Why all the hate over the flag shot?

So I analyse the numbers of people and the socio-political factors, and you fail to give an argument in response, "that's BS." very constructive and explains your reputation on the hype.

If you could actually offer evidence on the contrary, then maybe we could have a discussion, rather than you attacking me personally by calling me liberal etc, rather than looking at what I'm saying.

Notice all the christian links in the government of america? There is no Islam link to the high end of politics in western europe or america. So Christianity holds more power, and more power=more destructive capabilities etc. It's simple logic.

I am more than willing to continue this in a PM conversation but this is not the point of this thread.

The simple fact is you didn't use any facts. You based everything you said on your opinion which is simple "Christians are evil"

Please if you wish to continue use the PM's this thread should be about Spiderman and the flag.
 
If by this you are referring to Iraq, once again, ignorance prevails. You ignore everything I said earlier about Bush and Iraq and relegate the whole thing to 'a Christian-motivated act'. Unbelievable.


The notion is that people would think it is a justifiable excuse. Showing how christianity has invaded the political elements of government. America was pretty much founded on christianity, so christianity holds a great deal more power in america than Islam. that's clearly obvious...
 
A thread full of armchair politicians, I vote delete.
 
Did you know some christian organisation offer AIDS treatment, but ONLY to those who convert to christiantity?

I was not aware of this and since you fail to name these specific organizations, I am still unaware of them as far as I am concerned. If they DO exist, there are plenty enough places that offer AIDS treatment to anyone so that Christianity cannot be blamed on the 'spread of AIDS'.

Ever heard of the crusades?

Yes, they originated in England I believe but somehow I'm sure you'll find a way to blame George Bush for it.

How many people died in Iraq? Because "God told Bush to invade."

I would really be interested in seeing proof to back up this statement.


Try northern island for example if you want conflict, christians killing other christians, how messed up is that?

What is northern island?

People make such a big deal of the twin towers, but over ten times the amount of people killed on 9/11 are killed everyday in Africa due to AIDS alone, where treatment could be given to extent their life and raise the quality of their lives, but no, instead christians spend it on 'holy wars' etc.

Ok, 9/11 was a deliberate terrorist attack with a specific target. AIDS is a disease that doesn't discriminate. As far as helping other countries, do you think ANYONE donates more financially to causes like AIDS than Americans in general and American Christians specifically? If you do, you're wrong. And I love the incongruity of asserting that America shouldn't 'police the world' BUT should be obligated to help everyone else financially.

I can give you more examples if you would like?

You knock yourself out, Cy.
 
I was not aware of this and since you fail to name these specific organizations, I am still unaware of them as far as I am concerned. If they DO exist, there are plenty enough places that offer AIDS treatment to anyone so that Christianity cannot be blamed on the 'spread of AIDS'.



Yes, they originated in England I believe but somehow I'm sure you'll find a way to blame George Bush for it.



I would really be interested in seeing proof to back up this statement.




What is northern island?



Ok, 9/11 was a deliberate terrorist attack with a specific target. AIDS is a disease that doesn't discriminate. As far as helping other countries, do you think ANYONE donates more financially to causes like AIDS than Americans in general and American Christians specifically? If you do, you're wrong. And I love the incongruity of asserting that America shouldn't 'police the world' BUT should be obligated to help everyone else financially.



You knock yourself out, Cy.


This thread has diverted itself, so let's continue this in PM or another thread. And what is northern island? You actually asked that? sheesh:o
 
This thread has diverted itself, so let's continue this in PM or another thread. And what is northern island? You actually asked that? sheesh:o


Yes, I must be an idiot. Google 'northern island' and let me know what you find out. I actually thought you might be talking about some place I'd never heard of. Apparently NO ONE has!:o indeed!

But I do agree this thread has gone on waaaayyyy too long.
 
northern isalnd, the country enfused with warring protestants and catholics for decades.....

So, the pace of the movie was slowed by the flag, that's why people hate it, it was too forced!
 
northern isalnd, the country enfused with warring protestants and catholics for decades.....

So, the pace of the movie was slowed by the flag, that's why people hate it, it was too forced!

LOL! I think you mean northern IRELAND.
 
