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Majik1387 said:
^Yeah it has more characters than X-3 but they all get their due. Plus my story is also supposed to continue the series.

Please confirm that your story takes place immediately after X2. As a matter of fact while Prof X is instructing the students. Right after he Mentions: "The Once Future King" just to make sure Fox doesn't come in and inject Wolveroids into the vein of your Greek God of a story! Sorry I'm still going through bitterness withdrawals.
 
borinquenknight said:
Please confirm that your story takes place immediately after X2. As a matter of fact while Prof X is instructing the students. Right after he Mentions: "The Once Future King" just to make sure Fox doesn't come in and inject Wolveroids into the vein of your Greek God of a story! Sorry I'm still going through bitterness withdrawals.

while we're waiting for Majik's story, I can recommend 2 good alternate X3's if you're interested.
 
ntcrawler said:
while we're waiting for Majik's story, I can recommend 2 good alternate X3's if you're interested.

Please. I tried looking for alternate novels at Walden's today withy no luck.
 
borinquenknight said:
Please confirm that your story takes place immediately after X2. As a matter of fact while Prof X is instructing the students. Right after he Mentions: "The Once Future King" just to make sure Fox doesn't come in and inject Wolveroids into the vein of your Greek God of a story! Sorry I'm still going through bitterness withdrawals.

lol. It's okay, you're not alone.

As much as I wasn't a fan of X-3, it takes place afterwards but the Phoenix storyline in X-3 happend but it's not the true one. The true one is coming but not for a while. I'm also bringing back the depowered Magneto and Mystique but not as villains.
 
borinquenknight said:
Please. I tried looking for alternate novels at Walden's today withy no luck.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2261286/1/

Phoenix Rising, by "Juliebmr". Alternate to X3. It was written before X3 came out so the author had no idea what would be in the film. It's surprisingly similar though except for a important elements. It's a fairly simple story, not a great work of Pulitzer Prize literature but she does great with the little details. The reason why I like this one is because she does a good job of showing you the true power and courage that is Jean Grey. No mental blocks, no psychosis, but instead follows closely what was established in X2. For example, this is how Jean reacted in X3 when the issue of powers came up:

"They want to cure you! They want to take away your powers!
Jean: "How dare they! BLARG! I will kill them all!!!"

In "Phoenix Rising", a similar situation comes up. But in this version, Jean does something that will make you want to give her a standing ovation. If it's character development you want, you'll find it here. Whether it involves coming to grips with the Phoenix, or coming to grips with Logans feelings for her.

If you like this one and have some spare time to read an actual novel, boy have I got a good one for you.
 
ntcrawler said:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2261286/1/

Phoenix Rising, by "Juliebmr". Alternate to X3. It was written before X3 came out so the author had no idea what would be in the film. It's surprisingly similar though except for a important elements. It's a fairly simple story, not a great work of Pulitzer Prize literature but she does great with the little details. The reason why I like this one is because she does a good job of showing you the true power and courage that is Jean Grey. No mental blocks, no psychosis, but instead follows closely what was established in X2. For example, this is how Jean reacted in X3 when the issue of powers came up:

"They want to cure you! They want to take away your powers!
Jean: "How dare they! BLARG! I will kill them all!!!"

In "Phoenix Rising", a similar situation comes up. But in this version, Jean does something that will make you want to give her a standing ovation. If it's character development you want, you'll find it here. Whether it involves coming to grips with the Phoenix, or coming to grips with Logans feelings for her.

If you like this one and have some spare time to read an actual novel, boy have I got a good one for you.

Thanks. I'll track it down and will fit it in between fulltime military, evening classes, and family.
 
borinquenknight said:
Thanks. I'll track it down and will fit it in between fulltime military, evening classes, and family.

Just read the first 5 chapters for now. You'll be able to go to bed with a happy smile on your face instead of how you must feel after seeing X3 :)
 
ntcrawler said:
Just read the first 5 chapters for now. You'll be able to go to bed with a happy smile on your face instead of how you must feel after seeing X3 :)

Whoa! Its late but Iread chapter 1 and I'm impressed. Thanks!
 
Well here's the basic cast and their backstory for my storyline. It would be 2-3 movies long.

The aftermath of X-3 left Storm as headmistress of Xavier’s School and leader of the X-Men, Logan became the gym professor, while Beast handled mutant affairs in the UN, and the institute gained a new student, Angel. While Iceman, Colossus, and Shadowcat became fulltime members of the X-Men, Rogue stayed as a student even though she took the cure. There still is some of the love triangle between Bobby, Kitty, and Rogue. Though Nightcrawler left because he couldn’t live the life as an X-Man, he came back and became a teacher at the school. Also newly hired teachers are the depowered Magneto, depowered Mystique, Sean Cassidy (former X-Man Banshee) and Dr. Cecilia Reyes.

