Why all the hate over the flag shot?

[Mudo]

Some people have too much hate inside... that's all there is to it

 

[Démon]

I think I've finally figured it out. Only Americans understand what it means to have Patriotism. Everyone that isn't from here doesn't understand the swell of prode (yes, PRIDE!) it gives Americans to see one of our icons linked with the American flag.

It might surprise you to know that people other countries do have patriotism, thank you. And as you know by now, not all Americans particularly care for the shot in question, either.
Some people here need to cool down a bit on the matter. Just because someone finds the shot cheesy or annoying, it doesn't mean "omgz!!! American-hater!1" Most people here who have complaints about it are pointing out the valid point that the placement of this shot isn't exactly the best - many here seem to agree that it would've actually fit better if it had been during that whole Spider-Man celebration earlier in the movie. In a few cases, yes, it does seem to be the fact that it's the American flag in particular that bugs people, but I think those who dislike the placement are the majority.
Personally, I agree with those who said it'd probably fit better earlier in the movie. If they had to keep it where it was, I think it'd look better if the flag wasn't so space-consuming. As others have said, the American flag shots in the previous movies were excellently done and I never saw complaints about them either. This one is just too out-of-place and blatant to the point where many find it cheesy.
And by the way, to those complaining and moaning about how "the rest of the world hates America", that's not entirely true. I've lived here in Canada for almost fourteen years, and I've never experienced discrimination on the basis of me being an American (The closest to it was a friend accusing me of being in denial when I didn't automatically agree with his "America has economic hitmen" conspiracy theorizing. ). The fact that you act as if the world hates you really doesn't help things, because when you accuse everyone of hating you, you're generalizing and giving the impression that you're rather paranoid.
So, in short, people need to stop treating this as an attack on America and it's values, and more as a criticism of an admittedly awkward portion of the movie.

 

[nocomics]

I'm all for the patriotic stuff in movies if in the right dose. I personally didn't have a problem with the 'flag' scene. Though it did feel forced and unneeded.
I could give a rats ass what someone in a different country thought of the scene. Ya,its the cool thing to hate america blah blah blah. Though I'm surprised in this day and age of 'political correctness' we didnt see a freakin mexican flag or something to do with muslims....TO all this I will just /flip the bird to the haters..

 

[Mr. Credible]

why all the hate over the flag shot?

because it was extremely forced?
because it seemed completely out of place?
because it's been done in the first 2 movies, to similar effect?
because america isn't about truth and justice at all any more?

take your pic. any of those reasons ought to do.

 

[FatA$$]

i find the shot perfectly fine. this is american you can wave the AMERICAN flag anytime you want. But personally i think it should be the only flag that should be raised in this country. it should be a new law. besides if your gonna go around being so proud of another country and live in america why the hell dont you just move to wherever it is that your so proud of. something that has never made sense is people driving around with a flag of another country on there car or clothes that have another countrys flag on it, Yet they still live in AMERICA (and no im not talking about things like sports jersys)

 

[Nathan]

Oh, this is getting better and better...

 

[FatA$$]

in case anyone was wondering i really just felt like adding something completely stupid just to let you all know how you all are starting to sound.

(so that people dont freak out about what i posted)

 

[venom892]

Ok because I'm Cuban and was about to go off on you.....

 

[Crowforge]

I squint my eyes menacingly when I see a foreign flag car drive by while I wait for the bus, feel free to go off, with the way my feet feel I don't care.

 

[venom892]

Can you please elaborate why?I would like to see what kind of reasoning you have for that before I say anything.

 

[Spider - Man]

It's okay if you don't know how to multi-quote; it is quite hard.

Also, this is a cookie...

...and this is a biscuit...

They are not the same thing.

Actually multi-posting is quite easy for me (perhaps not for you as you admitted it's quite hard) and I did it on page 9 as well as the post following the one I'm currently replying to, I just didn't feel you were any longer worth the time it takes.

This is from the link above by one of your fellow country people: biscuit n. What we Brits call a biscuit, Americans call a cookie. An American biscuit is a soft, flakey savoury pastry eaten with gravy or butter.