My bad. I'll take the blame for the TYPO there, eek! Point still stands about which i was referring to though......

Back to SM anyone?
 
Wow, silly me...I thought I was watching a movie about a fictional comic book superhero. I had no idea I was really watching a commentary on our nation's political climate and the Iraq war! These days, a person can't sneeze without someone interpreting it as some kind of political statement. I'm pretty sure the American flag shot is in the movie because admit it, it's a cool shot! Does it disrupt the flow of the scene? No more than Black Suited Spidey posing on the church steeple for a minute before going inside disrupted the scene of Spidey ditching the symbiote. C'mon guys...this ain't The Manchurian Candidate or Fahrenheit 9/11...it's Spider-Man 3.
 
the scene was intentionally put in there, and looked terrible, the unrealistic CG flag, and with spider-man having to set down on the roof top uneccessarily. It just looks horrid, the symbiote spidey pose on the church looks quite good, hence it's justified inclusion.
 
Wow, Your getting political advice from Linkin Park. What are you, mentally insane? Are you 9 years old? Oh and the whole U.S. Starts wars for no reason. Tell that to the people who died on 9/11. Let's see if they think the war has no reason. If you were alive in WWII you'd probably have been like "oh, come on, Pearl Harbour wasn't worth going to war". Liberals = ****** who just wanna sit around and fornicate themselves. Lets fight global warming and save the PINGUINS INSTEAD OF OUR OWN COUNTRY! That makes a whole lotta sense especially sense the same scientists in the 70's said there was going to be global freezing. Makes a ton of sense. Damn liberals.

didn't US funded bin laden and help him get to power. same with sadam. also during war they used all kind of unconventional weapons. is iraq a safer place now than it was under saddam, definitely no. it is better to have a dictator tna an anarchy.
when you think about it saddam was right. he wanted weapons for defense and clearly he needed them. he never attacked US, but it was another way around.
also it is easy for US to go to war since they never really expirienced the real horror of it. even during ww2, the continent was not under attack. it´s not like the whole country was under attack.
you complain about terrorism, yet the US government applies the same methods to overthrow foreign governments.
they talk about democracy, yet if a country does not share the same views as US, it is marked as enemy.
in a real democracy it shouldn´t even matter who is a president of a country since the people are the one who rule. and a country shouldn´t have a leader, but a representative.
 
While Linkin park is my favorite band,I don't formulate my opinion based on their songs.The best way to form an opinion to me at least is to watch debates try to find the most unbiased news and read it and read up on a subject.only then will you have truly grasped things to formulate an opinion.

Take a page out of AC/DC's book: "Politics should NEVER be in Music" It taints the music whether you agree with what its about or not, its just not fun. Rock N Roll is about booze, Chicks, sex and loud guitars. yes, I'm a republican, yes I'm a Christian, Yes, I'm a very Patriotic person, but my favorite band is not a U.S. band and its not a christian band{heh, DC's most famous song is Highway to Hell}. Rock is about havin a fun time, not whether Bush was right or wrong, or about cutting my wrist. LP has some good songs, but their getting lamer and lamer.
 
didn't US funded bin laden and help him get to power. same with sadam. also during war they used all kind of unconventional weapons. is iraq a safer place now than it was under saddam, definitely no. it is better to have a dictator tna an anarchy.
when you think about it saddam was right. he wanted weapons for defense and clearly he needed them. he never attacked US, but it was another way around.
also it is easy for US to go to war since they never really expirienced the real horror of it. even during ww2, the continent was not under attack. it´s not like the whole country was under attack.
you complain about terrorism, yet the US government applies the same methods to overthrow foreign governments.
they talk about democracy, yet if a country does not share the same views as US, it is marked as enemy.
in a real democracy it shouldn´t even matter who is a president of a country since the people are the one who rule. and a country shouldn´t have a leader, but a representative.
You just said that the world was a better place with Sadam. Therefore, your too stupid to even consider. Thats like saying Stalin was a good guy cuz he helped defeat those damn Nazis.
 
A thread full of armchair politicians, I vote delete.

