry Osborn. Harry robbed Norman of everything major that the comics built him up as. Starting the Goblin legacy, killing Peter's love.

Really Harry wouldn't harm anyone innocent. I direct you to The time Harry Kidnapped Flash, Mary Jane and Aunt May. telling Peter that one of them would die. that was a specific storyline in the comics.

I do understand some of your feelings and misgivings but it's down to interpretation. It seems that you would like them to follow the comic book pattern and formula of the 616, whereas the movie universe doesn't have to do that. i tend to look at the movie universe as an alternate universe to the 616. therefore it's easy to accept any changes they make. just think of this as Earth-287592 (After-all Marvel just make the numbers up as they have no barring on anything).

 

[The Joker]

Why? Because it craps all over the comic books. One of the most beloved stories and characters in Spidey history. It ends up being a great and tragic revenge story.

Norman is the father of Peter's best friend, making the battles a lot more intense. It makes Peter's meetings with un-Goblin Osborn a bit intense.
Osborn is a sick **** who ends up murdering Peter's true love and ends up dying himself (in a great iconic way I might add).

Harry, Peter's best friend becomes the Green Goblin and it makes their battles a lot more tragic, since they were once friends and now at eachother's throats.
Harry would never, I repeat NEVER harm Gwen like that. He even told MJ flat out he wouldn't ever hurt anyone innocent. Peter/Spider-Man was his only vendetta.

Now we have in this film, Harry coming in, and according to viewers, having barely any time with Peter on screen as friends, becoming a villain (a stupid looking one at that, who doesn't resemble any Green Goblin I have ever seen) for the stupid reason of "I'm sick I need your blood lol oh look there's Gwen OH HEY YOU MUST BE PETER", MURDERING Gwen Stacy and being a smug little prick about it at the end. That is not Harry Osborn. Harry robbed Norman of everything major that the comics built him up as. Starting the Goblin legacy, killing Peter's love.

 

[JackWhite]

How long is the final fight with Peter and Harry?

 

[BlackFox]

How long is the final fight with Peter and Harry?

2-3 minutes

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Straight up, how much is Green Goblin's screen time? Feels about 6 mins.

 

[Visceral]

It was one of the main points I have with the film is that it never really adds up to anything. The performances are good but they never really are given any plausible characterization.

Dehaan was great bu.t the character gets mad that spider-man wont share his blood with him, even tho there is no way for him to know that he will be saved from said blood. That's ****ed up.

I agree Franco's version was better. Much more torn between the father he wanted to impress, and the friend who was always loyal to him.

 

[The Slang]

I would've liked to see more Goblin. Wasn't there a deleted scene where he attacks Oscorp? In the trailer we have that shot of Goblin descending in front of Felicia. Probably should have left that in.

 

[Raphi]

I absolutely loved Harry in this movie but yeah they could've done more with his Goblin. I don't think that the fact that he'll be used in sequels is a good excuse, either they should've just given us a tiny tease towards it or given us a little more.

I seriously want a Director's Cut/extended edition of this movie. So much was cut out.

 

[matt47]

If theres a extened cut i will cry

And if there isnt...i eill cry

I cry easily

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, unlike some.... I never had a real issue with Harry taking on the mantle of Goblin before his dad in his take.

My biggest issues about this are mainly that it really feels like the only reason why the "Goblin" persona showed up in the first placed is because they really wanted to do the

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death of Gwen Stacy story-line, and they weren't even completely successful with that in my honest opinion when it came to how Goblin was used for that sequence.

And Goblin, was without a doubt, the most weakest villain that I've ever seen within any Spider-Man film period. I mean I've never seen a villain of Spider-Man defeated so easily and so quickly on film before.

I honestly feel like the reason why they've presented such low-grade villains when it comes to depth is because they want to focus more on the idea of a sinister six combination and not allow one single villain to really shine on their own.

 

[The Endless]

Why do people say "Oh don't worry we'll see more of them in the next film"

That isn't a good enough excuse. A film, whether it's the first or second in a trilogy, has to stand on it's own. It shouldn't expect or assume we've watched the first or will watch the last.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Why? Because it craps all over the comic books. One of the most beloved stories and characters in Spidey history. It ends up being a great and tragic revenge story.

Norman is the father of Peter's best friend, making the battles a lot more intense. It makes Peter's meetings with un-Goblin Osborn a bit intense.
Osborn is a sick **** who ends up murdering Peter's true love and ends up dying himself (in a great iconic way I might add).

Harry, Peter's best friend becomes the Green Goblin and it makes their battles a lot more tragic, since they were once friends and now at eachother's throats.
Harry would never, I repeat NEVER harm Gwen like that. He even told MJ flat out he wouldn't ever hurt anyone innocent. Peter/Spider-Man was his only vendetta.