The picture on the bottom is a shortbread cookie in America and a biscuit in England, doofus.

Backtrack all you want and try to say now that you only don't like it because it is in the wrong place in the film, but your remarks on pages past prove otherwise. Like I said, go see the film again on July 4th and grit your teeth and clench your fists impotently as Spidey lands in front of the flag of the greatest nation on Earth. I believe holding on in quiet desperation really IS the english way! And don't get mad at ME for that remark, slappy. That was from one of YOUR country's icons!

 

[FatA$$]

Ok because I'm Cuban and was about to go off on you.....

why would you go off on me because your cuban?

 

[Spider - Man]

It might surprise you to know that people other countries do have patriotism, thank you.

And if you read my subsequent post you would see that I was purposely making a foolish remark to counter the foolish remarks about the flag not having a place in the film because it annoys the rest of the world (those were fg's words not mine, so if anyone is pitting the whole rest of the world against America,look in his direction.

And as you know by now, not all Americans particularly care for the shot in question, either.

But they're not upset about the fact that there is an American flag in the shot that makes people who aren't American feel left-out and annoys the rest of the world ONLY BECAUSE IT'S AN AMERICAN FLAG!

Just because someone finds the shot cheesy or annoying, it doesn't mean "omgz!!! American-hater!1" Most people here who have complaints about it are pointing out the valid point that the placement of this shot isn't exactly the best - many here seem to agree that it would've actually fit better if it had been during that whole Spider-Man celebration earlier in the movie. In a few cases, yes, it does seem to be the fact that it's the American flag in particular that bugs people, but I think those who dislike the placement are the majority.

I never said that. You need to reread my posts. I am ONLY contending with poeple like fg and buttman who are upset about the flag being in the film in the first place. At least buttman, pitiful as he sounds, had the balls to say what he meant. fg made inflammatory statements then tried to say that that isn't what he said, but his posts are there for everyone to read. The only ones giving him a pass on THOSE statements or choose to ignore them are ALSO people from another country.

Personally, I agree with those who said it'd probably fit better earlier in the movie. If they had to keep it where it was, I think it'd look better if the flag wasn't so space-consuming. As others have said, the American flag shots in the previous movies were excellently done and I never saw complaints about them either. This one is just too out-of-place and blatant to the point where many find it cheesy.

I have no problem with anyone's opinion about that.

And by the way, to those complaining and moaning about how "the rest of the world hates America", that's not entirely true. I've lived here in Canada for almost fourteen years, and I've never experienced discrimination on the basis of me being an American (The closest to it was a friend accusing me of being in denial when I didn't automatically agree with his "America has economic hitmen" conspiracy theorizing. ). The fact that you act as if the world hates you really doesn't help things, because when you accuse everyone of hating you, you're generalizing and giving the impression that you're rather paranoid.
So, in short, people need to stop treating this as an attack on America and it's values, and more as a criticism of an admittedly awkward portion of the movie.

I never said that the whole world hates America. I have friends in Toronto, London, Yorkshire, Leeds, and elsewhere. I never accused 'everyone' of hating me or America. I DID say America is the most hated nation on Earth. Tell me another nation that is the target of hate on as large a scale. There is more anti-American sentiment than there is anti-any-other-country, period. And this is the time when Americans need to stand up for this country and fight harder than ever to bring it together. And NOT put up with snide little remarks by bitter, nonsense-picture-posting prigs like fried gold! You and anyone else on the boards can defend him for his remarks if you want to but my problem is mainly with him because he DID make statements that were inappropriate to me about America.

 

[Démon]

And if you read my subsequent post you would see that I was purposely making a foolish remark to counter the foolish remarks about the flag not having a place in the film because it annoys the rest of the world (those were fg's words not mine, so if anyone is pitting the whole rest of the world against America,look in his direction.

Guess I'd forgotten that part. My apologies.

But they're not upset about the fact that there is an American flag in the shot that makes people who aren't American feel left-out and annoys the rest of the world ONLY BECAUSE IT'S AN AMERICAN FLAG!