Can you stop with all the close/delete talk? If you don't want to participate, stay out of the thread. The thread hasn't gone off topic, it's just getting down to the roots of the topic at hand.
 
Spoken like a true liberal zombie!

First of all, just so we're clear and not spewing the 'bush lied' line that the libs want mindless sheep like you to repeat ad nauseum, Bush extended a deadline 2 TIMES to Saddam to cooperate with the UN investigators who were trying to uncover the truth, but Saddam WOULD NOT COOPERATE! Bush said if he didn't cooperate, we were coming. Saddam didn't cooperate so we went in. WHY DOES EVERYONE SO CONVENIENTLY FORGET THIS? Do I agree with everything about the way the war was handled? No. But even the Democrats voted in favor of going into Iraq. Bush keeps his word about going to war with Iraq if Saddam doesn't cooperate, Saddam doesn't cooperate, Bush takes us to war. Where did he lie? "Oh, it was for the oil!" Proof? Al Quaida attacks the US on 9/11 and yet we have liberal idiots like Rosie O'donnel saying stuff like "Don't fear the terrorists. They're mothers and fathers." The real reason so many outside this country hate America is because they can see that half of this country is so filled with hate over its President that they feel that they can safely jump on the bandwagon too. Whatever an American thinks about its President, he should still stand up for his country. Kinda like a family member, you may not agree with what they do, but you'd still stand up for them if anyone else attacks them. But then again, you probably wouldn't do that after all so maybe I just wasted an analogy.

This country's presidency was a joke to the rest of the world during the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, BUT that didn't mean that Americans couldn't still love their country and it's flag (i.e: the ideals that it was built on, as I've said many times before). If the rest of the world wants to be anti-American because they don't agree with the actions of its president, so be it, but I will be pro-American just as loudly as they will be against it - no matter WHO is in the White House.

And just so everyone realizes, the last thing anti-America/Bush people want (even those who are Americans) is for the US to be victorious in Iraq. The same people who cry out to help the suffering and poverty-stricken in other countries would sooner see the Iraqis remain under a tyrannical dictator than see them become a democracy because that would make Bush right, and that's one thing they wouldn't know how to live with. It's all political with them now. A victory in Iraq is a defeat for the democratic party and anyone who blasted Bush for his actions. Their defense is "It can't be won" like everyone is now a war strategist. They just always fail to include WHY it can't be won. They're right it can't be won if they're alluding to congrees cutting off funds to our soldiers.

The sad thing is, when we don't do something about Iran because whoever is President next is afraid of being labeled a war-monger and we get attacked with a nuclear weapon, the same people who blasted Bush will be the first to jump up and say "We should've done something when we had the chance!" but then STILL be against going after them in retaliation.

Again, I don't agree with everything Bush has done, just like I never agreed with everything ANY president has ever done, but when people throw out the 'broken record Bush lied' line, I want to make sure they have more of the facts and are not just speaking out of blind hatred for Bush as you seem to be doing.

This is not the forum for this kind of discussion, and it no longer even has anything to do with the Spider-man film. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even their right to hate America (if they do), just as I have the right to mine. But I have stated mine enough that everyone knows that there are SOME people who do love America, even when she's down.

Well of course it was intentional. I don't think ANYONE here has suggested that the shot wound up in the movie accidentally! Raimi watchin final cut: "Hey, how'd THAT shot get in there?!!"



From everything I've heard about Raimi, he is as sweet a person as you could want to meet, ergo I don't think he'd put in an image to push a 'political image' to upset a large group of people. I think it more likely that he was trying to pull together some pro-American sentiment within America because Amnerica really needs that right now.



I never said Spidey was 'ours'. In fact, I think I clearly stated (about 100 or so pages back!) that he WASN'T mine to 'share'. I know I've used the James Bond analogy before because it fits and I can't really think of another popular Brittish character so loved by so much of the world. Bond is pure escapist fantasy. When a man watches a James Bond movie, he wishes he could be James Bond. I MYSELF would rather be James Bond than Spider-Man, BUT I never got bent out of shape during the opening credits of The Spy Who Loved Me when it showed Bond superimposed against the brittish flag (which took up the entire screen btw). The thought never even crossed my mind. I didn't feel 'left out'. I didn't feel like I was taken out of the movie just because I couldn't get my mind off the fact that Bond was linked with the Union Jack. The American flag is not, and does not represent, a 'singular political point', just like the Union Jack doesn't represent the IRA.