Though there already is an X-Men team, there are also X-Men in training for the future. The trainees are Angel, Rictor, Siryn, Jubilee, Dust, Sunspot, the Stepford Cuckoo’s, Pete Wisdom, and Julian Keller. The rest of the student body just go to the school so they don’t have to put up with intolerance in normal school. Angel hangs out mostly with Rogue, Bobby, Kitty, Piotr and Storm‘s nephew Spyke. Rictor, Siryn, Sunspot, and Pete Wisdom mostly hang with Cypher, Cannonball, Moonstar, Karma, and Chamber. Jubilee and Julian are good friends, and their clique include Mercury, Elixir, and Wallflower. The Stepford Cuckoo’s and Dust usually keep to their selves. The rest of the students are Quill, Artie, Leech, Jones, Quentin Quire, Franklin Richards, and Angel Salvatore.

Havok also comes to the school to meet with his brother, Cyclops. Storm apologizes for not contacting him sooner and explains about Cyclops being dead, but no body was ever found. She then invites him to stay at the mansion. Havok not only gets pissed with Storm but he berates her, afterwards leaving in search of his brother. On his way, some of the students help him and two go with him.

After Magneto abandoned who were left on Alcatraz, Pyro survived and started his own Brotherhood, consisting of fellow survivors Juggernaut and Psylocke. His new Brotherhood consist of Gambit, Stacy X, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Polaris, Avalanche, and Toad makes a return. They still believe in Magneto’s view of homo-superior.

After the Liberty Island incident, the Alkali Lake incident, and the Alcatraz incident, the U.S. Government’s Bolivar Trask was given approval by the President to continue with Project Wideawake as an alternate answer for extreme cases that may come in the future. Trask is aided by Special Assistant Valerie Cooper with Project Wideawake. They have been getting sponsoring from the high class Hellfire Club.

The Hellfire Club has been part of the high class of New York for quite some time now. After hearing about the outing of the X-Men, they were concerned that they would get in the way of the Hellfire Club’s growing dominance. Any high class yuppie or yuppette can be a member but there is a secret Inner Circle where the Hellfire Club‘s true ambition is plotted. The current leaders of the Hellfire Club (including Inner Circle) are Sebastian Shaw and Emma Frost. Other Inner Circle members are Emmanuel DaCosta, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, Jason Wyngarde, Friedrich Von Roehm, and Shinobi Shaw. They also have Tessa as a servant.

Some people that the Hellfire Club has their eye on is the world known singer Alison Blaire and the famous Australian surfer Davis Cameron. They’re only in the Hellfire Club’s interest for their star power and their mutant powers and they are hoping to recruit them into their Hellions. At the moment their Hellions consist of Beef, Bevatron, Empath, Jetstream, Roulette, Tarot, and Firestar.
 
I saw the link..
Hmm cool story...
I am working on my X4 one right now...
But it goes further after vmy X3 book :D
 
I'm amazed to be able to report back that I prefer X3 to Singer's Superman. And people near me in the cinema all moaned about SR.... over-indulgent (another King Kong scenario), too long, too slow, too dark (literally and figuratively), crap beginning, weak ending...
 
X-Maniac said:
I'm amazed to be able to report back that I prefer X3 to Singer's Superman. And people near me in the cinema all moaned about SR.... over-indulgent (another King Kong scenario), too long, too slow, too dark (literally and figuratively), crap beginning, weak ending...

What some ppl call long and slow, others call well-developed and deep...I'll take a dark, slow movie with depth over a rushed movie with nothing but flash any day of the week.
 
^good point, X3 would be too short, too fast, just as dark if not wanting to be darker, crap beginning, and crappiest weakest ending ever.

edit- instead of would be, consider it as- IS
 
tonytr1687 said:
What some ppl call long and slow, others call well-developed and deep...I'll take a dark, slow movie with depth over a rushed movie with nothing but flash any day of the week.

