The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Who thinks The Green Goblin should have been in this film longer

[TayDee]

Just because you guys wanted more Goblin doesn't mean that there needed to be more Goblin. His motivations were reasonable and that's all that matters. The only complaint that's reasonable is the fight scene which I agree was too short.

 

[The Joker]

Just because you guys wanted more Goblin doesn't mean that there needed to be more Goblin.

Just because you think his glorified cameo was enough for a main villain doesn't mean it was.

His motivations were reasonable and that's all that matters.

Hardly. You can give a character the best motive in the world, but if you don't do much with the character besides use them as a punching piece for a couple of minutes then it's a waste.

 

[TayDee]

Harry was the focus and he did great in the role.

 

[JayTee]

We're not talking about comics here. I don't care what various comics in the past have done with Norman's character. All I know is Norman Osborn has only been featured in the Spider-man movies one time. Just because the comics took different directions over the years doesn't mean the movies can't get him right.

And I'm one of the few who didn't care for TDK. Still don't.

Fair enough! I don't mind no Norman. And yeah, TDK is overrated. Good movie. Mediocre Batman movie.

 

[JackWhite]

I will be reassessing my expectations for this film before I see it. Hearing Harry's Goblin has pretty much the equivalent of a cameo has really left me feeling numb. At least I know what to expect!

 

[Victarion]

Just because you think his glorified cameo was enough for a main villain doesn't mean it was.



Hardly. You can give a character the best motive in the world, but if you don't do much with the character besides use them as a punching piece for a couple of minutes then it's a waste.

Does the film ever indicate why Peter couldn't just give Harry the blood sample?

 

[The Joker]

Does the film ever indicate why Peter couldn't just give Harry the blood sample?

Just Peter's excuse that it could have dangerous repercussions.

 

[Victarion]

Seems like something OsCorp's tech could clear up.

 

[The Slang]

Does the film ever indicate why Peter couldn't just give Harry the blood sample?

Spidey tells Harry that if their blood is incompatible it could kill him. Then Peter learns from his father's video diary that the spider that bit him (and those like it) were engineered using Richard Parker's DNA, and that the spiders are only affective on someone from his bloodline. It's a bit like Ang Lee's Hulk I guess. Only Parker could be Spider-man because his dad experimented on the spiders using his own genes.
I have no idea why Oscorp would be using human spider hybrids to make webs (which is what they were doing in ASM) but it's revealed in this movie that their venom was also a super soldier serum.

When Harry later gains access to the spider venom without the help of Parker, he injects it and immediately becomes disfigured, indicating that it didn't work.
So should Harry really even be angry at Parker at the end?

 

[webhead731]

Really Harry wouldn't harm anyone innocent. I direct you to The time Harry Kidnapped Flash, Mary Jane and Aunt May. telling Peter that one of them would die. that was a specific storyline in the comics.

 

[Syncer]

I personally don't mind having Harry Osborn being the Goblin first. I actually don't really like the character of Norman Osborn (don't get mad), so it is a bit refreshing to see a different take. Of course, hearing about Goblin's short time is kind of disappointing. They cut off so much good Goblin stuff from the film that I think most people which they hadn't.

This Harry is much more sinister than the one in the comics or recent adaptations. And don't they allude to the fact that Norman Osborn was the Green Goblin in his earlier years?

 

[Joe_Kickass]

Just because you guys wanted more Goblin doesn't mean that there needed to be more Goblin. His motivations were reasonable and that's all that matters. The only complaint that's reasonable is the fight scene which I agree was too short.

His literally pops up for about 2 minutes and that's it. In fact he was in the movie so briefly that all of his scenes were already shown in the trailers. There was so many leaps in logic with the film. Nothing really felt organic or natural, things felt written in order for there to progress, the little that there actually was in the film, the plot. It's one of the most heavy handed CBMs I've seen in awhile.

 

[JayTee]

Max and Harry were both psychopaths. I'm not getting this recent trend in fiction to have every action of a villain 100% justified. Do you stop and think about "why" some lunatic shoots up a playground? Even if you found out why, would you give a crap?

