whos to blame? fox, ratner , writers?

[CapBeerCino]

^ Well that's an easy one. Her X-Uniform were wrapped in a cocoon of energy

I saw x-1 the other night with Singer's commentaries, and he said the most important thing for him was to take the x-world seriously because he knows the fans take it seriously .

Then comes along the new cast and adds the "cocoon of energy". *twitch*

 

[ms.vix]

CapBeerCino^ Well that's an easy one. Her X-Uniform were wrapped in a cocoon of energy

I saw x-1 the other night with Singer's commentaries, and he said the most important thing for him was to take the x-world seriously because he knows the fans take it seriously .

Then comes along the new cast and adds the "cocoon of energy". *twitch*
you make me smile!

sigh... what a movie....

 

[Dope Nose]

Edit: ignore this post. found the picture I had posted in another thread.

here's the link the the picture so the post below makes sense.

http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060605.html

 

[ms.vix]

ugh, I hate poop jokes

but yeah, there ya go!

 

[ntcrawler]

I don't have a dirty mind so don't take this the wrong way; but how is it that Jean died and came back wearing a spankin' brand new X-Uniform without even cuts or tears? (this has been broght up numerous times, I know)
She resurrected in style, baby! (sarcasm)

Well to be honest that's not really a nitpick that would make the movie collapse upon itself, I mean come on, she was hit by millions of tons of water. Think she drowned? Think she even had time to drown? More like being squeezed and broken up into tiny little pieces and fragments. The same force that allowed her to survive and come back, the same force that rebuilt her body would also have rebuild her uniform. Don't forget she also had a broken leg when she died but it was OK again when she came back. And of course her hair grew longer and became a different color.
I've seen different scenarios that people wrote about her coming back. Some were like you see in the movie. Others have her shooting out into the sky and landing next to Scott. In some other versions he finds her passed out by the shore, and in one version she was covered in brambles and seaweed and debree and had to clean her up. But at least they're all consistent and involve a fiery Phoenix like display of energy and momentary fire in her eyes.

 

[ms.vix]

Yeah, I'm just complaining for the sake of complaining now! I did like Jean's wild red hair. But you gotta admit, that bright pink piping on her uniform wasn't there at the end in X-2. Continuity people! (stupid nitpick)

I don't know how I would write Jean's resurrection, it would have to be something that really sticks in you mind and leaves an impression on you after all is said and done. Did any of you get that in X-3?

It's hard to write a movie like this, there is so much to be taken into consideration! How these actors could even begin to cope with all the deaths and cures that went on is beyond me.

Because of all the deaths and cures, I believe the writers and actors got distracted from how real people would deal with it. Scott? They pushed him off completely.

I don't believe any movie with as many actors and plot lines as this one had, are capable of coming close to being natural and at the same time being steady paced. Instead, the scenes are choppy and short, we only get a glimpse at some characters and the way they deal with things, while others are over done and over dramatized.

The movie was too short to begin with, Ratner could have hooked the audience with an extra 15-20 min or so, enough time to tie up all the loose ends and justify the characters from the first two films.


but enough of my negative nancy attitude!

 

[ms.vix]

doesn't matter anyway, Mdizzle and I are re-making the film

Kitty and Storm are taken, everyone else is welcome to audition for other other roles

 

[CapBeerCino]

doesn't matter anyway, Mdizzle and I are re-making the film

Kitty and Storm are taken, everyone else is welcome to audition for other other roles

Do you have to be a guy to play Cyclops?

 

[ntcrawler]

doesn't matter anyway, Mdizzle and I are re-making the film

Kitty and Storm are taken, everyone else is welcome to audition for other other roles

Hey, great idea! haha. Actually it's not that preposterous, it's been done before. There's a group of fans who were royally upset with the Catwoman movie. They also happened to be filmmakers themselves and made their own Catwoman film which attempts to tell the story "right". Check out it online sometime, it's called Catwoman: Copycat.

All you need to do is tick off the right people with the right resources and interesting things can happen

 

[ms.vix]

Well, Mdizzle doesn't have to be white to be Kitty, I don't have to black to be Storm, so....

SURE you can!!

 

[UraniaChang]

What was Phoenix really thinking in the final battle?
[Option One: Scott was really dead]
Jean:Gee....what was I thinking? Why did I resurrect from the beginning? See, they are all idiots! Running around like it's halloween for God's sake! And I killed the one I love and the only smart one in this world! Might as well return to the death world to be with Scott.....I'm sure he's waiting for me.

