whos to blame? fox, ratner , writers?

[Angamb]

Interesting question.

I think he knows X3 wasn't the best, if not by hisself, by the critics and his friends, family and cinema mates.

But I wonder if he think other characters deserved more. I think he was happy being the center too.

Don't know, I'd like to read something about this in a Hugh interview.

If one day he answers fans questions, someone should ask.

 

[LMason]

I posted this in the Jean Grey/Phoenix thread, but Famke is probably the first on record to actually say what we've (or at least I've) felt about her character. (http://www.indy.com/posts/7605)

Her most famous role as an X-man appears to be over. Although a "Wolverine" spin-off is being filmed, the chances of continuing the Phoenix storyline alluded to in "X-Men: The Last Stand" appear dim. In one of the most revered story arcs in comic book history, Jean Grey is transformed into the world-devouring entity known as the Phoenix.

"I thought that was a pity, because I know how important the Phoenix Saga is to the fans, and I don't think it was addressed properly. It's such a great storyline.""

 

[Rac]

Daredevil got an improved Director's Cut, Fantastic Four got an improved Extended Edition

IMO those didn't improve anything. They were still the same bad films - just longer.

 

[Theweepeople]

Well, I'd like an Extended Edition.

Daredevil got an improved Director's Cut, Fantastic Four got an improved Extended Edition, Supergirl had longer versions released, Oliver Stone recut Alexander twice, and BladeRunner has had a new edition.

Elektra's Director's Cut and Ghost Rider's Director's Cut were not worth doing, but those seem to be rare exceptions. And they didn't work because the main body of the movie is not that good, regardless of what's added or subtracted. I don't think the same applies to X3.

I think the idea would not be to reinforce the idea of studios being able to double-dip but, in some instances, to satisfy fan demand and answer criticisms of the movie to show they are capable of responding, delivering and hopefully learning lessons.

I don't care about an extended cut for any of these comic book films. Elektra was one of the most boring action films I've ever seen. I don't want to see 20 minutes of more boring crap from that film. FF and DD are basically unwatchable now. Everytime those films come on tv I go out of my way to afford seeing them. Finally, 20 minutes of extra GR footage doesn't erase the atrocious acting and 100 plotholes. Without the visuals that movie would have been the worst comic book film of all time.

 

[DeanyMan]

I Blame Superman

 

[Starbird]

I blame Superman, Singer leaving, Rattner's directing, and the writer's horrible dialouge.

Mkay?

 

[The Batman]

penn was trying to be honest? News to me...i followed those Q & A's, and they're both just straight up liars...they practically lied up until the last minute, saying "Sorry if you're disappointed" weeks before the movie came out

 

[turtlefocker]

X2, X-Men the last stand, X-men


Order of X-men films -from best to worst-, in my opinion.

So as you can see.... no one is to blame.

 

[Theweepeople]

penn was trying to be honest? News to me...i followed those Q & A's, and they're both just straight up liars...they practically lied up until the last minute, saying "Sorry if you're disappointed" weeks before the movie came out

I don't like Penn but, to be fair to him his answers to questions seemed pretty straight forward to me. I don't think he lied. On the other hand, Kinberg was lying through his teeth from January of 2006 all the away up until a week and a half before the film came out. I wasn't surprised when he didn't bother coming back after the film was released to answer questions like he promised.

 

[X-Maniac]

Penn and Kinberg were obviously asked/instructed to speak to fans because of the rising anger and dismay over the leaked script with Cyclops' death in it. It must have been difficult to speak about that aspect knowing the level of feeling out there among fans. It would have been better to say nothing, and i think Penn now realises that.

Although I've read the comics for 30 years and would rather Cyclops had been there, it's not so much that his death was wrong (the movies have departed from source since day one) but the lack of ceremony for it was wrong. He was swept out of the way and that's what made the mainstream viewers also annoyed about it. If the death had been handled properly, the fanboys would still have been twittering on and reaching for razorblades but the film as a whole would still have been more meaningful. It gave the impression the film was rushing through key aspects. But more than likely the studio didn't want to make a meal out of the death, which for some people would have been even worse than leaving it open without seeing his actual demise. Either way, they were screwed.

 

[Angamb]

An intersting info:

Ironman has surpass X-men domestically already:

6 Iron Man $237,492,000
7 X-Men: The Last Stand $234,362,462

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=superhero.htm

 

[Storm22]

An intersting info:

Ironman has surpass X-men domestically already:

6 Iron Man $237,492,000
7 X-Men: The Last Stand $234,362,462

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=superhero.htm

So? X3 still did very well, considering the mixed reaction it got. $460 million worldwide is pretty damn impressive imo.

 

[Angamb]

well, being the third film of a well known franchise and Ironman the first one.....

 

[Theweepeople]

So? X3 still did very well, considering the mixed reaction it got. $460 million worldwide is pretty damn impressive imo.