Okay, I'm a bit confused by this comment. Could you rephrase it?

I never said that. You need to reread my posts. I am ONLY contending with poeple like fg and buttman who are upset about the flag being in the film in the first place. At least buttman, pitiful as he sounds, had the balls to say what he meant. fg made inflammatory statements then tried to say that that isn't what he said, but his posts are there for everyone to read. The only ones giving him a pass on THOSE statements or choose to ignore them are ALSO people from another country.

Well, I wasn't actually addressing you in particular. I couldn't remember which users it was - my post was meant to be more generalized at this point onward. I noticed that a couple of posters had been making comments that indicated to me that they were already jumping to the conclusion that the criticisms of the shot reflected a general anti-American bias, which isn't the case.

I never said that the whole world hates America. I have friends in Toronto, London, Yorkshire, Leeds, and elsewhere. I never accused 'everyone' of hating me or America. I DID say America is the most hated nation on Earth. Tell me another nation that is the target of hate on as large a scale. There is more anti-American sentiment than there is anti-any-other-country, period. And this is the time when Americans need to stand up for this country and fight harder than ever to bring it together. And NOT put up with snide little remarks by bitter, nonsense-picture-posting prigs like fried gold! You and anyone else on the boards can defend him for his remarks if you want to but my problem is mainly with him because he DID make statements that were inappropriate to me about America.

Again, I wasn't being specific to you when I wrote that part, so sorry if you interpreted it that way. A few other posters had been making comments that I was trying to address. Anyway, I don't really know if America is the most hated nation on Earth, so much as the Bush administration being one of the most hated governments on Earth (I believe that much of the sentiment is towards Bush and the government's way of dealing internationally.). Even if were truly anti-American sentiment - as in, the hate is for American people in general, not just the government (It's usually the government in my experiences.) - it is not alone in the world for being a nation targeted by hatred. Israel is in the same boat.
I'm not defending this Fried Gold guy at all. I'm just addressing general comments I've seen while going through the thread, and trying to point out that the majority of unfavorable opinion about the flag scene doesn't seem to be motivated by anti-American attitude. Just in case someone takes it all to heart and begins spewing anti-everywhere else comments. We already had one foolish comment by a Canadian poster result in a retaliatory insult towards Canadians a few pages back, and I'd rather people cooled down before it escalates into that again.
If there are a few who don't like Americans, that's their problem, and you'd have to question why they're even on a board that's probably predominantly American. Most people who develop such a dislike of Americans are probably affected by two things - disliking the American government, and the confrontational and arrogant nature of the few overly vocal American fanatics who believe they're superior to everyone else. Unfortunately, those few people end up representing Americans in general in some people's mind, and that's probably where most of the attitude comes from.

 

[Darkest Knight]

Loved it. Superman Returns could've used a dosage or two fo that, forreal.

 

[Darkest Knight]

OMG, this is unbelievable.

Left out? Did you feel 'left out' because he was in NY instead of London?

Our hero, not yours? I didn't make him American, he was already that way when I was born, and you're right, I had nothing to do with it. And neither did you. He's American beyond both of our ability to control. If the big, bad Raimi hadn't put in that nasty ol' shot of the American flag, would you have been better able to hold onto your illusion that Spider-man is (fill in your nationality here)?

Selfish instead of sharing? How are "we" not sharing? He's not "mine" to share or not share. And did you have to come to the States to see this movie? I thought "we" "shared" the movie with the rest of the world, hense the movie breaking all previous WORLD-WIDE RELEASE RECORDS! In fact, if I'm not mistaken, every other country got to see this movie before America. Amazing! And I thought we had some crybabies over HERE!


If I were you, I'd go crawl back into grandmum's basement from embarrassment. I know I've gotten a bit bent out of shape on here (I tend to do that when people want to berate America because of the actions of some) but I've tried to stay as civil as possible. But I have to say, your's may truly be the stupidest, most pathetic post I have ever read. You should be slapped and sterilized.

CLASSIC POST!!! haha. Amen to that, broham.