[Option Two: Scott was actually safe and sound in a cocoon]
Jean: Baby, don't worry, I'll resurrect again once this inner b**ch of mine is taken care of.......What? You don't want me to get hurt by Wolverine? But we have to make him useful with those claws...or Fox will get pissed, what else can he do? Don't worry, we'll get our own moments in next movie.


Somtimes, I think Wolverine should be thankful to Weapon X.....without the metal skeleton I doubt he'll be 10% tough as he is.

 

[borinquenknight]

Do you have to be a guy to play Cyclops?

Not if you look like Salma Hayek and only wear the visor!

 

[ntcrawler]

Not if you look like Salma Hayek and only wear the visor!

Gender isn't important. After all, they got a man to play Arclight

 

[javon]

I would too, except with this movie it's clear that studio politics actually managed to interfere with the film's plot.

I guess your right. They actually looked on the site to see what the fans wanted and only got about 30% of that right.

 

[ntcrawler]

i'd like to mention also:

why not give cyclops a background story in this movie, since, y'know, it's the last the audience will see of him? it would not have justified what happened to him, but it would have numbed the pain.... a little....

btw on the official site it says Scott has a brother with similar powers. i mean, that's a nice mention of family on his part, but they don't do anything with it.

not saying havok should be in this, but a flashback with his brother would have been nice

Ms Viw, an excellent idea! I thought this would have made a nice flashback scene as well. Right after the "20 years ago" flashback to where Charles and Eric first meet Jean, do a "15 years ago" flashback involving a scene where Scott first meets Jean. Maybe it's a new class introduction, or maybe they're having lunch together. It doesn't have to be long, could be just as simple as them meeting each other face to face and shaking hands, either introducing themselves or letteng Prof X do it for them. Or expand it a bit, let them talk for a minute or two and find some cute way to describe their powers:

Jean: "So why do you wear those glasses?"
Scott: "It's due to my mutation"
Jean: "What, you have X-Ray vision or something?"
Scott: "No, they're concussion beams. I can blast a wall out with one look"
Jean: [eyes wide] "That's pretty cool"
Scott: "So what do you do?"
Jean: [puts down spoon, props chin on hand. Spoon lifts up, digs into food and goes into her mouth, all casual like] "I can move things with my mind."
Scott: "Whoa, that's neat!"
Jean: "I can also read minds. I know what you did last summer."
Scott: "I... I...I like you"
Jean: "You're silly. I think we'll get along"

And then cut back to him moping in his room thinking about Jean.

And yeah, I was wondering about Scott's brother. They put together a background but there's no mention of him, at least not yet. A couple people came up with an interesting story or two where it's actually thanks to Alex's effort that Scott is found and rescued. He took over where the other X-Men gave up and failed. Thank goodness for siblings like that

 

[ntcrawler]

oops, I'm blushing . Well, teaches me for not getting my facts straight. I was always under the impression that if you head north from NY, Alkali Lake was somewhere up in Canada.

No no that's quite all right. I thought the same thing too. If you think about it it would actually make things much easier if Alkali lake was on the East coast. Otherwise these people really travel huge distances and treat it like a drive around the block. that's quite an impressive feat to go cross country by motorcycle and look so clean and fresh when you arrive, haha. Having it on the west coast also means you lose alot of time and some events really have to be squeezed in together to make it all fit within the plot.

Two major plot lines like the Cure and the Phoenix should not be put into one movie, they're both too important!

I'd agree, Magneto's got nothing on Phoenix, she's the primary threat. He can manipulate the matter metal, she can manipulate the matter of everything.

Yeah exactly. The whole concept behind the cure could have made it an interesting moral battle. Unfortutately the threat of the Phoenix seemed to push that aside. THe only person who was really affected by it was Rogue, and to be honest I wish someone would have told her, especially Wolverine, that although they sympathize with her problem that there's some serious crap about to go down, and maybe she should wait until it blows over.

Magneto is a killer, the two stories established that before with Rogue and Xavier. But with X-3, I think Magneto's intelligence took a dive when he witnessed Jean Grey kill his "old friend" and still wanted to strike up a friendship with her. Duh! Didn't he start getting a clue that Jeannie was slightly "off" when she toyed with him in the forest with the cure darts? Mags! If you're gonna be evil, at least be smart about it!!

I honestly don't know why he wanted her so much on his side. From the movie, she contributed absolutely nothing to his cause or to his battle. Hell she didn't do anything in the battle until at the very end she finally snapped and went berzerk. And at that point no one benefitted from it. She turned into some kind of out of control doomsday machine that needed to be destroyed. Nice move, Magneto. It was all his fault. If he hadn't opened his big fat mouth most of this could have been avoided. I wish Wolverine grabbed him by the collar and pointed that out to him.