So deep and well-developed that...
1) Metropolis moves from Kansas (as in Smallville etc) to the east coast to allow for the plot..
2) Lex Luthor creates real estate that no one would ever want to buy
3) Lois Lane, so heartbroken over Superman's departure that she writes a prize-winning article, meets and becomes involves with Richard White quickly enough for it to be possible for him to be father of her child
4) Lex Luthor's freedom from jail because of Superman's absence is glossed over in a few seconds. This should have been the opening scene, not some mumbling, irrelevant old grandma on her deathbed.
5) Superman is depowered by a kryponite-laced island (and thus can be beaten to a pulp and then stabbed by Lex) but is able to launch this island into space

Bryan Singer's reputation for perfectionist art and careful crafting disintegrated here. He did much better with X1 and X2. SR became over-indulgent and full of irrelevancies (like shots of childhood leaping) and plotholes....
 
X-Maniac said:
So deep and well-developed that...
1) Metropolis moves from Kansas (as in Smallville etc) to the east coast to allow for the plot..
2) Lex Luthor creates real estate that no one would ever want to buy
3) Lois Lane, so heartbroken over Superman's departure that she writes a prize-winning article, meets and becomes involves with Richard White quickly enough for it to be possible for him to be father of her child
4) Lex Luthor's freedom from jail because of Superman's absence is glossed over in a few seconds. This should have been the opening scene, not some mumbling, irrelevant old grandma on her deathbed.
5) Superman is depowered by a kryponite-laced island (and thus can be beaten to a pulp and then stabbed by Lex) but is able to launch this island into space

Bryan Singer's reputation for perfectionist art and careful crafting disintegrated here. He did much better with X1 and X2. SR became over-indulgent and full of irrelevancies (like shots of childhood leaping) and plotholes....


1) Nitpick, It didn't have to move it just did, New York is considered to be a Metropolis of our world, it's more of a gotham yes, but did it ruin the story? Would it have made a difference if it was West coast? I was too busy enjoying the movie to care.
2) Probably true but considering 25% of the planet's land just went underwater it wouldn't leave some ppl a choice, besides we don't know what the true potential of that land was.
3) If you knew Lois Lane you would know she's a strong woman, she has too be since she is a reporter, she isn't the kind of woman who would sit around mopin and who the hell said she got over him.
4) This kinda was the opening scene and frankly it had enough time spent on it, i really don't think they should of had about 10 minutes of hey guess how i got out, it was quick and simple and didn't diverge from the story.
5) Iron, the ground underneath the land had iron, it served as a shield long enough. Yes ill give you that the fact that he was stabbed should of taken him out. It was overexxagerate but not as much as Wolverine standing up to the dark phoenix and healing at the speed of light when he got taken out by a bullet in the previous movie.

Plotholes? what plotholes? your starting to sound like us X-Men angry fans, but we back it up. Irrelevance? yes i supposed it shouldn't go off in some flashback, but it was a nice breather from ok here you have all mighty kid powerful jean and angel cuting his wings are we done? OK NEXT SCENE QUICK We'r losing the crowd!! Remeber ADD public.
You ppl where saying that the film had smarts and that the public should of been smart enough to go in depth with it. Well they should of been patient enough for it too but they wheren't and thanks too the director the movie ends the moment it begins. Smarts and patience maybe different but i always felt they where on the same boat so i think you got a foot in the water or your just completely in it. :)
 
gambitfire said:
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5) Iron, the ground underneath the land had iron, it served as a shield long enough. Yes ill give you that the fact that he was stabbed should of taken him out. It was overexxagerate but not as much as Wolverine standing up to the dark phoenix and healing at the speed of light when he got taken out by a bullet in the previous movie.

Bravo! Even as far back as X1 we can see that Wolverine takes TIME to heel, even from his little truck accident it took 30-60 seconds for his facial wounds to recover. Obviously his mutation got stronger because by the "climactic" ending of X3 he's able to regrow entire parts of his body as fast as Jean / Phoenix is able to disintegrate them.

I'll say this about SR: The ending, the conclusion was oh so wrong. It made me shake my head. But I did it with a smile. It did not anger me or upset me, not even close to the way that X3 did. At least with SR they didn't kill off 1/2 the cast and run the story into a wall.
 
X-Maniac said:
I'm amazed to be able to report back that I prefer X3 to Singer's Superman. And people near me in the cinema all moaned about SR.... over-indulgent (another King Kong scenario), too long, too slow, too dark (literally and figuratively), crap beginning, weak ending...
I have had a very similar experience. The general audiences and the fans' experiences of the two movies are completely opposite on the two movies...