And yes, he is our hero. As is Superman, Batman and the rest of them. All are AMERICANS with the fighting American spirit written into their character. Deal with it.

 

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

Down with America!!! Down with Spider-Man!!!

Long Live My Country and It's Hero's Flag!!!

 

[venom892]

why would you go off on me because your cuban?

Because I proudly display both the American and Cuban flags at my house and you did that fake post on how other countries flags shouldn't be on display in this country.

 

[chaseter]

Because I proudly display both the American and Cuban flags at my house and you did that fake post on how other countries flags shouldn't be on display in this country.

I think it is great you fly both flags. It shows your love for what I guess to be your country of origin and the one you choose to live in. I think it's wrong and stupid for people to live here and hate America by burning the flag or only flying another country's flag. I know and have seen people say how much they love a country, for instance Mexico, live here and only display the Mexican flag and talk about how much better it is over there...then wtf are you doing here? But I still don't think the flag in SM3 needs to be discussed...it's been in all three movies...get over it.

 

[FatA$$]

Because I proudly display both the American and Cuban flags at my house and you did that fake post on how other countries flags shouldn't be on display in this country.

ok then thats understandable just like the post above mine.

 

[Papa Burgundy]

wow...it looks like this thread will be closed soon. its gonna turn into one big race war and people will get banned.

 

[Man-E-Toys]

wow...it looks like this thread will be closed soon. its gonna turn into one big race war and people will get banned.

aside from a few posts here and there it's been pretty civil. no one has gone over the edge. this thread does not need closing.

 

[Spider - Man]

Okay, I'm a bit confused by this comment. Could you rephrase it?

There seem to be 3 reasons people on here didn't like the shot:

1) They thought it was cheesy because the flag was so big, because it was cg, whatever. That is their opinion and they're entitled to it. That doesn't reflect any malice or other ill-will. Just a feeling that it's goofy.

2)They thought it was in the wrong place in the film. They thought it should have been in the Spidey day scene. Far as I'm concerned it could have been in the Spidey day scene AND at the end. But that's their opinion and my opinion, neither more valid than the other.

I feel that Americans who don't like the shot fall into one of these two camps. As you said, they didn't like the shot. I said it's for one of these two reasons and not the third which is:

3)a few didn't like the shot merely because you had Spidey and the American flag in the same shot. Spidey+American flag = rubbing it in the faces of the rest of the world that Spidey is American=they feel 'left out'=Raimi had no right to be so selfish= etc, etc, etc. "Spidey had a flag shot in SM1 and that should have been ENOUGH!" is their position.

MY position is that Raimi is the director, he had every right to throw something patriotic in there. You know, we have something going on in this country that the rest of the world are just outsiders to: we are a country divided like never before. And people who love this country usually don't have a platform to speak from to say "Hey, this is still a great country, built on great ideas and principles!" but maybe Sam Raimi realized that he did, and wanted to take just 2 seconds to speak just to the American people and inspire a little national PRIDE (and if you think national pride is 'silly' and you can't understand it, I feel sorry for you because that feeling is one of the greatest in the world and you have surely missed out) to maybe do his own small part to help us heal. And if that makes anyone else feel 'left-out', get over it. It is a comic book movie. It won't make or break the rest of your life.

I'm not defending a movie or whether the shot was cheesy or not, but what I perceived to be cowardly, backhanded slurs against my flag and therefore my country during a time when I hear too much of that anyway. Let's just say this was the last straw and I had to say something.

As far as the first 2 reasons for not liking the shot, I have no problem with anyone for those. Ithought I had said all this before but perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough. I hope I have now.

Well, I wasn't actually addressing you in particular. I couldn't remember which users it was - my post was meant to be more generalized at this point onward. I noticed that a couple of posters had been making comments that indicated to me that they were already jumping to the conclusion that the criticisms of the shot reflected a general anti-American bias, which isn't the case.

read this comment by fg:
The question is; what purpose did it serve? The answer is; none, other than to annoy the rest of the world (y'know all that stuff that isn't in America).

see how he italicized 'the rest of the world'. See how he felt it necessary to add in 'y'know, all that stuff that isn't in America'.