If Storm, and Wolverine are so against the Cure, why did these hypocrites end up using it on another mutant? That was out of place, I was sorely disappointed with this. It's not that I'm mad that Magneto was cured, I'm mad that the X-Men would fall from their own outstanding moral statements and choose to use the means which they despise beyond hate, and end up using the cure on a fellow mutant.

Yes and no. I can see why they would have used it on Magneto. His powers were obviously getting in the way of their mission and they needed a way to stop him once and for all. Plus look at the irony: Magneto became the very thing he despises, the very thing he considered himself to be better than. He became... human.
My biggest regret is that they didn't do the same with Jean. She was supposed to be undergoing an evolution that was now clearly out of control. She was becoming something more powerful, and dangerous than anyone could have possibly imagined. She was losing her humanity. Curing her would have been a very dramatic way of reminding her that deep down inside, she was still only human, and that real power doesn't come from a mutant's special abilities, but fromsomething else more precious.
And heck, she did ask to be saved, not killed like in the infirmary.

 

[Mdizzle]

Hey, I'm back, missed a whole whack of posts lol.

Yeah I agree, "curing Jean" would have brought back her humanity. Near impossible to get close to her though, but with Wolverine making his way to kill her...she easily could have ashed him beyond his regenerative capabilities, so obviously there was still a piece of Jean in her that didn't consciously wanna cause him harm. Interesting...

Heh heh, the movie...If you're Cyclops you'll get more screen time in this one, for sure. Kitty will definitely not be the girl next door this time, heheh.

 

[ntcrawler]

Hey, I'm back, missed a whole whack of posts lol.

Yeah I agree, "curing Jean" would have brought back her humanity. Near impossible to get close to her though, but with Wolverine making his way to kill her...she easily could have ashed him beyond his regenerative capabilities, so obviously there was still a piece of Jean in her that didn't consciously wanna cause him harm. Interesting...

Heh heh, the movie...If you're Cyclops you'll get more screen time in this one, for sure. Kitty will definitely not be the girl next door this time, heheh.

Wolverine just thinks too much with his claws instead of his brain haha, I'm all up for more Cyclops screen time. Just please, go easy and don't hurt Slim too much. You can beat him up real bad just don't kill him

 

[ntcrawler]

Hey, I'm back, missed a whole whack of posts lol.

Yeah I agree, "curing Jean" would have brought back her humanity. Near impossible to get close to her though, but with Wolverine making his way to kill her...she easily could have ashed him beyond his regenerative capabilities, so obviously there was still a piece of Jean in her that didn't consciously wanna cause him harm. Interesting...

Oh, and it doesn't have to be as cheesy as people would have it seem. After all, there are tantalizing clues that the Cure isn't as permament as it was tauted to be by Worthington Labs. Imagine all the fun you could have when the chars realize their powers are coming back, especially Jean. You could have a cool scene where she does something she was sure was by now impossible, like someone throws something at her or something's about to fall on her and she deflects it telekinetically and realizes what she did, or she's looking out the window at night and for a brief glimpse it looks like her eyes flash with fire. How's that for a cliffhanger going into the next film?

 

[Mdizzle]

^^ having that last scene with Mags and the chess pieces was good I think. You get a sense of his vulnerability as a human, and it also sets things up nicely, seeing as he still has some magnetic control. Curing Jean would be interesting too, at that time she would really be able to reflect on what's happened, and really mourn the loss of Scott ("oh god what have I done?"), etc.

 

[ntcrawler]

^^ having that last scene with Mags and the chess pieces was good I think. You get a sense of his vulnerability as a human, and it also sets things up nicely, seeing as he still has some magnetic control. Curing Jean would be interesting too, at that time she would really be able to reflect on what's happened, and really mourn the loss of Scott ("oh god what have I done?"), etc.

Yeah, I thought that scene was actualy pretty good. You look at Magneto, totally destroyed. He realizes how foolish he was. He wanted a war. And the only thing he got out of the war was alot of the wrong people dying, including his former best friend. And not only was he now deprived of his powers, but of someone close who actually would visit him and play chess with him. Now he was truly alone.
And yes, taking away the immediate threat would make it just that bit easier to try and work with Jean, and have her come to grips with what happened and what she did. No doubt she'd be pretty traumatized and messed up. It would be interesting to see how the other chars, if at all, reach out to her besides Logan. And at some point once you're ready, the mansion could get a phone call from a hospital in Alberta with news that would make her want to live again.

