Why Are So Many People Fearing The Trilogy Curse??

[ghost_x]

Rodriguez's Mexico trilogy is an example of three films with an almost entirely different cast and was good.

 

[Cmill216]

Bet you can't name that many directors that have made it far without college.

Steven Soderbergh, Robert Rodriguez, Quentin Tarantino, Richard Linklater, Spike Jonze, Robert Altman, James Cameron.

None attended a film school. And Steven Spielberg was rejected by both UCLA and USC.

 

[Tempest19]

/\ Yeah, there are exceptions to that... which is why I said typically.

Just to use as an example, people have been shouting possible X3:

I've heard people shouting X3, for example... but one major point to understand is that X3 didn't have Bryan Singer attached. Despite some fans despising SR. Singer made X-Men films what they were, thus they lost their certain "charm" and "tone" when he left the project.

Here Raimi has been involved all the way.

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Yeah, I know there are obviously some... but, the point is can you name more successful director's that made it that didn't go to college? Or can you name more that did? I'm almost positive that ratio wise more successful directors that have made it have went to college than didn't.... which was really the point that I was trying to make by that comment. But, needed to be more clear. Without- you run a fine risk. With- you have more chances and more possibilities open up to you especially with internship availabilities to job prospects.

One is taking a risk, the other is playing it safe. And I personally don't know who can argue with that. Even though originally, I was also going to try to make it on my own esteem.

When seeking a job from Fox television, for example, do you think they will take the guy with experience and with a degree? Or a guy with experience and without a degree?

I'm pretty sure today, especially in the states probably, the number of people looking to get into the biz has multiplied ten-fold making it harder to get in than it once was. Thus, any advantage that you have over the contender is one worth earning.

 

[ghost_x]

Kevin Smith, David Fincher, Peter Jackson...oh and we are in a Spiderman board so lets add Raimi to the list

I didn't actually want to bring this up again, but cmill216 missed some

 

[RagingTempest]

Not really fearing for SM3!!! The film looks great so far like the others, the only worry I have is we're seeing too much footage from the film, which I how doesn't take away from the surprises we're waiting to see in theaters!! No one should compare this series to X-men since X3 had completely different directors, writers, and staff!!! I have respect for Raimi that he decided to finish his series off, instead someone like Singer waiting to long to do X3!!! I just hope they pull off Venom on the big screen and not completely butcher the saga like Dark Phoenix in X3!!!

 

[ghost_x]

I think Ratner changed the Phoenix saga for the best, I couldn't imagine what X3 would have been like had they taken Singers realistic X-men vision and in the next film of the series they bring in all these sci-fi space elements. It wouldn't work...not that X3 worked too well as it is

 

[Eggyman]

Not really fearing for SM3!!! The film looks great so far like the others, the only worry I have is we're seeing too much footage from the film, which I how doesn't take away from the surprises we're waiting to see in theaters!! No one should compare this series to X-men since X3 had completely different directors, writers, and staff!!! I have respect for Raimi that he decided to finish his series off, instead someone like Singer waiting to long to do X3!!! I just hope they pull off Venom on the big screen and not completely butcher the saga like Dark Phoenix in X3!!!

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[Tempest19]

/\ Singer, I heard, had Sentenils (srry for the horrible spelling) and Gambit! Fin.

 

[ghost_x]

So did Ratner, well done

 

[Eggyman]

Yay, you two are back -- I could listen to you two for hours . . . *looks at watch* . . . I have listened to you for hours.

 

[Tempest19]

No, I mean actually USING the sentinels OUTSIDE of the training excercise. The head was just to have fanboys shut up about it. And you can't say that's not true because if they actually did want to use them- we would have actually seen actual sentinels.

And Ratner didn't have Gambit.

 

[Spade]

To put things in perspective, the symbiote comes from space and is a completely unnatural twist to the plot if you know nothing about Spider-Man. So to say X-Men couldn't have made the Dark Phoenix Saga work with the angle Singer was going at isn't entirely accurate given that SM3 and FF2 are branching out past terrestrial foes to show in their films.

 

[Tempest19]

I think he meant more, Batman Begins sequel getting Killer Croc type "left field"

- Don't know a Bats villain that is more sci-fi than that...

 

[ghost_x]

The symbiote is a plot device that will never be explained in the movie and won't be explored anymore than it's affect on the characters. Whereas the inclusion of such 'out there' stories as the Mkrann crystal, the Shiar and eventually you get characters like Uatu, and than the kree and skrulls. It's too much to simply make the transition from that sense of realism that Singer's X-men had to this.

 

[ghost_x]

I think he meant more, Batman Begins sequel getting Killer Croc type "left field"

- Don't know a Bats villain that is more sci-fi than that...

Right, a character like the 2nd clayface would never make it into Nolan's films.

 

[Tempest19]

Well, they explain it:

- It comes from outer space
- It has a mind of it's own, making it its own symbiotic being
- Its like a poison that infects the personality as well as the look

So don't exactly know what you meant by that...? Unless you meant getting into the finer details...

 

[ghost_x]

All 3 of those points can potentially be explained in a matter of minutes.

- The meteor strikes the symbiote goes on peters shoe, fairly short and easy enough

- Both your next points can be explained in the scene by Conners all within a few lines of dialogue.

So why didn't Raimi go the real route of the symbiote, with the secret wars?

 

[Secret_Riddle]

In all honesty, at this stage of promotion, i think that spider-man 2 "Looked" better then how spider-man 3 looks, its wierd maybe its because there was more variation of footage, and the trailers were better. I think spider-man 3 will be the better movie though..im just tired of seeing spidey hanging in a black suit while he goes "the suit, it feels good, the power" and all that in every single piece of promotion.