Sounds to me like he has a problem with America and the inclusion of a shot in a Spider-man movie (an American character) that glorifies America or associates one of its icons with its flag. If it doesn't to you then there isn't much more I can say as we have no common ground to speak from. Other posters like buttman come right out and say "I felt left out. You Americans are so selfish with Spider-man." I mean, come on! Is this guys entire life based on whether or not he can maintain the illusion that Spider-man isn't American? As long as Spidey isn't shown in front af an American flag, "we're" not being "selfish" with him? His post wasn't really inflammatory, just kinda sad (I truly hope the guy is just a KID!).

Again, I wasn't being specific to you when I wrote that part, so sorry if you interpreted it that way. A few other posters had been making comments that I was trying to address. Anyway, I don't really know if America is the most hated nation on Earth, so much as the Bush administration being one of the most hated governments on Earth (I believe that much of the sentiment is towards Bush and the government's way of dealing internationally.). Even if were truly anti-American sentiment - as in, the hate is for American people in general, not just the government (It's usually the government in my experiences.) - it is not alone in the world for being a nation targeted by hatred. Israel is in the same boat.

You know, I ALMOST included that in my earlier post to support my claim. Isreal IS hated by all the Islamic middle east countries that surround her, but we are hated by all of those as well, in addition to people of many other countries.

I'm not defending this Fried Gold guy at all. I'm just addressing general comments I've seen while going through the thread, and trying to point out that the majority of unfavorable opinion about the flag scene doesn't seem to be motivated by anti-American attitude. Just in case someone takes it all to heart and begins spewing anti-everywhere else comments. We already had one foolish comment by a Canadian poster result in a retaliatory insult towards Canadians a few pages back, and I'd rather people cooled down before it escalates into that again.
If there are a few who don't like Americans, that's their problem, and you'd have to question why they're even on a board that's probably predominantly American. Most people who develop such a dislike of Americans are probably affected by two things - disliking the American government, and the confrontational and arrogant nature of the few overly vocal American fanatics who believe they're superior to everyone else. Unfortunately, those few people end up representing Americans in general in some people's mind, and that's probably where most of the attitude comes from.

yeah, the anti-Canadian remark was uncalled for. But regardless the reason for the anti-American sentiment, the fact is that it is there and because of it, Americans need to put aside their own personal differences for now and stand together against those who speak out against us as a whole. And if fg's problem with America has to do with Bush, well, his pm followed Bush right into Iraq so why does he hate America? Because "we" LED THEM into war?

And if someone DOES have a problem with America or our flag, I'd have more respect for them if they came right out and said it rather than making smarmy little remarks trying to be the spokesperson for the 'rest of the world' that they can later try to say they never said. I'd still have issue with them but would at least respect that they displayed a little courage in saying how they felt.

Anyway, hope that clears it up for you.

 

[Spider - Man]

BELM!

Wow, that's so...7 years old! This explains a lot!

Here, I'll let me down for you....

you'll 'let youself down for me'? Well...thanks for saving me the trouble, I guess.

America / England
Cookie = Biscuit
Cookie = Cookie

I'm sorry if it confuses you that we have both.

It doesn't confuse me that you have both. Not that anyone could make sense of the 'America/England' thing you have up there but let me clear it up for you: you have both SO IN SOME CASES what we call a cookie in America you call a biscuit in England which makes my earlier statement true.

If you would like any other multi-culteral differences explaining, I'm more than happy to do so.

And by the way, it's 'cultural'. That's spelled c-u-l-t-u-r-a-l. If you need any more spelling corrections, I'll be happy to provide them!

 

[Spider - Man]

You're reading far too much into that remark. I was being facetious and you know it, unless you actually believe that I think a single shot of the American flag in a Spider-Man is enough to annoy the THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!!! lOllozz!111

No, you were dead serious and only NOW that you realize that everyone can see how you truly feel do you try and say "Hey, I didn't really mean it. I was being FACETIOUS!" like the little weasel that you are! Belm to you, suckfish.