Not in comparison to the first two X-Men films which cost considerably less. $459 million worldwide is not that impressive considering the movie was on pace to make well over 300million domestically after the first weekend and 600million worldwide. Some people in this forum predicted X3 would make over 700million worldwide. There's no disputing the negative word of mouth that killed this movie's overall box office gross.

 

[Theweepeople]

well, being the third film of a well known franchise and Ironman the first one.....

Not to mention IM being a less popular Marvel character that has completely owned a more popular marvel comic movie franchise in 3 weeks. It's quite remarkable that one Iron Man film could outgross all 3 X-Men films individually by this much.

 

[Angamb]

yes...

I'm glad for Ironman, the film deserves it, but at the same time.... I feel sad for the x-men...

 

[Theweepeople]

yes...

I'm glad for Ironman, the film deserves it, but at the same time.... I feel sad for the x-men...

I'm sad that Avi Arad gave the property rights of X-Men to Fox. I have doubts that I'll ever see a great X-Men film. I have no interest in seeing the new Wolverine movie next year. If Fox keeps making X-Men spinoffs we won't be seeing an X-Men reboot for 15 to 20 years.

 

[Angamb]

won't you see Wolverine in theatres? or yes?

 

[Theweepeople]

won't you see Wolverine in theatres? or yes?

I don't have an interest in seeing another movie about an X-Men character who already had 3 movies about him.

Every year I get free movie tickets from the company I work at. If I get tickets around the time of Wolverine's release there is always a possibility that I might see it but, the chances are pretty slim right now. The movie I'm excited to see at the start of next summer is Star Trek(May 8).

 

[Angamb]

ok.

I won't see it in the theatre, only in my computer, hehe.

Sorry, but I won't give my money to Fox because more Wolverine.

 

[X-Maniac]

Not to mention IM being a less popular Marvel character that has completely owned a more popular marvel comic movie franchise in 3 weeks. It's quite remarkable that one Iron Man film could outgross all 3 X-Men films individually by this much.

Not to mention IM being a less popular Marvel character that has completely owned a more popular marvel comic movie franchise in 3 weeks. It's quite remarkable that one Iron Man film could outgross all 3 X-Men films individually by this much.

It's not only remarkable, it's quite sad (for the X-Men, my favourite comicbook characters).

But it doesn't mean Iron Man is perfect (rock music, weak climax, Stane a bit one-dimensional). It means Iron Man has hit the spot, and the theme of revenge on the Middle East has been a big part of that, make no mistake. A broad and topical theme in a well-made movie with spot-on casting and comicbook accuracy = big hit.

With X-Men, we never had origins for the key characters (why did they have costumes and a jet? how did that underground complex get built?) and the themes were not topical. If they'd gone for the environmental theme as in one early script it would have more relevant (read Jean Grey's Senate speech in this treatment linked on my blog here http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2008/05/the-xmen-movie-that-never-was.html or a direct link here http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/xmenscript0215.pdf). In that script man was destroying the planet and mutations were emerging in order for man to survive the world he was changing because his own artificial adaptations with technology couldn't keep up. Clearly, the first movie and all subsequent movies were launchpads for Wolverine.

Whether the proposed Young X-Men movie can fix that is anyone's guess.

But Iron Man has tapped into something. The fact he looked exactly like he'd stepped from the comics was one big help. Plus, there is no strong director's vision all over this film - the character comes first, not the director. Even with Batman Begins, you are watching Nolan as much as you are watching Batman.

 

[X-Maniac]

I'm sad that Avi Arad gave the property rights of X-Men to Fox. I have doubts that I'll ever see a great X-Men film. I have no interest in seeing the new Wolverine movie next year. If Fox keeps making X-Men spinoffs we won't be seeing an X-Men reboot for 15 to 20 years.

Marvel sold the rights when they needed the money. But I wonder why they don't retain more control over the films. Surely their characters have to be properly represented?

 

[X-Maniac]

well, being the third film of a well known franchise and Ironman the first one.....

An X-Men movie made in today's supehero 'climate' would do much better. There would be less caution and more respect.

We'd have a proper origin movie, and perhaps Wolverine in there too, but it would be more balanced and true to the material.

 

[Angamb]

I'm not sure at all if the mouth to mouth made X3 final boxoffice ended like that.

In some form, I hope it.

and about a future sequel, maybe I'm too much optimist, but I think it will have a better boxoffice.

X4 would come like 5 years after X3 or more, so the movie could have more hype yet, and the audience could be more interested... it would be like "wow, they've made the four episode!", hehe.

what do you think?

 

[Storm22]

I do agree that Avi Arad is a gigantic ass and it's disappointing that the X-Men rights are stuck with Fox for the foreseeable future. While I enjoyed the X-Men trilogy I have no interest in seeing Wolverine next year and would be very skeptical about the chances of success of future Fox owned X-Men movies.