 

[Tempest19]

Yeah, well you've gotta hold things back. As Bay said regarding Transformers, it's a smart idea to hold all of this other footage back. Make it "new" for the audience members. Also, this might be why we have never seen an up close shot of Venom yet- similarly to how Bay says we will not see the robots for Transformers until the film itself. Just a way to promote and frankly, I think that's better than showing most of the footage available.

I mean, look at POTC- I'm betting you that ship battle is going to be their finale and to me... I didn't want to see that until the film and they gave the majority of that footage away already. What's new?

And ghostx you're right, I just didn't understand to what degree you were talking about before.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

Well, the good thing is, after your review of the novel, as well as the general story, which is known at this point, spider-man 3 sounds and reads better then the last 2, so its probably a good thing that the trailers havent wowed me as much as they did for 2, this way im more likely to go into 3 and be blown away.

 

[Tempest19]

What did you think of the Venom trailer?

 

[Spade]

My one complaint about the recent trailer is that they showed a bit too much of the transformation for the general audience, but other than that I'm personally happy. The transformation is one of those "wow" moments that get people interested in seeing the movie, and I think much more people who don't know every detail about the symbiote will go for the much more recognizable element that is Venom.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

Is that the latest trailer?

I was sort of mixed on that one, its kind of hard to explain but me and my friend both felt the same way. The footage is awesom, great action and it really does look like they are going all out on this one, but the editing of the trailer was kind of wierd...it almost seemed fan made, but i mean i loved how they are playing venom off..and i like how they are saving a good shot of him for the actual film.

You know what i think my apprehension is ? i think its just pre release jitters, Spider-man 2 is my favourite movie, and the last time i was this excited for a sequal was x-men 3 (i love x2) and we all know how x3 turned out.

So i dont know, I know spider-man 3 will be amazing, but i think im sort of subconciously lowering my expectations just in case its not.

Sounds sort of dumb especially since ive been one of the movies most optimistic supporters on these boards, but i dont know, im still insanely loyal to spider-man 3, more so then any film coming out this year, and i think it will end up dethroning 2.

I guess one thing i can say is the trailers almost make the movie look like it relies on action more so then the other 2, in 2 action was a bonus, but in 3 it seems like its the main feature, but then again weve probably only seen a total of 11 minutes of footage from a 2 and a half hour movie, so im at no place to judge yet, ill just remain faithful to Raimi, because he hasnt dissapointed me yet.

I have a question for you though temptest. You know how in 2 the movie's heart surrounded Peter's mess of a life, and his quest to get M.J? It was really emotional and it made the movie seem like more then just spider-man. In your opinion does 3 have that same feeling? Like i mean, does it seem like more than just action?

 

[Eggyman]

Is that the latest trailer?

I was sort of mixed on that one, its kind of hard to explain but me and my friend both felt the same way. The footage is awesom, great action and it really does look like they are going all out on this one, but the editing of the trailer was kind of wierd...it almost seemed fan made, but i mean i loved how they are playing venom off..and i like how they are saving a good shot of him for the actual film.

You know what i think my apprehension is ? i think its just pre release jitters, Spider-man 2 is my favourite movie, and the last time i was this excited for a sequal was x-men 3 (i love x2) and we all know how x3 turned out.

So i dont know, I know spider-man 3 will be amazing, but i think im sort of subconciously lowering my expectations just in case its not.

Sounds sort of dumb especially since ive been one of the movies most optimistic supporters on these boards, but i dont know, im still insanely loyal to spider-man 3, more so then any film coming out this year, and i think it will end up dethroning 2.

I guess one thing i can say is the trailers almost make the movie look like it relies on action more so then the other 2, in 2 action was a bonus, but in 3 it seems like its the main feature, but then again weve probably only seen a total of 11 minutes of footage from a 2 and a half hour movie, so im at no place to judge yet, ill just remain faithful to Raimi, because he hasnt dissapointed me yet.

I have a question for you though temptest. You know how in 2 the movie's heart surrounded Peter's mess of a life, and his quest to get M.J? It was really emotional and it made the movie seem like more then just spider-man. In your opinion does 3 have that same feeling? Like i mean, does it seem like more than just action?

It's so strange that you say that, because the other day I was talking to a friend of mine about Spidey 3, and he was saying how he isn't a big fan but thought number 2 was a great film -- he actually said number 2 would have been a good film without Spidey in it or without the film being even called Spider-Man . . . the emotional integrity of that film is awesome. It goes against so many beliefs that super hero films are just popcorn action romps, and I don't believe for one minute that Raimi would side-line this kind of class just because 3 villains means more action.

 

[Solidus]

All 3 of those points can potentially be explained in a matter of minutes.

- The meteor strikes the symbiote goes on peters shoe, fairly short and easy enough

- Both your next points can be explained in the scene by Conners all within a few lines of dialogue.

So why didn't Raimi go the real route of the symbiote, with the secret wars?

Because the secret wars was stupid, and unrealistic to the confines that Sam likes to make his movies. Yes there are stretches in his, but the Secret Wars when they first came out, even I thought they were just, stupid is the best way I can articulate them. The symbiote story is one of my favorites. Yet I never liked the original origin of it from ASM/Secret Wars. I thought they were just too far of a stretch.

And for the movies, to go from 1-2 then jump into outer space fighting an galatic war? Don't know if your joking or not, but Sam was the wisest to completely stay away from the Secret Wars story, it was horrible, and would of not fit in with the movies at all. I can't believe some are actually saying that. Hope you were joking.