Now we have in this film, Harry coming in, and according to viewers, having barely any time with Peter on screen as friends, becoming a villain (a stupid looking one at that, who doesn't resemble any Green Goblin I have ever seen) for the stupid reason of "I'm sick I need your blood lol oh look there's Gwen OH HEY YOU MUST BE PETER", MURDERING Gwen Stacy and being a smug little prick about it at the end. That is not Harry Osborn. Harry robbed Norman of everything major that the comics built him up as. Starting the Goblin legacy, killing Peter's love.

Totally agreed . This is what I've been saying all along.

 

[Morbius]

Why do people say "Oh don't worry we'll see more of them in the next film"

That isn't a good enough excuse. A film, whether it's the first or second in a trilogy, has to stand on it's own. It shouldn't expect or assume we've watched the first or will watch the last.

Regardless of this, and it is a good point, TASM2 does stand up on its own. It even ties up the lose ends of TASM1 (even introducing them in the first place for audiences who have never seen the first one) to the extent that it makes TASM1 from a narrative POV actually redundant.

The goblin having a short introduction at the end of TASM2 does not mean that the movie as a whole doesn't stand up on its own. His time was brief, frustratingly so, but not a gamebreaker.

 

[Morbius]

How long is the final fight with Peter and Harry?

The entirety of Goblin's screentime is actually the length of the song, "I'm Goblin", apart from a very brief scene where he transforms.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

I was so optimistic for this character arc two years ago.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=23714675&postcount=834

Now we have a chance to see Green Goblin done right, the relationships done right, the action scenes between the Goblin and Spider-man done right. If the re-telling of the origin didn't work for me I'd be singing a different tune but everything worked for me in the reboot. Now I'm looking forward to some new chapters in the Spider-man saga.

Now I find out I waited two years for 5 minutes or less of Goblin screen time and he's easily defeated

 

[sontin]

You get the second or third Green Goblin without the history between Peter and Norman.

This Goblin has nothing to do with the one from ASM.

 

[JayTee]

So you guys all couldn't stand The Dark Knight then right? What a waste of Two-Face right? Too much going on in the movie right?

As for Harry being Goblin first, I'm cool with it. I'm sick to death of Norman Osborn anyway. He's never had a consistent portrayal. He was an evil businessman in the Ditko issues for half a second before kidnapping Spider-Man, learning his identity and then spending the rest of the Romita era with convenient amnesia so he was an okay guy then remembers he's evil. Then he died for seriously over 20 real-time years, comes back as a desperate ploy in the end of the clone saga and is "behind everything!!!!!!" and constantly this omnipresent annoying force culminating in "Sins Past", the most sickening Spidey story I've ever read. From then on has been pretty much Marvel's Lex Luthor instead of the Green Goblin.

Forget Norman. Harry's more fun. I like the tragic son vs son angle of this movie.

 

[Stegron_Strikes]

Ordinarily I'm not one for petitions when it comes to movies and television, but in this case...

If we got a bunch of people to sign a petition for a director's cut on blu-ray, I can guarantee Sony would see dollar signs and get it done. GUARANTEE.

Let's face it, they're pretty hard up for cash as is, if they see a bunch of people clamoring for an extended cut, they'll do it in a heartbeat.

 

[JayTee]

This I can get behind^ I loved the movie but would totally watch a directors cut.

 

[The Joker]

So you guys all couldn't stand The Dark Knight then right? What a waste of Two-Face right? Too much going on in the movie right?

Two Face had more screen time in his little chat with the Joker in the hospital alone, than Goblin had in the whole TASM 2 movie. He was practically a cameo.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

So you guys all couldn't stand The Dark Knight then right? What a waste of Two-Face right? Too much going on in the movie right?

As for Harry being Goblin first, I'm cool with it. I'm sick to death of Norman Osborn anyway. He's never had a consistent portrayal. He was an evil businessman in the Ditko issues for half a second before kidnapping Spider-Man, learning his identity and then spending the rest of the Romita era with convenient amnesia so he was an okay guy then remembers he's evil. Then he died for seriously over 20 real-time years, comes back as a desperate ploy in the end of the clone saga and is "behind everything!!!!!!" and constantly this omnipresent annoying force culminating in "Sins Past", the most sickening Spidey story I've ever read. From then on has been pretty much Marvel's Lex Luthor instead of the Green Goblin.

Forget Norman. Harry's more fun. I like the tragic son vs son angle of this movie.

We're not talking about comics here. I don't care what various comics in the past have done with Norman's character. All I know is Norman Osborn has only been featured in the Spider-man movies one time. Just because the comics took different directions over the years doesn't mean the movies can't get him right.

And I'm one of the few who didn't care for TDK. Still don't.

 

[chaseter]

Goblin didn't actually kill gwen though, so there's that

He was the cause. That's like saying you didn't kill a person by throwing them into the middle of the ocean and that it was actually someone else's fault for not saving them.

 

[chaseter]

Why do people say "Oh don't worry we'll see more of them in the next film"

That isn't a good enough excuse. A film, whether it's the first or second in a trilogy, has to stand on it's own. It shouldn't expect or assume we've watched the first or will watch the last.

That's the exact same thing that people were saying about ASM1 hahaha. Wait until ASM2 comes out!