 

[Mdizzle]

... I knew he wasn't dead! haha. Do you think they'll bring her back if they have an X4? I don't know how well things would go, it would be like X3 all over again, what with another resurrection. Hopefully there could be some focus on moving on, at least in the sense of where the mansion has gone and the new XMen are concerned. I thought X3 would have shown say Rogue and Bobby stepping up more into these roles, especially since they showed a lot of promise in X2 and even by the scene with the president, it was obvious that they intended to become XMen at some point. Hmm, interesting.

 

[ms.vix]

That's a really amusing thought about Havoc finding Cyclops....


Picture it---


Alex: "Hey, Storm! Where's Scott?"

Ororo: "...Who?"

Alex: "Scott," (confused look on his face) "y'know, the oh-so-lovable tight-ass."

Ororo: "..." (eyebrow raised in question)

Alex: "My brother?"

Ororo: "Oh...!!! Right!"

Alex: "Something wrong, Storm?"

Ororo: "Uh, look Alex, I guess since I've been so busy being headmistress of the school and leader of the X-Men--"

Alex: "Wait a sec! Headmistress? Leader of the X-Men?"

Ororo: "Alex, it's not what you think! I didn't ask for this!" (Halle looking guilty)

Alex: "Where's Scott?"

Ororo: "Um..."

(Later that day...)

Alex: "So you didn't even go looking for him??"

Ororo: "Alex, he's gone."

Alex: "Yeah, that's what you said about Jean, and how did that work out for you?"

Wolverine: "Look bub, Scott's dead, we did what we could for Jeannie"

Alex: "this coming from the guy who shish kebobed her?"

Wolverine: "Don't mess with me! I got claws and---"

(Alex uses his powers to smash Wolvie against the wall)

Alex: "Screw you guys, I'm gonna go look for my brother."


END


Clearly there was some sarcasm in that. Understand, I'm not a Storm or Wolverine hater, just a frustrated X-Men fan.


I like your idea of a flashback, ntcrawler, Scott and Jean meeting for the first time would have given us something personal, not to mention show how Cyclops' death was a BIG deal.

There's a lot of people who don't like Scott because he's a tight-ass, a man in control. Wolverine is a loose cannon, and nowadays that's the "in-thing", which is fine. If you like wolvie better, good for you, but please don't de-value Cyclops' worth to the X-Men just cuz you're a Wolverine fanboy. It would be like me laughing my butt off that Storm was killed and Rogue got a huge part, I wouldn't do that! (Rogue is my fave)

PS Arclight being a man joke was really funny. Kudos to ya!

 

[Majik1387]

That's a really amusing thought about Havoc finding Cyclops....


Picture it---


Alex: "Hey, Storm! Where's Scott?"

Ororo: "...Who?"

Alex: "Scott," (confused look on his face) "y'know, the oh-so-lovable tight-ass."

Ororo: "..." (eyebrow raised in question)

Alex: "My brother?"

Ororo: "Oh...!!! Right!"

Alex: "Something wrong, Storm?"

Ororo: "Uh, look Alex, I guess since I've been so busy being headmistress of the school and leader of the X-Men--"

Alex: "Wait a sec! Headmistress? Leader of the X-Men?"

Ororo: "Alex, it's not what you think! I didn't ask for this!" (Halle looking guilty)

Alex: "Where's Scott?"

Ororo: "Um..."

(Later that day...)

Alex: "So you didn't even go looking for him??"

Ororo: "Alex, he's gone."

Alex: "Yeah, that's what you said about Jean, and how did that work out for you?"

Wolverine: "Look bub, Scott's dead, we did what we could for Jeannie"

Alex: "this coming from the guy who shish kebobed her?"

Wolverine: "Don't mess with me! I got claws and---"

(Alex uses his powers to smash Wolvie against the wall)

Alex: "Screw you guys, I'm gonna go look for my brother."


END


Clearly there was some sarcasm in that. Understand, I'm not a Storm or Wolverine hater, just a frustrated X-Men fan.

This is kind of how I brought Havok into my X4 story, but mine's not as funny.

 

[ntcrawler]

This is kind of how I brought Havok into my X4 story, but mine's not as funny.

I believe I read yours, that's why I mentioned it here. Having seen the rest of the teams half-hearted attempt to search and find out what happened to Scott, it's nice to know he has a brother who doesn't give up so easily

The book pictures events in a similar way. They supposedly did a "thorough" aerial and ground search, but then realized that Jean most likely just vaporized him (I love their logic), so there was nothing to look for anyways [shrugs]. I smell something fishy going on