Also. Harry was a nut job in the comics I grew up reading. "The child within", the dinner party issue, Spectacular 200 etc. I actually prefer him as Green Goblin in his peak than the mess that is the character of Norman. (Except the spectacular cartoon. Norman was aces there.)

 

[webhead731]

Max and Harry were both psychopaths. I'm not getting this recent trend in fiction to have every action of a villain 100% justified. Do you stop and think about "why" some lunatic shoots up a playground? Even if you found out why, would you give a crap?

You can't just slap "crazy" on something and suddenly it makes it good.

 

[Gavan]

Tell that to Raimi.

Or Stan Lee.

 

[webhead731]

Tell that to Raimi.

Or Stan Lee.

Totes.

 

[Gavan]

Anytime.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

After seeing it, yes, Green Goblin should have been in it more but I enjoyed with what they put out. Showcasing the tech, the disease within Harry and more so Norman. (His claws and look were so spooky.) It left me wanting more in a good way.

 

[The Endless]

Max and Harry were both psychopaths. I'm not getting this recent trend in fiction to have every action of a villain 100% justified. Do you stop and think about "why" some lunatic shoots up a playground? Even if you found out why, would you give a crap?

Also. Harry was a nut job in the comics I grew up reading. "The child within", the dinner party issue, Spectacular 200 etc. I actually prefer him as Green Goblin in his peak than the mess that is the character of Norman. (Except the spectacular cartoon. Norman was aces there.)

Read Warren Ellis' T-Bolts run. It distils why Norman is such a great character and the best Green Goblin into a handful of issues.

 

[LizardMan07]

Teekay did say there was a scene where he bombed oscorp after transforming, would have been better if they kept that? I think it may have been better to have this movie focus on the rise of electro, have Harry and Peter build a relationship and finish the Gwen arc in the next film, but I guess they decided to go with this.

The Green Goblin's fast appearance, if anything, did add to the tension of the last act of the film if it makes sense? Especially how they used him, really got your heart beating. I'm not too fussed either way but I can see how it annoyed people who prefer their villians to get a bit more screentime.

I enjoyed the movie as a spiderman fan, but I think things could have been done to impress people with higher standards, whilst still keeping the movie entertaining for spiderman fanatics like me

 

[Tel]

That doesn't count. at that point Harry was delusional and insane due to the goblin serum. evidenced by him placing MJ in harms way to demonstrate he could never harm her. In the next couple of Panels MAry Jane falls of the GW bridge and Harry yells MARY JANE!

Just because a madman tells you he won't kill you. it doesn't mean he won't kill you

 

[The Joker]

That doesn't count.

Yes it does. It's one of the most relevant Harry issues.

at that point Harry was delusional and insane due to the goblin serum. evidenced by him placing MJ in harms way to demonstrate he could never harm her.

In what way did he put her in harm's way?

In the next couple of Panels MAry Jane falls of the GW bridge and Harry yells MARY JANE!

What are you talking about? That does not happen. The rest of the scene is them sitting there having a chat, before MJ asks him to take her home, which he does.

I can scan the whole scene and post it if you doubt me.

Just because a madman tells you he won't kill you. it doesn't mean he won't kill you

In this case it was true. Harry never tried to kill her. That's a fact.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Goblin should have been in the movie much more, in the end the way they used him just seemed disappointing, especially after what he did, he didnt even get a good fight scene.

The next movie should focus on him, as in the little we got DeHaan was awesome.

 

[matt47]

I'll admit though, the Goblin fight was probably one of the most heart racing, edge of my seat fights in any comic book movie.

 

[Jaxon]

Firstly, isn't Norman Green Goblin and Harry Hobgoblin in the lore?
Anyways, I thought the fight lasted exactly as it should. Harry is completely inexperienced with the tech and in fighting so it made sense he would be clumsy and not stand up to a now seasoned Spider-Man. The serum although disfiguring Harry does it not also drive a psychosis? So I'm happy with that to explain Harry's continuing hunt of Spider-Man.