I guess I can understand this sentiment from English people over the flag considering, as one poster said earlier, an English citizen gets labeled racist now for displaying the Union Jack in their own country! Truly sad! I am sounding off on this board because I don't want to see this happen in America. I'd hope that more people, especially American people, could understand THAT!

Damn good posts!


Nice talking points, it sounds like you got them directly from glenn beck, not even hannity but glenn beck. Clearly you werent paying attention over the last several years or else your eyes and ears are closed off to whats happening in this country. Bush lied. I'm seriously. Listen to the new Linkin Park even they know it now.

Are you kidding me? After that post makes such great points, you tell him to go listen to Linken Park?!

"Oh, ok, now that I listened to some Linken Park, I can totally see that Bush lied."

Instead of stating some points/facts of your own, that you've got gathered or conclusions you've come to, you tell someone to go listen to a song. Nice.

I'm a Linken Park fan myself but you've got it very wrong if you think I'm gonna get brainwashed by some silly rockers who probably don't even know half of the facts themselves. Like someone else said, Politics and music do NOT mix.

You know I have no problem with people having opposing views but it gets under my skin when the word liberal is used as a derogatory term.While I disagree with the republican agenda and I'm a democrat but I never go out of my way to insult republicans or people who don't agree me.That to me is childish and means you really don't have anything to really contribute to a discussion.Also whether you'd like to admit it or not global warming does exist and there is tons of evidence to prove so.While Sadam Hussien was without a doubt one of the most evil men in our history there is no evidence to prove his involvement in 9/11.9/11 was a true tragedy and it's a shame it's now being used by both factions in a political manner.As far as Bush lying this is said because no weapons of mass destruction were found and there was no proof there were any.Also about the whole theory that the U.S. did it to free Iraq and protect us from further attacks then why not engage other countries who have the same atrocities done to civil rights as Iraq did like China?Well no China is a great business partner to the U.S therefore who cares about China's citizens?Also I believe before going to help other nations and act as the world's savior America has to solve it's problems first.

I read somewhere that human beings account for only like 3% of global warming. Whether we like it or not, global warming is coming, and whatever human beings do will NOT make that much of a difference.
 
Its not just Linkin Park but also Bright Eyes and Talib Kweli, too. It seems everyone enlightened can tell you the truth and all the hawks and facists want you to fall in line. And I'm not just getting my opinions from music but also games like the Metal Gear Solid series.
 
You just said that the world was a better place with Sadam. Therefore, your too stupid to even consider. Thats like saying Stalin was a good guy cuz he helped defeat those damn Nazis.

well clearly, iraq was. at least there were no carbombs exploding everywhere every day. also iraq was never a nesting place for terrorists until now. i am not stupid, just going through facts.
 
wow...... Sadahm, the worst dictator sense, well Stalin Himself, was a good thing for Iraq? wow.........this is just getting ridiculous and a waste of time.
 
*walks back into the thread* Hm. This silliness still prevails? *shrugs and walks back out*
 
Whoa, for a second there I thought you were going to mention the 1970's Toei Spider-man series. :P
Gross. I didn't even know that had existed until a couple of years ago, and then when I researched it I wished I had never known. It was like Spider-Man was some alternate Power Ranger.
 
Can you stop with all the close/delete talk? If you don't want to participate, stay out of the thread. The thread hasn't gone off topic, it's just getting down to the roots of the topic at hand.

Heh, then you're blind or just simply can't read. :o
This thread went way off topic time ago. How about you bother to read the posts before you start saying otherwise. :whatever:
 
I thought it was very appropriate for a character that represents good in America and has a red, white, and blue costume to fly/jump up in front of the flag. It's one of my favorite shots of the movie.

Then go fight in Iraq.

Anyway I saw the movie twice in theaters and each time (I swear on my life) when that flag shot came up there were moans and groans from the audience. This lady next to me sucked her teeth lol. Damn.
 

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