-TNC
 
X-Maniac said:
So deep and well-developed that...
1) Metropolis moves from Kansas (as in Smallville etc) to the east coast to allow for the plot..
2) Lex Luthor creates real estate that no one would ever want to buy
3) Lois Lane, so heartbroken over Superman's departure that she writes a prize-winning article, meets and becomes involves with Richard White quickly enough for it to be possible for him to be father of her child
4) Lex Luthor's freedom from jail because of Superman's absence is glossed over in a few seconds. This should have been the opening scene, not some mumbling, irrelevant old grandma on her deathbed.
5) Superman is depowered by a kryponite-laced island (and thus can be beaten to a pulp and then stabbed by Lex) but is able to launch this island into space

Bryan Singer's reputation for perfectionist art and careful crafting disintegrated here. He did much better with X1 and X2. SR became over-indulgent and full of irrelevancies (like shots of childhood leaping) and plotholes....

Metropolis conveniently maintains its own Statue of Liberty, etc. in Superman the movie. Because Returns is an off-shoot of the Donner films this is consistent, therefore Singer's perfectionism is maintained in this regard.

I agree with you concerning Luthor's plot, although I could care less about further expounding his freedom from jail. I find the scenes cut from the film to be more intriguing.

Superman is effectively beaten up because he is in close proximity to the Kryptonite exposed beneath him, thus he is weakened and easily broken. He recharges via the sun and proceeds to lift New Krypton from the ocean, which is all fine and well because there is no exposed Kryptonite near him . . . it is not until Superman is almost out of Earth's atmosphere that the Krypotnite is exposed via chunks of rock breaking away from New Krypton. The Kryptonite continues to grow until it is inches away from his face . . . only then is Superman able to muster one last push before he hurtles back to Earth. I wondered about this scene myself at first until I saw it again. It's in the details I guess.

I agree with some of your other points though.
 
BMM said:
Metropolis conveniently maintains its own Statue of Liberty, etc. in Superman the movie. Because Returns is an off-shoot of the Donner films this is consistent, therefore Singer's perfectionism is maintained in this regard.

Yeah good point. Since this film is supposed to continue the storyline from Superman 2 (and jumps over 3 and 4, hey there's an idea for the next X-Men film) it's only fitting that Metropolis is the same type of place we saw in the previous films. Heck, they were even nice enough to keep John Williams and his film score around!

I agree with you concerning Luthor's plot, although I could care less about further expounding his freedom from jail. I find the scenes cut from the film to be more intriguing.
Lex Luthor's plots are supposed to be literally off the deep end. And this one is consistent too. Do you not remember his original plot in the Superman Movie? The Crime of the Century? Sinking California into the sea from an artificial earthquake in order to turn Arizona into beachfront property? Doesn't it sound strangely familiar? And how did Superman solve that one? Again doing something equally off the wall and larger than life.


I agree that the ending was wrong. It made my shake my head, but I did it with a smile. It did not anger or upset me the way X3 did. SR still had that "magic". X3 did not.
 
ntcrawler said:
Yeah good point. Since this film is supposed to continue the storyline from Superman 2 (and jumps over 3 and 4, hey there's an idea for the next X-Men film) it's only fitting that Metropolis is the same type of place we saw in the previous films. Heck, they were even nice enough to keep John Williams and his film score around!


Lex Luthor's plots are supposed to be literally off the deep end. And this one is consistent too. Do you not remember his original plot in the Superman Movie? The Crime of the Century? Sinking California into the sea from an artificial earthquake in order to turn Arizona into beachfront property? Doesn't it sound strangely familiar? And how did Superman solve that one? Again doing something equally off the wall and larger than life.


I agree that the ending was wrong. It made my shake my head, but I did it with a smile. It did not anger or upset me the way X3 did. SR still had that "magic". X3 did not.

Agreed.

About Luthor's "ridiculous" plot...in the movie he himself admitted that "the land was missing something." That it was a bit too alien and lacked that human touch. So in other words he was aware that the land was pretty f-ed up looking, but while he certainly was trying to make money and be a God to humanity or whatever, most of his motivation was just drawing Superman out so he could have his revenge. And even if I am mistaken, it's also obvious that Lex has gone a little off the deep end anyway. As far as the "plot hole" concerning Supes and kryptonite goes. Yes its all in the details...the reason it didnt affect him as much the second go-around was because he had just re-charged his powers significantly, so he was much stronger and more powerful. Plus, as someone else noted, the kryptonite wasnt very exposed until he reached space.

X3 on the other hand, there is no answer in the details...because there are no details! Its all surface and no depth.
 
tonytr1687 said:
X3 on the other hand, there is no answer in the details...because there are no details! Its all surface and no depth.

ZING!!! :D
 
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